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05-21-2013 12:48 AM
mr.gladiator No bueno! I may have already asked you this, but did you install a sye?
05-20-2013 06:12 PM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
What's the "ford racing install kit"?
It's the OEM Ford master install kit. Which I do not recommend because it is meant for a Mustang 8.8 and comes with the wrong size wheel bearings.
05-20-2013 04:34 PM
mr.gladiator
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Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
Got my 8.8 for 125$ after tax and other fees. My parts list:

Attachment 245913

What's the "ford racing install kit"?
05-06-2013 02:52 PM
freeskier Got my 8.8 for 125$ after tax and other fees. My parts list:

Attachment 245913
05-06-2013 02:35 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
That's pretty kick ass how you did that parts sheet. Now... as far as setting the pinion angle i'm not sure how hard or easy that's going to be for me. I understand the geometry. But I have no idea what kind of lift is installed in my jeep, cause i got it the way it sits pretty much. So I'm not sure if it's adjustable or not.
I wish I could find the 8.8 I want for that cheap! cheapest 8.8 i've found in my area is like 250
I can get them for just under 150 after sales tax. It's 125+. But I got mine from my brother after I helped him pull it. Then he didn't use it.
05-06-2013 02:22 PM
mr.gladiator That's pretty kick ass how you did that parts sheet. Now... as far as setting the pinion angle i'm not sure how hard or easy that's going to be for me. I understand the geometry. But I have no idea what kind of lift is installed in my jeep, cause i got it the way it sits pretty much. So I'm not sure if it's adjustable or not.
I wish I could find the 8.8 I want for that cheap! cheapest 8.8 i've found in my area is like 250
05-02-2013 05:02 PM
GoldenSahara00 My 8.8 build, with all new brakes, artec truss (30% of the cost), new diff cover, new DS, sye, cross member and tummy tuck skid plate (I made both) along with a new d30 with matching gear ratio, and probably a few little parts I am forgetting, is going to cost me a little over 1100. That' s just me. It should have cost almost 1700, if you were buying the skid plate yourself add a few hundred more. A tom woods shaft, add 125+. a SS sye, add another hundred. adjustable JJ control arms? 300- 1K depending what you get. at least 300 if you can't set your pinion angle. etc. You can easily hit 2, 3, even 4k on this kind of stuff. I kept mine short and sweet because it will probably get upgraded, replaced, etc, and I like to do a lot of my own work and spend less money.

PS. yes my parents are covering my exhaust, it needed replaced when I bought it and they offered to do it. I told them wait til I was done with these mods I take what I can get. I paid for the jeep and all the parts myself, other than my first set of tires.

The 8.8 can be done for, say 600 ish by itself, conservatively. Axle, all new brakes, flange adapter, new fluid, RTV, and mad4x4 brackets.

05-02-2013 03:43 PM
mr.gladiator The cheapest I found a d44 was like $800, and it wasn't even the gear ratio i wanted. The way I look at it (unless a smoking CL deal comes along), I could put in the 8.8 with other upgrades for the same amount I can put a plain jane d44 in it. But I have been searching everywhere I possibly can in my free time. my dad raised me as a penny pincher, so i know to look out for stuff. Also my boss knows everyone in this valley and he's been trying to help me find an axle too. When i do this, i definitely want it to be right. lol.
04-25-2013 02:16 PM
GoldenSahara00 Never see d44s around here.

Ford 8.8 was 75 bucks. The expensive part is building it how you want.
04-25-2013 09:16 AM
beaureed445 I've been looking for D44's for a while now (probably 6 months). I keep my eye on CL, as well as other sources, but I think I'm just going to pull the trigger on G2. I've found a couple that could've been picked up in the $900- $1300 range, BUT, by the time I regear, lock, and add disks, I'm right up there with the price of a new one.
04-25-2013 09:01 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by geiman View Post
That's a darn good deal; the best deal I found over about two years of looking was an empty housing from an LJ. The junkyard wanted almost $900 just for the housing; no ends, shafts, carrier, etc.
I've had access to new empty housings from the dealer for less than that for awhile.
04-25-2013 06:30 AM
geiman
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post

I don't have one at the moment, but I have bought, sold, and traded bolt in Dana 44's that were stock with and without rear discs for an average price of 900 bucks drum to drum or disc to disc. That 900 means I bought some cheaper and some more expensive.
That's a darn good deal; the best deal I found over about two years of looking was an empty housing from an LJ. The junkyard wanted almost $900 just for the housing; no ends, shafts, carrier, etc.
04-24-2013 09:17 PM
98 tj sport
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Originally Posted by equinedanielle View Post

Here too... been looking for a rear Dana 44 used and nothing. I ordered one for $2100, and a week later a set of front and rear 44s showed up on craigslist for $500. I cried for a day straight.

I guess my point is, check on craigslist etc. Even the uhaul trailer rental and a few tanks of gas to save a substantial amount of money could be worth it.
This is true, when I was looking at axle swaps I hunted and hunted for a 44 and the cheapest I could find was a bone stock one out of a junkyard and it was going to cost me 1k, I had started reasearching the 8.8 and was about to pull the trigger on it cuz I had figured I could build one with a locker for about the same as the 44 was going to cost me, sure it would be a little more work but I would have a locker, well about a week before I was going to pull the trigger and order my artex truss and go grab a 8.8 and start cleaning it, I stumbled upon a 44 out of a tj that already had a grizzly locker in it on craigslist, granted I had to make a 4hr round trip to get it but I ended up getting it for 700 so all in all I was pretty happy.
04-24-2013 09:10 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
Okay, well that makes sense now. I chose the 8.8 because it's what most people recommended. And around here, d44 are expensive. I appreciate your insight in this though. I haven't looked real hard for an 8.8, but tonight I'm going to sit down and crunch some numbers. Cause I'm on a TIGHT budget.

Yes, well I know that a lot of folks recommend them. I also know that the same folks tend to embellish the savings and totally discount the time not just in the install, but chasing down all the parts needed.

I don't have one at the moment, but I have bought, sold, and traded bolt in Dana 44's that were stock with and without rear discs for an average price of 900 bucks drum to drum or disc to disc. That 900 means I bought some cheaper and some more expensive.
04-24-2013 09:05 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by equinedanielle View Post

Here too... been looking for a rear Dana 44 used and nothing. I ordered one for $2100, and a week later a set of front and rear 44s showed up on craigslist for $500. I cried for a day straight.

I guess my point is, check on craigslist etc. Even the uhaul trailer rental and a few tanks of gas to save a substantial amount of money could be worth it.
That's an unreal deal if they were useable/working Tj d44s!
04-24-2013 07:54 PM
equinedanielle
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
Okay, well that makes sense now. I chose the 8.8 because it's what most people recommended. And around here, d44 are expensive. I appreciate your insight in this though. I haven't looked real hard for an 8.8, but tonight I'm going to sit down and crunch some numbers. Cause I'm on a TIGHT budget.
Here too... been looking for a rear Dana 44 used and nothing. I ordered one for $2100, and a week later a set of front and rear 44s showed up on craigslist for $500. I cried for a day straight.

I guess my point is, check on craigslist etc. Even the uhaul trailer rental and a few tanks of gas to save a substantial amount of money could be worth it.
04-24-2013 06:44 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by geiman View Post
If I were to do things over again, I'm not sure what route I'd go down. The east coast isn't flush with bolt-in D44 rear ends (at least not in my neck of the woods), so finding something that will bolt-in as cheap as an 8.8 wasn't easy for me. I looked for a few years and eventually went the 8.8 route.
That was my issue. I am going to be able to do a lot of extra stuff and still save money over a d44 at the prices we see in our area. I wish I lived on the west coast, much better market for used aftermarket/stock parts there. Plus I have a platform to build my tri-4 link off of with the artec and 8.8, versus the stock bracketry on a 44. The 44 is definitely a good axle to swap in, and I would have done it if possible.

OP if you can find a reasonably priced d44, do it. The 8.8 is a good swap, and both axles have their perks. Just make sure you know what your doing, basically. It does seem like your trying to do your research, so good on you.
04-24-2013 06:34 PM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by geiman View Post
He was making an analogy about the argument.

If 35s are all you ever plan on running, a D44 would certainly be more attractive than an 8.8. I'd take a D44 for the ground clearance all day long. A shaved 9" could also be attractive in this regard, but I'm not sure if the price would make it worth the effort; only you can decide that.

If I were to do things over again, I'm not sure what route I'd go down. The east coast isn't flush with bolt-in D44 rear ends (at least not in my neck of the woods), so finding something that will bolt-in as cheap as an 8.8 wasn't easy for me. I looked for a few years and eventually went the 8.8 route.

At the end of the day, any of the axles you're looking at can easily handle 35s. Look at your wheeling style and your budget and see which would be the best for you. If I were to stay on 35s forever, I'd probably do something about the ground clearance on the 8.8. I still drag mine a good bit albeit not nearly as bad as when I was on 33s. That being said, I don't know that I could get anything slung under the Jeep for as cheap as I could an 8.8 around here, so that was my motivation. I know this axle is only temporary until I move onto bigger and better things, so for now it does just fine.
I completely agree with this.

I'm the kind of person though who likes to build (I am after all in engineering) so the work required didn't phase me. I found it somewhat enjoyable and a great learning experience. At the end of the day it works for my current needs.

If I had to do it over again, with the knowledge and experience I have know, I would probably go with a 9". Work required is virtually the same as an 8.8, though if your not careful you can easily sink a lot of money into a 9".
04-24-2013 05:37 PM
jasongind Just make sure you don't rush it and have the funds to build it right the first time. Last thing you want to do is dump cash into an axle that was built half ass'd and have to redo it. I've seen it done a number of times.
04-24-2013 05:28 PM
mr.gladiator Okay, well that makes sense now. I chose the 8.8 because it's what most people recommended. And around here, d44 are expensive. I appreciate your insight in this though. I haven't looked real hard for an 8.8, but tonight I'm going to sit down and crunch some numbers. Cause I'm on a TIGHT budget.
04-23-2013 09:49 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
Honestly you're not even making sense now. They have the same bolt pattern. You seem so set on the idea that the d44 is a better axle. Why?
The Dana 44 is better for many reasons.
Direct bolt in.
More economical.
Better clearance.
No need to weld the tubes to the housing.
It is the correct width already.
Pinion yokes are arguably better than companion flanges. (I have both)


My point was that a lot of folks will pick a certain set of attributes to make their case about a particular situation while ignoring the obvious.

It can be argued that the 8.8 is stronger. That has not been the case around here and was the main reason I was asked to join the development team for the Superior Super 88 product.

At one point in our local folks there were several that ran the 8.8. Not one of them managed a whole season without bent axles. Running same trails side by side with the 44, those with the 44 and stock axles did not have the same bending issue.

Running side by side, the folks with Dana 44's got hung up on the pumpkin far less.
04-23-2013 09:02 AM
geiman
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
Honestly you're not even making sense now. They have the same bolt pattern.
He was making an analogy about the argument.

If 35s are all you ever plan on running, a D44 would certainly be more attractive than an 8.8. I'd take a D44 for the ground clearance all day long. A shaved 9" could also be attractive in this regard, but I'm not sure if the price would make it worth the effort; only you can decide that.

If I were to do things over again, I'm not sure what route I'd go down. The east coast isn't flush with bolt-in D44 rear ends (at least not in my neck of the woods), so finding something that will bolt-in as cheap as an 8.8 wasn't easy for me. I looked for a few years and eventually went the 8.8 route.

At the end of the day, any of the axles you're looking at can easily handle 35s. Look at your wheeling style and your budget and see which would be the best for you. If I were to stay on 35s forever, I'd probably do something about the ground clearance on the 8.8. I still drag mine a good bit albeit not nearly as bad as when I was on 33s. That being said, I don't know that I could get anything slung under the Jeep for as cheap as I could an 8.8 around here, so that was my motivation. I know this axle is only temporary until I move onto bigger and better things, so for now it does just fine.
04-22-2013 06:59 PM
mr.gladiator Honestly you're not even making sense now. They have the same bolt pattern. You seem so set on the idea that the d44 is a better axle. Why?
04-19-2013 11:25 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
I looked around quite a bit, and more people seemed into the 8.8 because it was a better axle then a d44. And I have looked for d44 around my area, but couldn't find any for the right price. I appreciate your opinion, but i have already commited to the 8.8 and bought the artec truss kit.
It is only a "better" axle than a 44 if you use some bizarre criteria to define better.

It is similar to the 5 on 4.5" bolt circle versus 5 on 5.5" bolt circle debate. Is 5 on 5.5 better? Sure it is, larger, greater leverage to hold the rim on, fits over locking hubs easier, easy to find rims for. However, the better question is who actually has had a problem directly attributed to the use of the 5 on 4.5" bolt circle? The answer is no one.

Not picking on you, your mind is already made up, but someone else may be looking and they might want to know the particulars.
04-19-2013 11:03 PM
mr.gladiator
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
Apples to apples, the 8.8 is not a great swap and most that will try to convince you to run one in a TJ don't account for the install time, parts cost, and acquisition cost of the axle itself.

They also neglect to mention that it is a pig of an axle when it comes to ground clearance under the diff.

Don't misinterpret, I have designed some very popular parts for that axle and don't believe that it doesn't work for everyone because it does for some applications, the TJ just isn't one of them.

While I may not own a daily driven 4 cyl TJ, I wouldn't regear to 4:10's for 35's in any of the 6 cylinder rigs I own so I can't imagine what it's like for you. That said, you really need to rethink your gear choice and factor that in.

Were I in your shoes, I'd look for a bolt in Dana 44 from another TJ. They are out there, some are priced decently and that is a swap you can do in a weekend.


I looked around quite a bit, and more people seemed into the 8.8 because it was a better axle then a d44. And I have looked for d44 around my area, but couldn't find any for the right price. I appreciate your opinion, but i have already commited to the 8.8 and bought the artec truss kit.
04-10-2013 09:06 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by mr.gladiator View Post
I'm new here, and I've already asked about a rear axle swap. I was convinced to go with the 8.8 and artec truss kit... Well I'm in the process of saving up funds. This is where I'm confused: I've been researching still about this whole thing... and I'm not sure if I should just go with the 9 inch. Of course, some people say 8.8, some say 9. Well my wrangler has the 4 banger, but eventually i want to swap (thinking 4.3 chevy). And I have 35s, probably wont go bigger. It's my daily driver and weekend warrior. I don't drive like a madman, but i want it to be strong enough to handle heavy throttle situations. I would like a locker or limited slip too. So given those circumstances, what would you fellow jeepers recommend? I work at a shop, so i have access to lifts tools ect, and I'd like to be able to do it on a weekend. I don't have a SYE yet, but will be in the works. So... yeah.
Apples to apples, the 8.8 is not a great swap and most that will try to convince you to run one in a TJ don't account for the install time, parts cost, and acquisition cost of the axle itself.

They also neglect to mention that it is a pig of an axle when it comes to ground clearance under the diff.

Don't misinterpret, I have designed some very popular parts for that axle and don't believe that it doesn't work for everyone because it does for some applications, the TJ just isn't one of them.

While I may not own a daily driven 4 cyl TJ, I wouldn't regear to 4:10's for 35's in any of the 6 cylinder rigs I own so I can't imagine what it's like for you. That said, you really need to rethink your gear choice and factor that in.

Were I in your shoes, I'd look for a bolt in Dana 44 from another TJ. They are out there, some are priced decently and that is a swap you can do in a weekend.
04-10-2013 08:12 AM
mr.gladiator Well knowing you abuse yours with no problems makes me feel better about it now. haha. I'm going to hold out for one with 4.10s because thats what i have stock, and im not sure if my four banger can handle 3.73s. the way it sits right now, 5th gear is for downhill use only.
04-08-2013 09:54 AM
jerryj I did the 8.8 and I am by no means easy on it and have had no issues with it. I have the artec truss also. I have about 800$ into the whole thing including re gearing the front to 3.73 to match the 8.8. I did explode the end of my rear drive shaft and the 8.8 adapter I installed this weekend.
04-08-2013 09:23 AM
mr.gladiator Okay, cool. I think I'm going to stay with the 8.8 then. I heard the 9 has ground clearance issues anyway?
04-05-2013 08:58 PM
larjeep 8.8 best bet. And cheaper. Plenty of kits out there for mounting. Also 8.8 is good to 37" with no prob.
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