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Today 08:31 PM
R8DRIZD
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Originally Posted by Dougzin View Post

Yesterday was less of a struggle going than what I thought the swampers I'm running now are pretty damn bald, but at 5 psi I guess they had no choice but to grip lol. I ordered some new Swampers bias ply iroks that should be here this week.
Doug, your jeep is unrecognizable from the WF calico video I watched last night. It took you almost 3 minutes to go down one of the waterfalls. You've come a long way young man.
Today 07:43 PM
Dougzin
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post

Nice! Can't wait to try the gatekeep!
Yesterday was less of a struggle going than what I thought the swampers I'm running now are pretty damn bald, but at 5 psi I guess they had no choice but to grip lol. I ordered some new Swampers bias ply iroks that should be here this week.
Today 07:27 PM
tkfx
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Originally Posted by Dougzin View Post
Figured I'd share with y'all what I thought was a pretty cool picture of me conquering the gatekeeper yesterday. Was a beautiful day for sure. And we didn't have near the excitement Rick's run did.
Nice! Can't wait to try the gatekeep!
Today 06:56 PM
Dougzin Figured I'd share with y'all what I thought was a pretty cool picture of me conquering the gatekeeper yesterday. Was a beautiful day for sure. And we didn't have near the excitement Rick's run did.
Today 05:25 PM
Gunner Makes sense that a bump stop would have a lower duty cycle than a shock. I would guess that my speed bumps might get pretty hot on a long fast bumpy road. They are just compressing foam inside two aluminum cans. But they do seem to help quite a bit.
Today 04:14 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
So i've been following on this discussion about bumps and I am wondering just how do they keep them cool in a race. I don't see either the air or oil ones with remote res unless i'm just not reading deeply enough. But I did notice a pretty significant difference in comfort and speed when I added the speed bumps to my Jeep over factory bump's. But only on higher speed trails where it got into Whoop's. There was a much more controlled feel when the suspension bottom's out and now with the 2.5's it is even better.
Think about it like this, you're shock moves alot more than air/hydro bumps. You're not using your bumps the whole time. So no need for reservoirs. Hell people with jeeps on coilovers didn't run any air/hydro bumps up until a few years ago now it's a big trend for them. Then again most people going to coilovers now are kinda cobbling things together and not building balanced suspensions. Manufacturers are just trying to make 12" coilovers fit without having to cut to much. People think its cool to have race jeep stuff on a mall crawler.


What I'm getting at, saw some big money JKs this weekend running 3" King coilovers. On the rear they were at almost a 35 degree angle. Just curious but what the hell is the point of that? Dampen the movement of the axle moving backwards? A well thought out suspension utilizing 50/50 travel hell even 45/55 travel you won't be riding on bumps much unless you're jumping 3 foot whoops and hard/really hard landings. Sometimes a 12" travel shock aint what you need because you'll be running so much bumpstop you've got 2" of up travel.
Today 04:09 PM
tkfx
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
So i've been following on this discussion about bumps and I am wondering just how do they keep them cool in a race. I don't see either the air or oil ones with remote res unless i'm just not reading deeply enough. But I did notice a pretty significant difference in comfort and speed when I added the speed bumps to my Jeep over factory bump's. But only on higher speed trails where it got into Whoop's. There was a much more controlled feel when the suspension bottom's out and now with the 2.5's it is even better.
I think they stay cool better then shocks because the bumps are only being used at near full bump. When they arent bottoming out they have a chance to cool. Where as the shocks are always compressing and rebounding at all times when the vehicle is moving. Thats my theory on it.
Today 03:37 PM
Gunner So i've been following on this discussion about bumps and I am wondering just how do they keep them cool in a race. I don't see either the air or oil ones with remote res unless i'm just not reading deeply enough. But I did notice a pretty significant difference in comfort and speed when I added the speed bumps to my Jeep over factory bump's. But only on higher speed trails where it got into Whoop's. There was a much more controlled feel when the suspension bottom's out and now with the 2.5's it is even better.
Today 02:56 PM
R8DRIZD
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Originally Posted by Aftahour View Post
ill keep an eye out on fb. There's a few pages on there that sells items. What's your budget bud.
No budget...just need the doors.
Today 02:29 PM
Aftahour
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Originally Posted by R8DRIZD View Post
Anyone know where I might pick up a pair of 97 TJ hard doors? Color is not important. Thanks, Nick
ill keep an eye out on fb. There's a few pages on there that sells items. What's your budget bud.
Today 01:43 PM
tkfx
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
What's still open in hungry valley? I haven't been there in while.
Everything as far I saw was open. Didnt see anything closed.
Today 01:41 PM
Ditchdoc What's still open in hungry valley? I haven't been there in while.
Today 02:18 AM
tkfx That didn't take long to change my mind . As for which type of bumpstop ill use, either the synergy budget cans, or the ones linked above this post will largely be determined by the gap between the frame and the axle, and currently it is pretty big.

Thanks guys!
Today 01:55 AM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
Dam, I didn't think about the possibility of a internal bypass coilover. I did some searching and couldn't find any Fox internal bypass coilovers in the 2.0 flavor, only in the 2.5. Even King starts their IB Coilovers from 2.5 and up. I wonder if it really is internal bypassed or if they just put it on text just because. The reason I don't want to run the factory style pad and bump is because of space limitations. If I wanted to do it right where I would be able to upgrade to hydros down the line, I would have to use bump cans paired with this: POLY PERFORMANCE OFF-ROAD PARTS┬*::┬*Suspension┬*::┬*Bump Stops & Mounts┬*::┬*Synergy Budget Bump Stop Which is effectively a rubber and pad, but a hybrid between a hydro and a rubber bumpstop. Can't disagree with you here. Today at Hungry Valley I took a deep pit too fast and bottomed out my front shocks, luckly I started braking right before I hit so I didn't damage the shock.
I wasn't saying it was an internal bypass coilover, pretty sure they would have mentioned that in the 4 page article on it. You dont have room for a 2" by 2" bumpstop pad above the diff and possibly build off of the upper control arm mount on the other side? Don't get stuck thinking it has to be right by the shock, right on the tube for the axle. But bumpstops should have gotten figured out a long time ago when you first set up your coilovers. Personally air/hydro bumps are a waste if youre not trying to think you're in the KOH. I get it you might hit some chop or wild hair up your ass going down a fire road, but thats not what they are meant for. Some of the race car tech is wayyyy too much overkill for what anyone needs, especially if you're building a rig for rock crawling.



God I could fit these damn near anywhere http://m.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9137g

Proper valving of your coilovers and you could make them just kiss them. But that will take a lot of research and some know how.
Today 01:28 AM
tkfx
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Just to add do this, bypass shocks dont have hydraulic bumpstops built in. How some people tune them is to make them stiffen up through the compressions stroke of the shock. Closer it reaches up the stiffer it is to the point where it barely compress. Also I found an old Crawl magazine and found daddy long legs specs for you
Dam, I didn't think about the possibility of a internal bypass coilover. I did some searching and couldn't find any Fox internal bypass coilovers in the 2.0 flavor, only in the 2.5. Even King starts their IB Coilovers from 2.5 and up. I wonder if it really is internal bypassed or if they just put it on text just because.

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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Why not run a factory style foam one or even just small rubber ones? Air bumps/hydraulic bumpstops really are for like prerunning kinda stuff. But bottoming out a coilover just doesnt sound to great to me but I could see how if the travel is pretty 50/50 or so. Also i would double check on daddy long legs, believe the bumpstops are internal in his coilovers.
The reason I don't want to run the factory style pad and bump is because of space limitations. If I wanted to do it right where I would be able to upgrade to hydros down the line, I would have to use bump cans paired with this:

POLY PERFORMANCE OFF-ROAD PARTS┬*::┬*Suspension┬*::┬*Bump Stops & Mounts┬*::┬*Synergy Budget Bump Stop

Which is effectively a rubber and pad, but a hybrid between a hydro and a rubber bumpstop.

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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I'm a believer in bump stops a limit straps not because you need them all the time but that one time you can't stop in time and bam you bottom out hard or eject a spring. They are fairly inexpensive and protect the high priced stuff.

Can't disagree with you here. Today at Hungry Valley I took a deep pit too fast and bottomed out my front shocks, luckly I started braking right before I hit so I didn't damage the shock.
Today 12:12 AM
Ditchdoc I'm a believer in bump stops a limit straps not because you need them all the time but that one time you can't stop in time and bam you bottom out hard or eject a spring. They are fairly inexpensive and protect the high priced stuff.
Today 12:05 AM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
Went out to Gorman today with a group led by Lorie to test out my LJ before I go balls deep into some harder trails. I was playing around in the practice area, specifically the big rock garden, and im impress with how I was able to handle those rocks without locking an axle. I can't wait to do some real rock crawling now that I know how my jeep will perform. Im going to post a video of the rock garden section that I recorded via my dashcam when I get home. Also, looking for your guys opinion, Im thinking of not running any bumpstops. Reason I say this is because I know of two LJs that run CO's and do primarily rock crawling (Rock Krawler Stretch LJ, and PSC Larry's orange LJ) and they do not have any bumpstops. Im thinking that they adjust their spring stop rings so that their main stiffer spring acts as a passive bumpstop. What do you guys think, is it worth the huge investment for bumpstops or is it manageable without them? (Also both LJs above don't have any bypass shocks with built in hydrobumps).
Just to add do this, bypass shocks dont have hydraulic bumpstops built in. How some people tune them is to make them stiffen up through the compressions stroke of the shock. Closer it reaches up the stiffer it is to the point where it barely compress. Also I found an old Crawl magazine and found daddy long legs specs for you


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Yesterday 11:52 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
Went out to Gorman today with a group led by Lorie to test out my LJ before I go balls deep into some harder trails. I was playing around in the practice area, specifically the big rock garden, and im impress with how I was able to handle those rocks without locking an axle. I can't wait to do some real rock crawling now that I know how my jeep will perform. Im going to post a video of the rock garden section that I recorded via my dashcam when I get home. Also, looking for your guys opinion, Im thinking of not running any bumpstops. Reason I say this is because I know of two LJs that run CO's and do primarily rock crawling (Rock Krawler Stretch LJ, and PSC Larry's orange LJ) and they do not have any bumpstops. Im thinking that they adjust their spring stop rings so that their main stiffer spring acts as a passive bumpstop. What do you guys think, is it worth the huge investment for bumpstops or is it manageable without them? (Also both LJs above don't have any bypass shocks with built in hydrobumps).

Why not run a factory style foam one or even just small rubber ones? Air bumps/hydraulic bumpstops really are for like prerunning kinda stuff. But bottoming out a coilover just doesnt sound to great to me but I could see how if the travel is pretty 50/50 or so. Also i would double check on daddy long legs, believe the bumpstops are internal in his coilovers.
Yesterday 11:34 PM
tkfx Went out to Gorman today with a group led by Lorie to test out my LJ before I go balls deep into some harder trails. I was playing around in the practice area, specifically the big rock garden, and im impress with how I was able to handle those rocks without locking an axle. I can't wait to do some real rock crawling now that I know how my jeep will perform. Im going to post a video of the rock garden section that I recorded via my dashcam when I get home.

Also, looking for your guys opinion, Im thinking of not running any bumpstops. Reason I say this is because I know of two LJs that run CO's and do primarily rock crawling (Rock Krawler Stretch LJ, and PSC Larry's orange LJ) and they do not have any bumpstops. Im thinking that they adjust their spring stop rings so that their main stiffer spring acts as a passive bumpstop. What do you guys think, is it worth the huge investment for bumpstops or is it manageable without them? (Also both LJs above don't have any bypass shocks with built in hydrobumps).
Yesterday 11:15 PM
R8DRIZD
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
We had a flop on 2N17X today. No injuries but he flopped about 200 feet up a long narrow run with a big step. We had to winch him all the way down on his side and then right him. He drove it the rest of the way to trails end but he has about 10K of damages on a 2013 JK. No one got hurt and everyone helped.
Sounds like I missed another exciting run. Good to hear nobody was hurt. A good group of people hear on the WF. I truly enjoy wheeling with everyone.
Yesterday 11:10 PM
Gunner We had a flop on 2N17X today. No injuries but he flopped about 200 feet up a long narrow run with a big step. We had to winch him all the way down on his side and then right him. He drove it the rest of the way to trails end but he has about 10K of damages on a 2013 JK. No one got hurt and everyone helped.
Yesterday 10:11 PM
R8DRIZD Anyone know where I might pick up a pair of 97 TJ hard doors? Color is not important.

Thanks,
Nick
Yesterday 07:05 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
thanks man you are a excellent source. I will wait to see what I get for the front and match them.
If you move to a D300 Tcase and left it passenger side drop you'd have more choices for a front axle and will find them at a much better price.
Yesterday 05:25 PM
Ditchdoc
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
Yeah 72" I wide..you can get new chromo shafts with the wright length and bolt pattern for a couple to a few hundy.
thanks man you are a excellent source. I will wait to see what I get for the front and match them.
Yesterday 05:12 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I got it for $350. And it has disc brakes.
Yeah 72" I wide..you can get new chromo shafts with the wright length and bolt pattern for a couple to a few hundy.
Yesterday 04:53 PM
Ditchdoc I got it for $350. And it has disc brakes.
Yesterday 04:52 PM
Ditchdoc Like 72" outmost extreme.
Yesterday 04:44 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
Well that sucks. It's the rear so I guess it's staying the way it is.
10-4. .how wide is the axle?
Yesterday 03:51 PM
Ditchdoc Well that sucks. It's the rear so I guess it's staying the way it is.
Yesterday 02:50 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
Steve, how much work is it to change the track on a dana 60? Do I need to have new shafts made or can the old ones be cut and splined?
You'd want to narrow only the long side of the axle. Then order up a new inner shaft at the new size
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