|03-05-2014 08:21 PM|
|03-05-2014 06:46 PM|
|Cnoel3||Hey guys just an update. I have successfully gotten my 2013 manual transmission Jeep wrangler unlimited 4x4 to be approved for Lemon Law. The rattling still continued after a new transmission and throw out bearings as well. So I finally wrote to BBB after not hearing from Chrysler for over a month despite my constant calls. Within 2 hrs of writing to the BBB I received a phone call offering to buy back my vehicle. Ill be getting back all the payments ive made, as well as my down payment in a check. As well as my loan paid off. I will be purchasing the 2014 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Willy's Wheeler in an automatic. Although ill have to wait about 12 weeks for it to come Im still excited to get a new Jeep with hopefully no problems! Im glad my rattling Jeep nightmare is over. So good luck to the rest of you guys and I hope your problems get fixed!|
|02-27-2014 09:32 PM|
|02-27-2014 09:06 PM|
|ocd_dave||Its almost the sound I would hear from a Diesel engine(marble or rubbing sound), but its coming from the tranny in 3rd and 4th gear. I'm guessing its just gear noise, but who knows, moving the 4x4 lever does nothing to quiet it down.|
|02-27-2014 07:41 PM|
|relyt||A throw out bearing chirps when the clutch pedal is out and the clutch is engaged. When you press the pedal to disengage the clutch is when a bad throw out bearing stops making noise.|
|02-27-2014 06:59 PM|
From what I've read in other threads/forums, if it's a throw out bearing, the noise usually occurs with the clutch pedal pushed in.
I've owned manuals before, but not a jeep manual, and I've never owned one long enough to have clutch/transmission issues so this is new ground for me.
|02-27-2014 06:03 PM|
|02-27-2014 04:31 PM|
|02-27-2014 04:29 PM|
This annoying rattle started about a month ago. Not sure what to do about it, I took it to a mechanic at my local 4x4 shop, and of course, it wouldn't cooperate while I was there. I hate the thought of having my transmission torn apart when I don't know what's causing it.
|02-27-2014 03:58 PM|
|02-27-2014 03:09 PM|
|tedstone||I have a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited with about 18,000 miles now and it has a subtle rattle only when clutch is out (in neutral). Push clutch in, rattle goes away. When in neutral, rev the engine, one can hear it but then goes away with some RPM. Strange. I can't remember when I first noticed it. I would love to know what is causing it so I can tell a mechanic what to replace if anything.|
|02-25-2014 11:41 PM|
|Jhaake||My 2014 has a rattle when accelerating in 3rd gear only. I've had older wrangler before and I know they can make some sounds but is this normal? It only happens in 3rd and the jeep is brand new ( only 400kms on it). Any help would be great! Thanks|
|02-20-2014 10:50 PM|
One thing I noticed with the early NSG-370s is that they have "Mercedes-Benz" stamped on the side. The one on my 2013 doesn't seem to have this.
My guess is that MB said "lol here, have it, knock yourselves out! We want nothing to do with it anymore!"
|02-20-2014 06:38 PM|
|DaisyCutter||I don't have any problems with mine. It is a bit challenging in that I can't be sloppy, but still well within my skill range. Frankly I think the 3.6 is too advanced for the trans, becauss my 2005 Wrangler had the same tranny and it was more *typical* of a manual, but it was also more brolen in...|
|02-20-2014 06:37 PM|
|tomgillotti||Haven't read any other comments, but I have some rattling and I can say that it's nothing I've ever been concerned with. Maybe annoyed with, but it's a Jeep and I accept a certain level of rattles...|
|02-20-2014 06:29 PM|
I believe you misread what he wrote. He said that downshifts are smoother than upshifts.
I've found that this transmission responds better to shifting at higher rpm, especially with the V6. When I had it behind the 4.0L I shifted around 2-2200RPM, and it was pretty smooth, so I tried the same when I got my JK with the 3.6L and it was horrible. The RPM falls off too quickly to shift smoothly that low. I run mine up to ~2800RPM now and it's fairly smooth.
That said, on downshifts, double clutching isn't really necessary any more. So long as you give a blip of throttle to match engine RPM to the RPM of the input shaft before engaging the clutch again, downshifts will be even smoother. Don't even get me started on the old timers that think we need to double clutch on upshifts too, or the "boy racers" that think you should be heel and toe downshifting in a Jeep.
|02-20-2014 06:06 PM|
That's normal. When you upshift, you're effectively switching from a gear that's spinning faster to a gear that's spinning slower. In the time it takes for you to move the shifter between gears, the shaft has spun down to a speed similar to the next gear, so it goes right in with little effort on the synchronizer.
When you downshift it's the exact opposite. You're switching from a gear that's spinning slower to a gear that's spinning faster. In the time that it takes you to move the gear lever, the shaft has spun even slower, which brings it further away in terms of speed from the next gear. This means that the synchronizer has to work hard to match the input and output shafts, which makes it harder for you. Double clutching between shifts matches the input shaft and output shaft regardless of which direction you are shifting, but it's not necessary these days.
|02-20-2014 05:54 PM|
I have only ever owned NSG-370 manuals. I was convinced that it shifts rough because I just suck at driving stick. Judging by the others having trouble getting it to shift smoothly, I feel like just this time, I can blame it on the transmission lol.
Anybody else notice that it downshifts waaaaaay smoother than upshifts? Or is that just the nature of all manual transmissions?
|02-20-2014 04:08 PM|
|Blastek||Agreed. The transmission is just poorly designed. Chrysler is just riding it out until the next powertrain change. There is no evidence over a decade of application in wranglers of any failures though (other than the TOB). It's just noisy. I don't drive automatics if i can help it, so that's not even an option for me. good luck!|
|02-20-2014 03:42 PM|
|Cnoel3||Thats unfortunate about the warranty being up for the clutch. Ive been havig this problem since a week after purchasing the vehicle a year ago. And yes, it is a huge hassle getting this dealt with for the Lemon Law. But I am also a persistant little lady. Haha. Ive been quite patient the last year. So now its time I see some results. I am bummed that I will have to have an automatic tranny instead of a manual. I have an '87 manual wrangler that runs great no rattling whatsoever. So for this new jeep to do it is a shame. I wish you all the best of luck in figuring out what the problem is. I can tell you that a whole new tranny isnt going to fix the problem. Been there. Done that. As well as the 4x4 drive shaft and everything. Throwout bearings. All of it. So when I am done with the Lemon law replacement I will give you guys a shout out and hope for the best with the automatic!|
|02-20-2014 03:12 PM|
I had mine in the shop yesterday for the "clunking" and general slopiness between 1-3 along with the occaisional "chirp" when getting back on the gas after a change (sounds like a tennis shoe on a gym floor) and I could not get it to squeak with the service manager in the vehicle with me. As far as the clanking and clunking and general shittyiness of the transmission if you dont shift it ABSOLUTELY perferct and slipping the cluth a little.....He says: "Yep, you gotta be good with these or it's rough, nearly every one I drive is like that".
I believe them. It won't get fixed. Automatic for me next time, which is absolutely redicilous given the number of these vehicles and it being 2014. I don't want to hear that "It's a Jeep" shit either. I can shift a UPS truck smother than this thing most of the time. Otherwise, I love the vehicle but damn...
I FULLY agree that it's part Drive by wire (delay in touching the gas vs. RPM increase) + Non Linear clutch engagement + Driver not paying FULL attention to getting it perfect sometimes. I have owned manuals before and driven many types and this one takes the cake for being "touchy". Sigh...they almost made a perfect vehicle for me. /rant
|02-20-2014 02:57 PM|
I'm certain this transmission will rattle no matter what parts they throw at it. They've already tried everything. I qualified for the lemon law a long time ago due to parts backordered, but I didn't want to deal with the hassle. If it rattles significantly, i'll push for a whole new trans.
I'm also going to ask Chrysler for a lifetime warranty this week. I've already had the following done:
- Windshield defective and replaced
- Emergency brake defective and replaced
- Drivers seat base replaced
- Cylinder head replaced
- Rear bearing in transmission replaced
- All transmission internals + TOB replaced (separate service from the previous). This one took 3 weeks alone.
- TOB failure 10k miles later and transmission out again and parts on backorder.
I guess i'm a patient guy.
|02-20-2014 02:34 PM|
I would suggest asking the dealership to check out the clutch issue so they may pay for it. While my jeep was in the dealership they would check out anything I would suggest. Maybe save you some money. Especially if u think it may be contributing to the rattling. Just a suggestion. Im still dealing with Chrysler and Lemon Law. Going to contact the BBB today about lack of communication from them.
|02-20-2014 02:25 PM|
My 13' doesn't rattle but makes clunking sounds if I don't shift exactly right.
Overall I'm good with my 6 speed....but I think we'd all be happier getting a horse.
|02-20-2014 02:23 PM|
|02-20-2014 02:11 PM|
Are you paying for all this? Out of pocket? Or is the vehicle not under warranty anymore?
|02-20-2014 12:44 PM|
well, after having all my transmission parts replaced at 18k (which did not fix the rattles), my throwout bearing is shot at 29k (which was one of the items they replaced). So, it's back in for round 4. They confirmed the rattles again, but are only replacing the TOB. I can live with the rattles, but my clutch was clicking and creaking really bad.
I think i'm going to pay to have the clutch assembly replaced at the same time.
|02-14-2014 11:20 PM|
OK I'll bite. I have a significant rattle in my '14 JKU in 3rd gear. I attributed to my drake billet shifter at first. It's the same shifter knob that I removed from my '12 JK. I don't recall my '12 JK having this problem; because I'm sure I would have been as ticked off then as I am now.
I have taken the drake knob off an reinstalled it; the problem remains.
|02-14-2014 11:11 PM|
|Cnoel3||I am currently in the process of having my Jeep made a lemon. They have replaced the entire transmission and the rattling is still there. New vehicles should be new... we shouldnt have to fix these problems ourselves. The dealership has been a pain in the ass. And Chrysler is on my last nerve with horrible customer service. They never call me back. My case is being review as we speak. Im located in California, and I meet all the requirements under the lemon law. So I will post back when I hear some news.|
|01-31-2014 07:10 PM|
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