|12-07-2013 09:45 AM|
For those with the skid, I received my skid with bolts that were with 1/2" and not 9/16 head like the instructions reference. Also, there were not 4 holes on the bottom of the skid to use to mount to a crash bar if I wanted to leave it in.
Anyone else have this, and is this what the OP meant when they posted the got new bolts?
|08-10-2013 05:19 PM|
|donmeca2020||looks great !!!!|
|08-10-2013 03:54 PM|
Yes you can still remove the grill with the PS bumper on.
|07-04-2013 05:04 AM|
Test Fitting for Powder Coating
QUESTION? With the bumper on is it possible to remove the grill. I may down the road want to add new headlights.
SKID + RUBICON = CUT THE CRASHBAR REQUIRED
I just got the PS Brawler Lite (with plate gussets) plus the skid. I did a test fit without the skid and it fit on fine. I trimmed the crash bar and put the skid on tight and it would not go on. I tried a few times and checked to make sure it was lined up. There was nothing small to trim in the way when test fitting. It does fit if I loosen the 4 side skid attachment bolts. Then if flexes just enough. It leaves about a 1/8" gap on the side. There is no way around not cutting off the crashbar with a rubicon and the skid in my opinion. At least with having everything tight to spec. I don't think the spring ratchet adapters will go up to 40ft/lbs. The electric swaybar motor, and the swaybar pipe that runs across, is in the way of being able to get you arm in to tighten the bolts. Between the swaybar pipe and the crashbar leaves about 3". It's not a straight shot though and there is almost no room to actually ratchet when your in there. I think I could MAYBE tighten the passenger inside frame bolts after putting the bumper in place. That would be at best down to about 10ft/lbs. That also would be if I was super lucky, and I didn't drop the bolt or break my arm. Then there is the driver side with the vacuum pump right in the way. Add the crashbar to that and it will be hard to get the inner most frame bolts. I could see maybe making it work if you didn't put on the 4 inner frame bolts on. Even with midget arms I cannot see the inner lower frame mounting bolts being possible with the crashbar in the way.
OTHER SKID OPTION
The Expedition One Rubi Skid is a good and possibly better option if your hacking the crashbar off anyways (as pointed out by kramer2k on a different thread). It ends up costing just a bit less. This is a good link that shows how it is installed.Expedition One Rubi Skid install - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum.
SKID + CRASHBAR = MUD COLLECTOR
The skid plate rest against the crashbar tightly. It works out that if mud got in the front holes of the skid, it would collect against the crash bar. It makes a pocket that would make mud very hard to get out.
TRIMMING THE CRASH BAR
I spent a good amount of time trimming up the crashbar. With my 2012 it seems like all I really needed to do was trim off the bottom of the 2 sides. They drop about 3/8" below the main crossmember portion of the crashbar. The vertical cut that it showed in the directions I don't think were necessary for me (2012 JK). I did make the cut before I realized that I didn't need to. I read this guys post and figured it out after angle grinding them out.Poison Spyder Brawler Lite Front Bumper for JK. For anyone wanting to keep the crashbar just know that you need to absolutely make the main long bottom middle portion, the lowest area. The skid will come up right onto it.
Here you see I made the recommended vertical cut. It appears that just cutting on the green line would have worked. NOTE:The crashbar style I believe has changed over the years.
Here is the rear. I highlighted the part that needs to get trimmed.
Here is the side before trimming. The gold line I created trying to find the best way to cut it.
Here it's trimmed, but on the other side
|06-11-2013 02:13 AM|
Crash bar = Ugly
Bull bar = Sexy!
|06-11-2013 12:18 AM|
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|06-09-2013 08:49 PM|
I'm extremely picky with looks , sheet metal wouldn't work for me. After paying $400 for the bumper and $200 for the powder coating its got to be perfect.
|06-09-2013 08:45 PM|
Nates off road. Retains the stock plate design. Can't imagine covering up wheels with a plate. Also running LEDs through the tire for the third eye. Would never buy a bumper from a manufacturer that did not think if this.
Good luck with your mod
|06-09-2013 08:27 PM|
You'd have to drill your own mounting holes. I didn't want to since I plan on running a winch at some point. When that time comes I'll use a farlead mount. But for now she rides up in the windshield. I could zip tie it up front, might do that if I get hassled about it being in the windshield. Not really a design flaws, many states don't require a front plate.
Been thinking about using L brackets and a thin sheet of metal or aluminum and making my own bracket and use the winch mounting holes for the L brackets. I just don't and won't drill holes into this bumper for a stupid plate that I'm required to have.
|06-09-2013 06:28 PM|
|Hockeymonster||So where do you put it. Hopefully it doesn't stay on the tire and windshield or its a bad design.|
|06-09-2013 06:00 PM|
|Spyder1049||There's no license plate holder on the brawler lite|
|06-09-2013 05:33 PM|
|Hockeymonster||Does the license plates stay where they are in the picture?|
|06-09-2013 05:29 PM|
It takes an hour at most. I trimmed the crash bar. Installing the bumper is literally 8 bolts
Do it !!!!
|06-09-2013 03:47 PM|
I've not really looked at removing the front bumper yet but plan on ordering the Poison Spyder Brawler lite and when you mention removing the crash bar, just how much trouble is that? Not looking to spend an entire weekend doing this install. And I guess I am going to be getting the skid plate too since they recommend it for a Rubicon.
|05-21-2013 01:33 PM|
Installed this a few weeks ago. Went on without a hitch, every bolt hole lined up perfectly. Vacuum pump on my 2012 was not a problem and it still in the factor location.
|05-19-2013 11:16 AM|
I installed mine and there was no cutting and no drilling of any holes, it lined up perfectly!
The driver's side upper inner bolt was a pain to get to, and I didn't have a shorter 19mm socket, so I just hand tightned it until i can get a socket in there
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|05-05-2013 03:05 AM|
|Blue Rubicon||I just trim mined mine as well fit on after that. Did anyone have trouble with the bolts that connect the skid plate to the bumper hitting the 4 bolt plate.|
|05-05-2013 02:57 AM|
I'm in Deer Park.
|05-05-2013 02:43 AM|
|tlminh||Did the bolts on the bumper line up straight with the holes in the frame or did you have to drill the holes bigger?|
|05-04-2013 10:41 AM|
|05-04-2013 12:17 AM|
I just installed the mid width brawler..
So that was what was in my way the whole time, #$%#%$ crash bar!!
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