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09-26-2014 03:13 PM
Vader911 I had a 2007 tacoma with the double cab and long bed. It was a great truck, perfectly reliable, very useful, and boring as hell. It was practically an appliance, like my refrigerator at home. I drove it for 6 years. It was the only vehicle I've ever owned that I never wanted to modify -- I just couldn't get excited about it.

I've had more manufacturing/warranty issues with my Wrangler in 1 year and 6k miles than I did in 6 years and 85k miles in the Tacoma. That Tacoma's quality was head and shoulders above my Jeep's. That said, my JKU really makes me smile when I drive it and the Tacoma never did.

My only regret is trading the Tacoma in on the JKU. I should have kept it in the driveway and bought the JKU anyway.
09-26-2014 02:25 PM
spinlock
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Originally Posted by odamo View Post
Your not a real JEEPER, Turn in your card as you leave.....
I happen own both vehicles and agree 100% with jadmt. My Taco twin cab 4x4 is the most functional vehicle I have owned and I have owned too many, so from a *rational* point of view the Taco is a better choice. However, baking in the sun and eating dust with top off, crusing around with the doors off with the possibility of something or someone small falling out, climbing big piles of rocks, intentionally driving into mud or water holes and rumbling down the road in a JK with a quasi-tractor like ride is not rational behavior BUT it provides a whole lot of pleasure and fun.

As practical and reliable as my Taco is, it is also flat out boring to drive and not so great off road so it's sits sadly and lonely in my driveway while my JK gets to go out every day to work and have fun. The only time my Taco goes out is when I have haul something or 4 passengers and all their gear and usually all 4 passengers frown because we are in not in my JK.

Please let me know if should turn in my card too (I understand rules are strict) but can I please at least keep my Trail Rated badge? Full disclosure, I've owned 7 previous Jeeps so if I loose the privildege of using my current REAL JEEPER card, I will just flash one of the expired ones the next time I am carded.
09-26-2014 11:48 AM
TampaDude
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Originally Posted by scobro View Post
I have no doubt in my mind that the Nissan Frontier (or Toyota Tacoma) would be BETTER than an Wrangler if you intended to use all of the benefits of a truck. But the opposite is true as well.
Yup...like I said earlier, I had a Tacoma, and they are great trucks. The Tacoma is rock solid and stone-cold reliable...but IT'S NOT A JEEP. There's a reason Chrysler is selling Wranglers as fast as they can make them.
09-26-2014 11:43 AM
scobro I've got a 2014 Nissan (I know not a Toyota but still a valid point) Frontier PRO-4X.. I got it in February. I wanted an Unlimited. But I listened to people that said how the truck was more practical. It is. How you can do more hauling, towing with it. You can. How for the most part it can handle any off-roading I would want to do. It does. For all intensive purposes it does the same thing as an Unlimited, and it does more.

But it still didnt stop me from kicking myself come April. July I made the mad scramble to get it paid off and August I started shopping for what I wanted and should have gotten.

At the end of the day, being able to haul more, being more practical, being CHEAPER, doesnt mean much if you have no pride in the vehicle you drive. I am sure Nissan is a 'good' brand, but I never had a foreign vehicle before and having to sit at work and see that name staring at me each time I looked out the window.. I just couldnt take any longer.

So trading my '14 Nissan in for a '15 Jeep.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Nissan Frontier (or Toyota Tacoma) would be BETTER than an Wrangler if you intended to use all of the benefits of a truck. But the opposite is true as well.
09-26-2014 11:42 AM
TampaDude I had a 2006 Tacoma. I sold it and bought my 2014 JKU. It's one of the best decisions I ever made. My wife and I get so much more enjoyment out of the Jeep. It's no contest, really.
09-26-2014 11:37 AM
RubiconSS My 4Runner was as boring a vehicle as I ever imagined, the only thing that would have been worse would have been a Highlander.
Only thing I quasi-miss (if I had to think of one thing in order to save a puppies life) was the remote power down/up rear window "if" I have the dogs back there and it starts to rain and I'm doing like 70 mph on the highway.
Other than that 4run-who?
09-26-2014 11:33 AM
Falconer My wife & I were recently in a similar conundrum. We didn’t need a truck as I have a ¾ ton oil burner but we did need a new vehicle for her that would make the daily commute to our house, on the continental divide, come snow or shine. Her previous car was a Hyundai Santa Fe which did ok but seemed to get stuck at least a couple times each winter on the “road” (I use that term very loosely) to our house. She started out looking at 4runners, Enclaves & Xterras but all I could think was how ridiculously boring & monotonous those vehicles were. I was finally able to get her to take a look at the Wrangler unlimited to which she instantly became very excited about. We will be picking up our new to us (2012 Wrangler Altitude) next weekend. I hate to say it but as much as I love my big diesel, I’m really looking forward to bouncing around the back roads in that little red jeep. I expect our Polaris razr is going to be seeing a lot more garage time with the purchase of my wife’s new rig.
09-26-2014 11:25 AM
RubiconSS Ahhhh another Toyota vs Jeep thread. Owned more than I can remember of both.
Toyota is not what it once was IMO. This is an unusual case of one maker declining in quality while the other is increasing. Traded my 12' Toyota 4Runner Limited in on my 14' JKUS and have not regretted it one day. I NEVER looked for a reason to go for a ride in my 4runners, FJCruisers, Camry, Corolla..... Now, my Supra's - different story perhaps
09-26-2014 06:59 AM
KC_Hawker
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Originally Posted by dfsadgs View Post
I sold my 4-dr Taco and bought my commuter DD Ford Focus and '13 JKUR. The Taco is a nice truck, and versatile, but it just wasn't...fun.
This is one thing the Jeep has that few other vehicles can touch. Its FUN.

I tried to explain this to my step son, he doesnt get it. He wants a car to show wealth and performance (lol he listens to too much rap) and he doesnt get why his little sister and girlfriend always choose to ride in my Jeep over mom's car. Him and mom want to look "cool" and the girls and I just have fun. Top down music up.

I spent one day on campus grilling for one of his parties. All the girls that showed up asked who owns that cool Jeep out front and wanted to go for a ride
09-26-2014 01:28 AM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by odamo View Post
Your not a real JEEPER, Turn in your card as you leave.....
you are correct I am not a real JEEPER where do I turn my card in?
09-25-2014 10:22 PM
odamo
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
from a purely rational point of view the Tacoma hands down is the winner. It can do more day in and day out then the wrangler. If you are going to modify either one to be a rock crawler hard core off road vehicle then the wrangler hands down. If you are looking at a nice vehicle to hit the back roads for camping etc they are both great in stock form. Cool thing about your choice is that they both are good choices. For what I do I would be happy with either one. I have a new jku 13 but after 6 months the coolness of being able to pull the top off has kind of faded.

Your not a real JEEPER, Turn in your card as you leave.....
07-05-2013 12:44 PM
keith_stepp This thread has got to have the longest average post length of any thread I've read yet on this forum... right up my long winded alley.

There are a lot of good arguments to not buy a Jeep. I went through the exact same reasoning when shopping for a touring motorcycle. The reasoning side of my brain wanted me to buy a BMW, but the emotional side wanted a Harley in a bad way. Guess who won.

In the end, the advantages that a Tacoma has over a Jeep do not outweigh the immeasurable qualities that a Jeep has that appeals to me. In the end, I doubt very seriously that a Jeep owner will be unsatisfied with their decision, with a few exceptions (same is true of Harley owners). I ran into one of the "down" sides just yesterday: had to haul some new patio furniture home and it did not fit in the Jeep. So, I rented a truck for $20 from Home Depot... big friggin' deal. That $20 was nothing compared to shrieks of glee from my wife I got when I took her off-roading last weekend with the top off and the cool, pine scented, breeze pushing her hair all around her face.

Best $20 I ever spent. Period.
07-05-2013 12:25 PM
ArmyWrangler2012 I got a one year old SLT model with the 5.7L Hemi. Good Lord its got power but the gas bill shows the engine has a drinking problem. I get on average 16mpg around town but i found out jeeps will get the same with 35's on them! As I said, loved the jeep but the ram was a good value for the cost and just what I needed. Where in the world do I go to sell the bike carrier on this forum?!?!?!
07-05-2013 10:43 AM
KC_Hawker
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Originally Posted by ArmyWrangler2012 View Post
I hear ya. No doubt I will miss some of the fun of the jeep and top down rides but the utility of a truck bed is just better than the solution I was always told... "buy a trailer if ya need to haul".... well a trailer isnt always hooked to the jeep and when I needed it, I usually didnt have it hooked up. But the parking is a pain on the new full size truck for sure. I bought a new 4 door Ram and since I'm 6'5, the fit is better and like I said... Love the truck bed and using it like crazy already. I am about to post a spare tire 2 bike carrier for sale at a good deal. Let me know if you or anyone else might be interested.
So which Ram did you get? Just curious. Love me some Dodge trucks too.
07-05-2013 09:46 AM
WXman Well, what happens if the Tacoma and the Wrangler have $ex?

You get a 2003-2009 4Runner.

Same interior room as a 4-Door JK and same utility, but with much improved comfort and ride quality and a V8 option for your towing needs. Still ladder frame, still solid rear axle, still heavy duty drivetrain, but more comfort and NO LEAKY ROOF!

Plus, you can buy them for half the price of either the Taco or JK. BoOm I just fixed your conundrum. You're welcome.
07-05-2013 09:38 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 I hear ya. No doubt I will miss some of the fun of the jeep and top down rides but the utility of a truck bed is just better than the solution I was always told... "buy a trailer if ya need to haul".... well a trailer isnt always hooked to the jeep and when I needed it, I usually didnt have it hooked up. But the parking is a pain on the new full size truck for sure. I bought a new 4 door Ram and since I'm 6'5, the fit is better and like I said... Love the truck bed and using it like crazy already. I am about to post a spare tire 2 bike carrier for sale at a good deal. Let me know if you or anyone else might be interested.
07-05-2013 09:32 AM
TOK
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Originally Posted by ArmyWrangler2012 View Post
Well, I ended up selling my 2012 Wrangler so I have a few things that will soon be going up for auction. I bought a full size truck and I tell ya... its nice having a truck again.
Congrats... I sold my CJ and got a pickup to haul the dirt bikes. It felt great -for about a month!

No doubting the versatility of a pickup, but I went a long time without a Jeep and missed it pretty much the whole time. Looking at a crew cab Tacoma for wifemobile. We have a crew cab Titan and while its versatile and awesome for road trips, she's intimidated parking it.
07-05-2013 09:18 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 Well, I ended up selling my 2012 Wrangler so I have a few things that will soon be going up for auction. I bought a full size truck and I tell ya... its nice having a truck again.
05-14-2013 05:30 PM
KC_Hawker Honestly, it all depends on IF you keep it 10 years and 150k. Did that when I was younger and when I forced myself to commute a long distance to "save money" on a house outside of town.

Now I live in town and don't really plan to keep a car over 5 years unless its as a second vehicle so it is not an issue what happens on an old jeep.
05-14-2013 03:47 PM
dmako I also looked at the Taco, my main point is I want to plow my driveway.

The Taco didn't have a schedule for plowing, the Jeep does.

Seats, the Taco seats are on the floor! Being long legged I had leg room but my legs never touched the seat.

My dogs, can keep'm in the Jeep.

No heated side mirrors on the Taco.
05-14-2013 02:56 PM
ArmyWrangler2012 [QUOTE=highwayman;3725246]
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Originally Posted by KC_Hawker View Post
FWIW - I had a 2007 Ram 1500 for 3 years that NEVER had an issue.

That's great, but I hardly call a truck an indication of stellar reliability after only 3 yrs. Shoot its not even out of warranty. My trouble free 11 yr old Z71, sure. Trouble free 150 k + Nissan, sure. 3 yrs, ummm, no.

A quick check of Jk problems, leaks, ball joints, BCM failures, etc, will show a LOT more problems than the Yota the OP was looking at for a reliable ride. Stuff we live with to have a Jeep.
All those problems listed above and the need of a truck bed is about to push me to buy a truck. I hate it b/c I really like the jeep but its about time for it to go I'm afraid...
05-06-2013 01:32 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
I sounds like a Wrangle would not be to practical for you. Unless you had the space and were willing to buy a small trailer for hauling small things around.
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As the OP described I agree with this.

If mine were a daily driver I would have given up the convertible aspect and went with a 4 runner. I don't rock crawl or mud bog, the Taco or 4runner would handle the trail riding and beach trips.

Now if you see yourself having the top down and doors off often, then get the JKU and a trailer. Keep the Wrangler stock for onroad comfort.

PS: If you plan on highway driving above 70mph with gusty winds, get the hard top. I got to experience hood flutter and soft top lifting off the passenger front door at highway speeds this weekend. Not fun.

I also agree with buying a full size since they are now getting better gas mileage and can haul more.
05-06-2013 01:09 PM
highwayman [QUOTE=KC_Hawker;3706453]FWIW - I had a 2007 Ram 1500 for 3 years that NEVER had an issue.

That's great, but I hardly call a truck an indication of stellar reliability after only 3 yrs. Shoot its not even out of warranty. My trouble free 11 yr old Z71, sure. Trouble free 150 k + Nissan, sure. 3 yrs, ummm, no.

A quick check of Jk problems, leaks, ball joints, BCM failures, etc, will show a LOT more problems than the Yota the OP was looking at for a reliable ride. Stuff we live with to have a Jeep.
05-06-2013 10:12 AM
rics1997 I had a Tacoma. Great truck actually like my dads Nissan better but it still was a great truck. The thing though was I never thought about it. It was a vehicle I owned. A good vehicle but just something that got me from here to there. Now with my Jeep it is a different story. I actually want to get out and drive it. I look at it and smile. It is more then just a vehicle I drive. It is an experience. But thats just me. I never had a group of people gather around my truck and drool. My Jeep on the other hand people will walk out of their way to walk by it just to look closer.
05-06-2013 09:52 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 I think we have nailed it down... just own the jeep for weekends and fun with the doors and top off. Then have a truck for everything else!!!! Now its just that issue of where to find all the money needed to do such a thing.
05-02-2013 08:52 AM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by KC_Hawker View Post
Just curious, if you like toyos, why not look at an FJ? Its a good cross between the 2 and should do everything on your list.
Blind spot on those things are terrible. Bigger side mirrors would probably help I guess.
White top is ugly.
Saw one with red top on black body. Looked better.
05-02-2013 08:30 AM
KC_Hawker Just curious, if you like toyos, why not look at an FJ? Its a good cross between the 2 and should do everything on your list.
05-02-2013 01:28 AM
blackforestgreen i look at that lit and do all of that with my jku and trailer. 2 gsds in the jeep no problem. my 08 jku has been to florida from jersey and back many times and was comfortable for me.. the newer jeeps are even more comfortable. reliability for jeeps, imho, is not an issue either. get the one that makes you happy.
05-01-2013 07:12 PM
GCDMD How about a Honda Ridgeline?? Consumer Reports gave those top ratings.












Sorry. Couldn't help myself. OP- have you made your choice yet??
05-01-2013 01:53 PM
the Grouch
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Originally Posted by Bar01 View Post
I should have elaborated a bit more on intended use besides being a daily driver:
- eventually pull a small camper
- haul bigger dog around
- long road trips
- no off-roading that I can foresee but could see taking it on dirt roads/fire trails.
- need something that does well in the snow
- hauling stuff like lawn mower to get fixed, small home improvement materials, small landscaping projects
- love the old school stick shift
It seems a pickup would serve your needs better than a Wrangler. As many have pointed out a full size truck will cost about the same as a Tacoma, get about the same mpg and tow and carry more than a Tacoma. The Taco takes a little less real state on the driveway, though.

I would also look at the Nissan Frontier, pretty similar to the Tacoma.
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