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05-19-2013 12:25 PM
devilrmk I got my stuff from a self serve yard here. Not sure if you have any of those in your area. Around here its the best choice for older rigs like that. The normal yards don't carry older stuff. Get the ax15 from the same rig as the bellhousing. 92 and newer v6 dakota. Dime a dozen around here. If ya haven't already sourced a t-case get it from same rig as trans and bell.
05-18-2013 10:07 PM
Hallitzer I'm having trouble finding all the parts i need. I've been watching Craigslist a lot and called a few salvage yards. Any pointers you guys have on locating parts. I need an ax15 and dakota bellhousing among other things. I've finally got the money together to get this going but nothing besides my donor vehicle...
04-30-2013 01:04 PM
RedSoCalYJ My 2.5 just died on me a couple days ago so I will be following this. You've got me interested.
04-29-2013 08:25 AM
Hallitzer Awesome. A lot of helpful links there. I'll be starting in a few weeks when the spring weather gives way to summer. Definitely looking forward to this project.
04-28-2013 04:25 PM
devilrmk Heres my links. Some will be relevant, some won't.

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=202008

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/m...today-1197236/

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/p...86/index3.html

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/dodge...100-build.html
04-25-2013 07:34 PM
devilrmk Feel free to pm me or post up here or whatever. I am on here a few times a day most days. Subscribed to your thread so i will see if you post.
04-25-2013 03:08 PM
kywaterman Looking forward to seeing it Hallitzer, keep us posted, build threads are by far my favorite threads to read on here.
04-25-2013 08:59 AM
Hallitzer Awesome. I just bought my donor vehicle, it is the 97 grand cherokee with the 5.2L. I'm going to start searching and gathering the rest of the parts before I get started. Thanks for all the help guys, once I start the swap I'll post some pics and progress of build. All the swaps listed on here have helped me a ton so I'll return the favor. I may be hitting you up for more info devilrmk. Here we go!
04-19-2013 08:16 PM
devilrmk Also need flywheel and clutch from a v8 truck. And hydraulics from a 95 yj.
04-19-2013 08:15 PM
devilrmk Just get an ax15, bellhousing and t-case from a dakota. Thats what i did. Was simple that way. T-case is same one as yours except with the correct input.
Manifold from a durango. The trucks(dakota and ram) drivers side extend too far back and will be against firewall. Durango is short.
04-19-2013 02:52 PM
Hallitzer Ok, I think I'm about to start gathering parts. devilrmk you sure are encouraging and I really hope it ends up going as easy as yours. So far this is what I'm thinking I've got to gather, so feel free to help me out with others:

  • Engine (5.2L from 1997 grand cherokee donor)
  • Tranny (AX15 or NV3550, whatever I find first)
  • driveshafts (keeping stock)
  • Bellhousing and driver side manifold (find one off dodge dakota)
  • Radiator (Novak or Summit)
  • Engine Mounts (Novak or custom)
  • Axles (keep front, ford 8.8 or D44 rear)
  • Computer & diagnostics from donor.
Thats my rough list so far. I don't know what I need to do about the transfer case though? Also, I just put a 3" suspension lift on it, will I have to weld brackets to new rear axle in order to keep it? Thanks for all the help guys, nice to have all the encouragement and experience.
04-19-2013 01:22 AM
devilrmk Slip yoke is the same.
04-18-2013 11:25 PM
kywaterman On wanting to reuse your drive shaft Idk if this is or not but would be something to look into, are the slip yokes the same for the ax5 and ax15, as in will they cross over? because the input shafts on the transfers are different from one to the other, ax5- 21 spline vs. ax 15- 23 spline? someone correct me if Im wrong
04-18-2013 12:23 PM
devilrmk Get your ducks in a row and dive in. Its not bad if ya do some research.
04-18-2013 12:22 PM
devilrmk If you have a friend that can weld you can change your motor mounts to $5. Really simple to make a set from some flat bar. I can post a pic of mine.

Headers, i wouldnt. I have one side gc manifold, other side is durango. Fit fine.

I think the auto trans is longer and will force you to get driveshafts. One more selling point for ax15.

$800 is pretty accurate for misc. Considering flywheel and clutch will run ya $250ish then clutch hydraulics another $150 of course you can junkyard some of that and save $.

That auto trans is worth $300 around here. I got my ax15 and t-case combo for $125 at self serve yard.

My jeep was down 3 weeks and i didnt put that much time into it in those 3 weeks.
04-18-2013 11:36 AM
Hallitzer
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I just did my swap 2 months ago so its all fresh in memory. I used a 93 gc engine, bellhousing, ax15 and t-case from a dakota(if you already have an ax15 just get a bellhousing.
If you are switching to the ax15 you will need a different drivers side exhaust manifold. If staying with the auto it can all just be left as is.
I got all the info you need, will share this way or pm or whatever. Just do it. Dive in. Its really not that tough.

I stuffed my engine back about 2" farther than needed so i had to do driveshafts but i needed to anyway so thats why i chose to. You can place it in the correct spot for your driveshafts no problem. I have about 10" between radiator and water pump(electric fan)

Radiator will need to be changed, neither will work. I used an aluminum one from summit racing that cost me $140. Just had to fab brackets.
That's pretty much what I expected and even hoped to hear. I would like to do the engine swap, keep my stock driveshafts and axles until I'm ready for stage 2 (8.8 and maybe sye), that way it's not a huge hit financially all at once. It's got the AX5 right now, which definitely won't work, so I'll either keep the auto that's on the donor or bolt on an AX15. I don't have a lot of mechanical knowledge, just enough to get me in over my head, but I've got a good mechanic who helps me a lot. I'm getting close to diving in, but dread the thought of my jeep sitting in garage for months on end while I deal with all the unexpected and pour more $ into it than anticipated. Seems as though everybody who has done a swap says it was PITA but well worth it after all said and done.
Parts list I've put together so far:
  • 5.2L from donor $0 to $500 depending on difference
  • Motor mounts $230.00
  • Headers $300 - most likely needed
  • Radiator $200
  • AX15 Tranny $200 - optional
  • Misc Parts $800 - junk yard and unexpected
  • Labor help $2000 - generous
So essentially I'm planning a $4k project swap and definitely don't want to spend more than that (whole jeep cost me $4500).

(and yes mudd it is frame damaged, which is why i can get it on the cheap)
04-18-2013 09:57 AM
AllMudd
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After reading the two discussions about this, if I had the time and funds to swap my 2.5l with a 350 or even the 5.2l I would. 2.5 works good around town sucks on the hgwy and when I want that extra lets Go! It's not there.
(And dummy me didn't read the discussion before my first post about the GC being a donor SMH!)
04-18-2013 09:56 AM
AllMudd After reading the two discussions about this, if I had the time and funds to swap my 2.5l with a 350 or even the 5.2l I would. 2.5 works good around town sucks on the hgwy and when I want that extra lets Go! It's not there.
04-18-2013 09:36 AM
AllMudd Is that reared damage I see in the picture? If so I would make sure it wasn't in an accident and u have frame issues that need to be fixed. I to have heard that the Dakota housing works with the AX15 but not sure what all you can bolt up to it. Keep in mind to the longer u make driveline (engine/trans/xnsfr) you will have to shorten your rear drive shaft and lengthen your front.
04-18-2013 09:32 AM
devilrmk I just did my swap 2 months ago so its all fresh in memory. I used a 93 gc engine, bellhousing, ax15 and t-case from a dakota(if you already have an ax15 just get a bellhousing.
If you are switching to the ax15 you will need a different drivers side exhaust manifold. If staying with the auto it can all just be left as is.
I got all the info you need, will share this way or pm or whatever. Just do it. Dive in. Its really not that tough.

I stuffed my engine back about 2" farther than needed so i had to do driveshafts but i needed to anyway so thats why i chose to. You can place it in the correct spot for your driveshafts no problem. I have about 10" between radiator and water pump(electric fan)

Radiator will need to be changed, neither will work. I used an aluminum one from summit racing that cost me $140. Just had to fab brackets.
04-18-2013 09:17 AM
Hallitzer I posted this on Xpress's build thread as well, but looking for some answers. The cherokee I'm looking at has good engine and I can part out the rest of cherokee and end up breaking even or better, especially after selling my 2.5L. I'm just having trouble figuring out what all I can actually use off of it. I know I can buy motor mounts and get the 5.2L in just fine, but I don't know if the 46RH 4-speed will work, if the manifolds will work, or if the radiator will work? I'd like to be able to swap an AX-15 in to keep a manual, but not sure if that can bolt on, read a little bit about dodge dakota bell housing possibly working, but nothing for sure? I'm also not sure if the motor can be positioned so I don't have to get new driveshafts either? I'd like to go ahead and buy this cherokee because it's a hard to find deal, but don't want to find it's better to go another direction and end up having to try and sell. Obviously I've still got a ton of questions to wade through before I get too much farther. Anybody know or have experience on that?
04-17-2013 05:48 PM
Scooby88 Reading this thread brings back memories. Dive in Bro!!

Here's my SBC/YJ build.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f8/93-y...ld-183485.html
04-17-2013 10:09 AM
Xpress Find a donor. Reasons being are if it runs and drives right, you know that if you have an issue when you transplant it into your Jeep and it doesn't run right, you know it's something you did, which can help narrow things down.

Also they usually include all of the emissions stuff (it is a Federal crime to remove these components, and highly frowned upon here on this forum ), wiring harness, computer, so on and so forth. That is why I am looking for a donor that runs, drives, and passes smog.
04-17-2013 08:42 AM
Hallitzer Well played Dirttracker! I'm definitely torn on what to do. I think I've narrowed the search down to 2 engines, the 5.2L or a chevy small block. Seems as though members of this site have done both and been happy with both. I thought buying that 97 cherokee with the 5.2L would make things easier having whole vehicle, especially with price being good. My mechanic told me to hold out for a SBC because they are easier to deal with. Pricewise it seems as though I can do the whole project for around $3,000 either way, so I'm cautiously moving forward trying to find me an engine or a donor now.
04-16-2013 11:23 AM
Dirttracker18
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Originally Posted by Hallitzer View Post
but engine is great and has $100k on it. I can probably get it for $1000 or less
I think if the engine has $100 000 on it and you can buy the jeep for less then a $1000 you are going to be $99 000 ahead. Grab it quick before he spots the money on the engine!

Just kiddin ya of course
04-16-2013 10:20 AM
devilrmk Oh and the 97 should have a 46re not a rh.
04-16-2013 09:23 AM
devilrmk Not sure on the rear axle but the front is low pinion. You dont want it, t-case will be a 249 probably, again you dont want it.

Parts needed. Drivers side exhaust manifold from a durango(jeep one wont clear starter), or block hugger headers, v6 dakota bellhousing, clutch hydraulics from a 95 wrangler, clutch and flywheel from a V8 ram, might have to source a different computer. Not sure about the obd2 stuff but the gc had security on the obd1. Pcm had to be from truck or van.
Pilot bearing adapter from dealer.

I know there is a couple more things but thats all i can think of at the moment.
Do some searching, i found all my info on the web from searching. Only thing i had to find out myself was the clutch slave. Dakota one is too big, doesnt give full engagement with wrangler master.
04-16-2013 08:21 AM
Hallitzer I have found a really good deal on a 1997 Grand Cherokee with the 5.2L and 46RH 4 speed auto. vehicle was rear ended and has frame damage, but engine is great and has $100k on it. I can probably get it for $1000 or less and then sell parts to come out even better. I just need to know what else I'll have to track down for the conversion. I don't think I want to use the auto, that would be a little strange for me in a jeep, so I'll probably look around for an AX15. Can I use the axles or anything else off the jeep cherokee? I would think sharing parts would be somewhat easier off a cherokee because it's a bit a sister to the wrangler. Thoughts?
04-14-2013 08:46 AM
devilrmk No offense taken or intended. I was just trying to point out that there might be an easier cheaper way to do it. You guys are talking about spending more on a motor swap than i have into my entire jeep.
Newer chevy stuff must be drivers drop? I know older wasnt.
04-14-2013 02:09 AM
kywaterman I wasnt trying to offened you I was simply supporting my reasoning. And Fyi a chevy dosnt have passenger side drop. Its driver. the 241 is stouter that than the 231 and has just as much aftermarket support. sye and such. To each his own the 5.2 swaps are just as cool as the 350, the chevy way is just the way I myself plan on doing it.
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