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07-05-2013 12:44 PM
keith_stepp This thread has got to have the longest average post length of any thread I've read yet on this forum... right up my long winded alley.

There are a lot of good arguments to not buy a Jeep. I went through the exact same reasoning when shopping for a touring motorcycle. The reasoning side of my brain wanted me to buy a BMW, but the emotional side wanted a Harley in a bad way. Guess who won.

In the end, the advantages that a Tacoma has over a Jeep do not outweigh the immeasurable qualities that a Jeep has that appeals to me. In the end, I doubt very seriously that a Jeep owner will be unsatisfied with their decision, with a few exceptions (same is true of Harley owners). I ran into one of the "down" sides just yesterday: had to haul some new patio furniture home and it did not fit in the Jeep. So, I rented a truck for $20 from Home Depot... big friggin' deal. That $20 was nothing compared to shrieks of glee from my wife I got when I took her off-roading last weekend with the top off and the cool, pine scented, breeze pushing her hair all around her face.

Best $20 I ever spent. Period.
07-05-2013 12:25 PM
ArmyWrangler2012 I got a one year old SLT model with the 5.7L Hemi. Good Lord its got power but the gas bill shows the engine has a drinking problem. I get on average 16mpg around town but i found out jeeps will get the same with 35's on them! As I said, loved the jeep but the ram was a good value for the cost and just what I needed. Where in the world do I go to sell the bike carrier on this forum?!?!?!
07-05-2013 10:43 AM
KC_Hawker
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Originally Posted by ArmyWrangler2012 View Post
I hear ya. No doubt I will miss some of the fun of the jeep and top down rides but the utility of a truck bed is just better than the solution I was always told... "buy a trailer if ya need to haul".... well a trailer isnt always hooked to the jeep and when I needed it, I usually didnt have it hooked up. But the parking is a pain on the new full size truck for sure. I bought a new 4 door Ram and since I'm 6'5, the fit is better and like I said... Love the truck bed and using it like crazy already. I am about to post a spare tire 2 bike carrier for sale at a good deal. Let me know if you or anyone else might be interested.
So which Ram did you get? Just curious. Love me some Dodge trucks too.
07-05-2013 09:46 AM
WXman Well, what happens if the Tacoma and the Wrangler have $ex?

You get a 2003-2009 4Runner.

Same interior room as a 4-Door JK and same utility, but with much improved comfort and ride quality and a V8 option for your towing needs. Still ladder frame, still solid rear axle, still heavy duty drivetrain, but more comfort and NO LEAKY ROOF!

Plus, you can buy them for half the price of either the Taco or JK. BoOm I just fixed your conundrum. You're welcome.
07-05-2013 09:38 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 I hear ya. No doubt I will miss some of the fun of the jeep and top down rides but the utility of a truck bed is just better than the solution I was always told... "buy a trailer if ya need to haul".... well a trailer isnt always hooked to the jeep and when I needed it, I usually didnt have it hooked up. But the parking is a pain on the new full size truck for sure. I bought a new 4 door Ram and since I'm 6'5, the fit is better and like I said... Love the truck bed and using it like crazy already. I am about to post a spare tire 2 bike carrier for sale at a good deal. Let me know if you or anyone else might be interested.
07-05-2013 09:32 AM
TOK
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Originally Posted by ArmyWrangler2012 View Post
Well, I ended up selling my 2012 Wrangler so I have a few things that will soon be going up for auction. I bought a full size truck and I tell ya... its nice having a truck again.
Congrats... I sold my CJ and got a pickup to haul the dirt bikes. It felt great -for about a month!

No doubting the versatility of a pickup, but I went a long time without a Jeep and missed it pretty much the whole time. Looking at a crew cab Tacoma for wifemobile. We have a crew cab Titan and while its versatile and awesome for road trips, she's intimidated parking it.
07-05-2013 09:18 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 Well, I ended up selling my 2012 Wrangler so I have a few things that will soon be going up for auction. I bought a full size truck and I tell ya... its nice having a truck again.
05-14-2013 05:30 PM
KC_Hawker Honestly, it all depends on IF you keep it 10 years and 150k. Did that when I was younger and when I forced myself to commute a long distance to "save money" on a house outside of town.

Now I live in town and don't really plan to keep a car over 5 years unless its as a second vehicle so it is not an issue what happens on an old jeep.
05-14-2013 03:47 PM
dmako I also looked at the Taco, my main point is I want to plow my driveway.

The Taco didn't have a schedule for plowing, the Jeep does.

Seats, the Taco seats are on the floor! Being long legged I had leg room but my legs never touched the seat.

My dogs, can keep'm in the Jeep.

No heated side mirrors on the Taco.
05-14-2013 02:56 PM
ArmyWrangler2012 [QUOTE=highwayman;3725246]
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Originally Posted by KC_Hawker View Post
FWIW - I had a 2007 Ram 1500 for 3 years that NEVER had an issue.

That's great, but I hardly call a truck an indication of stellar reliability after only 3 yrs. Shoot its not even out of warranty. My trouble free 11 yr old Z71, sure. Trouble free 150 k + Nissan, sure. 3 yrs, ummm, no.

A quick check of Jk problems, leaks, ball joints, BCM failures, etc, will show a LOT more problems than the Yota the OP was looking at for a reliable ride. Stuff we live with to have a Jeep.
All those problems listed above and the need of a truck bed is about to push me to buy a truck. I hate it b/c I really like the jeep but its about time for it to go I'm afraid...
05-06-2013 01:32 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
I sounds like a Wrangle would not be to practical for you. Unless you had the space and were willing to buy a small trailer for hauling small things around.
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As the OP described I agree with this.

If mine were a daily driver I would have given up the convertible aspect and went with a 4 runner. I don't rock crawl or mud bog, the Taco or 4runner would handle the trail riding and beach trips.

Now if you see yourself having the top down and doors off often, then get the JKU and a trailer. Keep the Wrangler stock for onroad comfort.

PS: If you plan on highway driving above 70mph with gusty winds, get the hard top. I got to experience hood flutter and soft top lifting off the passenger front door at highway speeds this weekend. Not fun.

I also agree with buying a full size since they are now getting better gas mileage and can haul more.
05-06-2013 01:09 PM
highwayman [QUOTE=KC_Hawker;3706453]FWIW - I had a 2007 Ram 1500 for 3 years that NEVER had an issue.

That's great, but I hardly call a truck an indication of stellar reliability after only 3 yrs. Shoot its not even out of warranty. My trouble free 11 yr old Z71, sure. Trouble free 150 k + Nissan, sure. 3 yrs, ummm, no.

A quick check of Jk problems, leaks, ball joints, BCM failures, etc, will show a LOT more problems than the Yota the OP was looking at for a reliable ride. Stuff we live with to have a Jeep.
05-06-2013 10:12 AM
rics1997 I had a Tacoma. Great truck actually like my dads Nissan better but it still was a great truck. The thing though was I never thought about it. It was a vehicle I owned. A good vehicle but just something that got me from here to there. Now with my Jeep it is a different story. I actually want to get out and drive it. I look at it and smile. It is more then just a vehicle I drive. It is an experience. But thats just me. I never had a group of people gather around my truck and drool. My Jeep on the other hand people will walk out of their way to walk by it just to look closer.
05-06-2013 09:52 AM
ArmyWrangler2012 I think we have nailed it down... just own the jeep for weekends and fun with the doors and top off. Then have a truck for everything else!!!! Now its just that issue of where to find all the money needed to do such a thing.
05-02-2013 08:52 AM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by KC_Hawker View Post
Just curious, if you like toyos, why not look at an FJ? Its a good cross between the 2 and should do everything on your list.
Blind spot on those things are terrible. Bigger side mirrors would probably help I guess.
White top is ugly.
Saw one with red top on black body. Looked better.
05-02-2013 08:30 AM
KC_Hawker Just curious, if you like toyos, why not look at an FJ? Its a good cross between the 2 and should do everything on your list.
05-02-2013 01:28 AM
blackforestgreen i look at that lit and do all of that with my jku and trailer. 2 gsds in the jeep no problem. my 08 jku has been to florida from jersey and back many times and was comfortable for me.. the newer jeeps are even more comfortable. reliability for jeeps, imho, is not an issue either. get the one that makes you happy.
05-01-2013 07:12 PM
GCDMD How about a Honda Ridgeline?? Consumer Reports gave those top ratings.












Sorry. Couldn't help myself. OP- have you made your choice yet??
05-01-2013 01:53 PM
the Grouch
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Originally Posted by Bar01 View Post
I should have elaborated a bit more on intended use besides being a daily driver:
- eventually pull a small camper
- haul bigger dog around
- long road trips
- no off-roading that I can foresee but could see taking it on dirt roads/fire trails.
- need something that does well in the snow
- hauling stuff like lawn mower to get fixed, small home improvement materials, small landscaping projects
- love the old school stick shift
It seems a pickup would serve your needs better than a Wrangler. As many have pointed out a full size truck will cost about the same as a Tacoma, get about the same mpg and tow and carry more than a Tacoma. The Taco takes a little less real state on the driveway, though.

I would also look at the Nissan Frontier, pretty similar to the Tacoma.
05-01-2013 01:24 PM
KC_Hawker
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Based on your list, a truck. Love the Jeep, but can't imagine not having a truck. Unlike some, I'd hardly say Chrysler is on par with Toyota quality.
FWIW - I had a 2007 Ram 1500 for 3 years that NEVER had an issue.

Back to topic. My 2 cents. I was in a similiar but not the same situation. I was young married, with a kid on the way and moving into a house. I needed to replace a car back in 1994. I looked at 2 loss leaders in the local paper, a Wrangler without a back seat and an Isuzu pickup since my ex wanted to use my existing car (89 t-top camaro) as the family vehicle. Both just under $10K. I listened to the advice of my father and brother about how I needed a truck for the house, and a small pickup got a few more MPG than a full size or the Jeep. Was told I needed to "grow up" and think of my family. I got the truck and regretted the decision ever since. Everytime I went to get a new vehicle, I couldn't-single dad with 2 kids made it kind of hard to justify forcing my 6' son in the back seat. When the kids moved back with their mom after 9 years, the first time I replaced my truck, I got my Jeep and I have never been happier.

Like my ex willing to use a Camaro as a family car, if its something you love, you will sacrifice for it and make it work. Only you know what you really want - don't let enyone talk you out of it.
05-01-2013 12:39 PM
mang318
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Based on your list, a truck. Love the Jeep, but can't imagine not having a truck. Unlike some, I'd hardly say Chrysler is on par with Toyota quality.
Agree 100%
05-01-2013 12:26 PM
highwayman Based on your list, a truck. Love the Jeep, but can't imagine not having a truck. Unlike some, I'd hardly say Chrysler is on par with Toyota quality.
05-01-2013 12:26 PM
mang318 Even though I don't have a JK, I love my 06 TJ but my dad has an 08 Tacoma off road edition and I love that as well. Even though he does have standard street tirees on it, it has 4x4 with the rear locker from the factory and that truck will go through pretty much anything that my jeep does and I've got a 3'' lift with 33's. Now obviously a jeep and a truck are alot different, but it depends on what youre going to be doing. If youre going to be carrying stuff and towing stuff, you may want to consider the tacoma. If not, then go with the jeep since they are more fun and easier to mod. I love both of these vehicles and I think you will be happy with your decision whichever way you go.

-Mike
05-01-2013 12:21 PM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by i82much View Post

Yeah I know the rear brakes do a lot less of the braking than the front. I would imagine that changes somewhat as the load in the back increases or you are towing something. I had a Silverado with rear drum and never had any noticeable brake fade. While I have plenty of suspicions about GM, I think their truck engineers are pretty darn good.
I agree.
They did have rear disc for a while but ran into a few issues. I have a 01 that has disc on the rear.
05-01-2013 12:17 PM
i82much
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You do know only 30% or so of the breaking comes from the rear? For lots of folks rear disk brakes is more about maintenance then any other thing. Of course the fact that they disperse heat better is nice.

Well you do have the folks that want them just so they can say they have them.
Yeah I know the rear brakes do a lot less of the braking than the front. I would imagine that changes somewhat as the load in the back increases or you are towing something. I had a Silverado with rear drum and never had any noticeable brake fade. While I have plenty of suspicions about GM, I think their truck engineers are pretty darn good.
05-01-2013 12:12 PM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by i82much View Post
Re: rear disc on a vehicle, I could care less. The question is whether the brakes perform well, not the particular technology they use. Rear drums have greater static clamping power than a similarly-sized rear disc. I would leave the engineering to the engineers and only worry about whether you can actually discern a difference in the performance.
Only 30% or so of the breaking comes from the rear. For lots of folks rear disk brakes is more about maintenance then any other thing. Of course the fact that they disperse heat better is nice.

Well you do have the folks that want them just so they can say they have them.
05-01-2013 12:04 PM
i82much Re: rear disc on a vehicle, I could care less. The question is whether the brakes perform well, not the particular technology they use. Rear drums have greater static clamping power than a similarly-sized rear disc. I would leave the engineering to the engineers and only worry about whether you can actually discern a difference in the performance.
05-01-2013 11:56 AM
afd660 I told myself I would never own another Toyota. After owning 2 Tundras 07 and an 08, the trucks never gave me any trouble, the customer service from dealerships and the 1800 number customer service is whats making me anti-Toyota now. Tried to get my headlights adjusted on my 07 Tundra, on coming drivers thought I had my highbeams on. Service manager said those headlights are non-adjustable.

Noticed when I got my oil changed they were using 10w30 oil when it called for 0w20 or something like that, anyways it wasn't the same weight oil that was stated in the owners manual. Called the 1800 number and asked them what the iforce5.7 takes for oil and they told me, asked them if I use a 10w30 oil during changes ( whichever weight the dealership used) will it void my warranty. CS operator said "yes, it will definitely void the warranty because the engine needs a certain weight of oil and that it could already be voided because of this. Then I asked well then why is the dealership using the wrong weight of oil when I bring it into them for changes? CS operator said "oh, if the service manager signs off on it then it should be ok". Also asked about the headlights being adjusted... never got a straight answer... was told if I had a heavy load in the truck bed or aftermarket tires and rims etc etc. Never a straight answer and always put the blame on me until I told them what the service manager or service center did. 07 Tundra I had for 3 years and the 08 for 3 months. PHUC Toyota.

Only complaint on the Jeep so far is the clock loses time, about a minute or 2 a week. Had the Jeep for a little over a year now.

But from what you said you would need to use for I think a truck would be fine. My 2 cents is to stay away from Toyota though.
05-01-2013 11:30 AM
rogueleader I just traded a 2011 Tacoma TRD Off-Road 4x4 for a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon simply because the JK was already built, with bumpers, rails, and lift. I got it for the same payments I was making on the Taco. The Tacoma was, and is a great truck. The only problem I had with it off-road, was it wasn't tall enough. I could have put a lift on it, but when I showed the wife the Rubicon, she decided I should buy it. I felt guilty for a few days, but I really like the Jeep. The Taco was getting 5 to 7 more miles per gallon of gas, it could haul a lot more than it should, and the towing capacity was 6500 lbs. I ran a lot of trails with built Jeeps, and the only trails I wouldn't go on were rated at 3.5 or higher.
05-01-2013 10:52 AM
fan of fanboys I recently sold my wrangler bc of a new job and was torn between Tacoma and Sierra. After comparing I went with Sierra. I can easily drive 600+ miles a week with job and Tacoma didn't save me much over Sierra while lacking many features and comfort and ability for towing and storage.
One day I'll buy another wrangler for weekends and summers where only drive with doors off.
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