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05-15-2013 01:12 PM
bluebox3000
Cost for diesel engine

Not buying the whole argument for charging $4500 for a diesel option.

If you look around the price difference between gas and diesel versions of cars is all over the place, with Jeep being the most expensive.

Just look at Mercedes GL. The diesel version is $1500 cheaper that the comparable gas version.

BMW X5 it is the other way around with the diesel $1500 more.

For the different VW versions there is about a $2000 premium or so.

The Wrangler is already shipped all over with diesels so the development cost is minimal. I think they are more just trying to milk the market and essentially not interested in moving forward technology wise.

With Fiat technology Chrysler could become the leading US manufacturer of diesel vehicles. Shame they are not using the opportunity.....
05-15-2013 12:23 PM
brian d I noted this a few months ago. Living in metro detroit, I saw a JKU rubicon and a JK sport with manufacture plates cruising down I-75 by Auburn Hills. The thing that caught my eye was the sticker near the fuel filler "DIESEL FUEL ONLY". This was probably 6 months ago. I will try to find the crappy pictures I took. The driver of the Rubicon even threw me a wave as he drove by.
05-15-2013 11:19 AM
CRDWrangler
The current Wrangler Diesel Engine

Hi !

A little more information about the current CRD engine, used in Wranglers. I know, it's not available in the US, but here's some info about the engine;

VM Motori S.p.A.

And the spec's for the engine on a standard Wrangler;

VM Motori S.p.A.

CRDWrangler
05-11-2013 01:00 PM
n00g7 Getting price raped at the dealer is worth the sound of a turbo diesel.
05-11-2013 12:56 PM
Sgt93
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1158 View Post
I'm sorry but, compared to WHAT ???

compared to the RAPING of +/-$8,000 you pay for diesel in a full size pick up??

you think its fine to pay an ADDITIONAL $4,500 above the 3.6 that the jeep ALREADY COMES WITH to get a diesel ? ?

Does it REALLY cost $4,500 more to produce this motor?

Look at imports, how can VW sell you a a TDI Passat for $1,000 less then a V6..Look at Mercedes, or other European makers..

i'm sorry but to me this is the OIL MONGER American government trying to controll how many Diesels are sold in America.. I know Jeep is FIAT owned now but it seems they are under the same unbrella that GM and Ford are under when it comes to diesel. The "Oil Boys" don't want us getting better mileage.. unless it's Hydrid (PUKE) cuz that makes their tree hugger voters happy..

As an old timer that had a Diesel pick up back in the 70s or 80s if they remember paying 15-20% more for it..... my money says the answer is no...
As many have stated, they will have no problem selling them. Maybe it's not for you, and I respect your opinion. Would a lower price be nicer, of course. The $4500 factor is using the diesel Cherokee as an example.

The main cost increases in diesels come from the high cost of injectors and their HPFP. For example, my 11 6.7 F250, the engine was just shy of 8K for the upgrade.

The Volkswagen prices, as well as Mercedes include a turbo or supercharged engine, or a a diesel option, since the price of turbo engines are higher, you will not see as much of a price difference compared to a non turbo engine compared to a turbo engine or a diesel engine.

None the less, a diesel Wrangler will sell like hotcakes in the US, whether a $2500 upgrade, or a $2500 upgrade, sales will be high, and I will be on the waiting list.
05-11-2013 12:35 PM
mike1158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt93 View Post
It will sell like hotcakes at $4500. That's not a bad price at all for a diesel upgrade.
I'm sorry but, compared to WHAT ???

compared to the RAPING of +/-$8,000 you pay for diesel in a full size pick up??

you think its fine to pay an ADDITIONAL $4,500 above the 3.6 that the jeep ALREADY COMES WITH to get a diesel ? ?

Does it REALLY cost $4,500 more to produce this motor?

Look at imports, how can VW sell you a a TDI Passat for $1,000 less then a V6..Look at Mercedes, or other European makers..

i'm sorry but to me this is the OIL MONGER American government trying to controll how many Diesels are sold in America.. I know Jeep is FIAT owned now but it seems they are under the same unbrella that GM and Ford are under when it comes to diesel. The "Oil Boys" don't want us getting better mileage.. unless it's Hydrid (PUKE) cuz that makes their tree hugger voters happy..

As an old timer that had a Diesel pick up back in the 70s or 80s if they remember paying 15-20% more for it..... my money says the answer is no...
05-11-2013 12:20 PM
Sgt93
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Originally Posted by IndyJeepMan View Post
The simplier the better on diesels thats why the old Cummins 8v and 12v engines get great mileage, as well as the old VW engines.

Mines very loud and dirty, its a 4bt, but far reliable and easy to work on (mechanical) than any gasser ive owned and while it only has 120hp and 320ft/lbs or torque it spins my 37" tires up to 80mph comfortably with 3.54 gears. And also gets an estimated 24mpg.

If I were in the market for a new Jeep and there was the option a diesel would have zero cons for me. Better torque, mileage, towing power, longer service intervals and ease of maintenance. Also very easy to add power, atleast on my mech. 4bt its as simple as adding fuel with the turn of a few screws
I had an 07 Cummins 5.9 (last year for that iconic engine) and sold it 4 years later for an 11 F250 6.7, lost only $2500 from the new price. Worst decision I ever made. I should have just invested in a better built tranny (48RE sucks stock, but when built up is amazing) and been done with it.
05-11-2013 11:40 AM
IndyJeepMan The simplier the better on diesels thats why the old Cummins 8v and 12v engines get great mileage, as well as the old VW engines.

Mines very loud and dirty, its a 4bt, but far reliable and easy to work on (mechanical) than any gasser ive owned and while it only has 120hp and 320ft/lbs or torque it spins my 37" tires up to 80mph comfortably with 3.54 gears. And also gets an estimated 24mpg.

If I were in the market for a new Jeep and there was the option a diesel would have zero cons for me. Better torque, mileage, towing power, longer service intervals and ease of maintenance. Also very easy to add power, atleast on my mech. 4bt its as simple as adding fuel with the turn of a few screws
05-09-2013 03:10 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz Based upon the GC pricing model, a wrangler Diesel in the USA would be priced in the $50,000 range. Heck with mods some folks will be approaching the $80,000 range.

Maybe others have no problem dropping that kind of cash for a vehicle to beat up off road..not me. What can you do to a gas JK or TJ for $50,000?
05-09-2013 01:23 PM
TOK I think they've only put it in the higher end Grand Cherokee's to get the early adopters. It will probably be an optional engine in the Laredo after a couple of years. Would not surprise me at all if they make it a Sahara/Rubicon offering only in the Wrangler for the first couple of years too.

Fine with me... The Pentastar was an established engine, but sure seemed to have its share of issues the first year in the Wranglers. I'd rather wait until 2nd or 3rd year production for the Diesel anyway.
05-09-2013 01:21 PM
Osage Orange
Quote:
Originally Posted by JK Coaster View Post
I agree. I'm thinking of a 2014 GC diesel for me to compliment my wife's 2012 Wrangler. But for the 2014 GC the V-6 gas is now up to EPA 17 - 24 vs. the diesel 21 - 28. Towing is up to 6,200 lbs. for gas vs 7,200 lbs. for the diesel. In the model I want it looks like the premium for diesel would be closer to $7,500 than $4,500. So it doesn’t look like the diesel math will work out for me, at least in the cheaper GC models.

I really like the torque numbers, but 290 HP for Pentastar gas vs. 240 HP for diesel is going to be a trade off. It looks like both versions turn about 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile according to Car and Driver.

Here is the link to the C/D review.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel V-6 First Drive – Review – Car and Driver

Also, for those interested, their new June issue has a five way comparo of diesel SUVs with the GC included.
Offering the 3.0 CRD in the $30,795 Laredo GC for $35,295 would've been a smarter way of promoting the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee. This just makes it harder for the trickle down effect to benefit us Wrangler owners.
05-09-2013 01:01 PM
JK Coaster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris4x4Center View Post
More torque = I can crawl over more things.
Better MPG= I can crawl over things farther away.

A Diesel belongs in a Jeep Wrangler, its only a matter of time before this new 3.0L VM diesel becomes an option in 2015 or 2016. It all depends on how it does in the Grand Cherokee.
I agree. I'm thinking of a 2014 GC diesel for me to compliment my wife's 2012 Wrangler. But for the 2014 GC the V-6 gas is now up to EPA 17 - 24 vs. the diesel 21 - 28. Towing is up to 6,200 lbs. for gas vs 7,200 lbs. for the diesel. In the model I want it looks like the premium for diesel would be closer to $7,500 than $4,500. So it doesn’t look like the diesel math will work out for me, at least in the cheaper GC models.

I really like the torque numbers, but 290 HP for Pentastar gas vs. 240 HP for diesel is going to be a trade off. It looks like both versions turn about 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile according to Car and Driver.

Here is the link to the C/D review.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel V-6 First Drive – Review – Car and Driver

Also, for those interested, their new June issue has a five way comparo of diesel SUVs with the GC included.
05-09-2013 12:47 PM
Osage Orange
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt93 View Post
It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
True and considering a comparable long block replacement diesel engine would be close to $4500, having it installed at the factory for that cost is cheap.
05-09-2013 12:44 PM
reade
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
It's all over if wrangler gets a diesel. I will sell body parts if I have to
Hannibal Lecter said the same thing one time.
05-09-2013 12:31 PM
jkjeeper06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt93 View Post
It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
This.

The fuel is a moot point. It's 10-15% more money but 50% better mileage. Pretty obvious your fuel bill would go down

Also on another note. Eurea is only added every 10k. Not 6. Want to go longer? Add a bigger tank. Or just keep a gallon in the garage similarly to washer fluid. Top off eurea every time you add washer fluid. It really isn't that hard
05-09-2013 12:23 PM
Sgt93 It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
05-09-2013 12:16 PM
Morris4x4Center More torque = I can crawl over more things.
Better MPG= I can crawl over things farther away.

A Diesel belongs in a Jeep Wrangler, its only a matter of time before this new 3.0L VM diesel becomes an option in 2015 or 2016. It all depends on how it does in the Grand Cherokee.
05-09-2013 11:10 AM
bt_osu The torque would be awesome, but higher fuel costs, way higher maintenance costs, and the fact you might need to use urea like you do in super duty trucks every 6,000 miles, might not make it worth it to me? The EPA emissions on diesels has made them not as attractive to me as they were 5 years ago, before all of this bs emissions regulation.
05-09-2013 11:06 AM
LUISF9 $4000 option = +- 1150 gallons of gas @ $3.50 = +- 17000 miles @ 15mpg. As much as I would love a diesel in my wrangler, paying 15% more than a gas version does not make $$ sense. What is the justification for such a diff. in price? profit I think. Car dealers are not in the car business to sell you their car, they are there to make money. Never forget that.
05-09-2013 10:43 AM
Sgt93
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lusus_Naturae View Post
If they were smart they would offer it at less than a $4500 upgrade. It would sell like hotcakes if the upgrade was $2000. Unless, that's the point - then they can drop it and argue that there wasn't enough demand for diesel engines. If they don't outprice us on the option they will have plenty of demand - and people actually buying too.
It will sell like hotcakes at $4500. That's not a bad price at all for a diesel upgrade.
05-09-2013 10:39 AM
Lusus_Naturae If they were smart they would offer it at less than a $4500 upgrade. It would sell like hotcakes if the upgrade was $2000. Unless, that's the point - then they can drop it and argue that there wasn't enough demand for diesel engines. If they don't outprice us on the option they will have plenty of demand - and people actually buying too.
05-09-2013 10:10 AM
Osage Orange
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
It's all over if wrangler gets a diesel. I will sell body parts if I have to
Hopefully they don't force you to buy a tarted up Sahara or Rubicon model just to get the diesel option for us minimalist/ purist types like they are doing with the Grand Cherokee diesel option. Can't get one in a basic Laredo model GC ($30,795), you have to buy a Limited model GC starting at $37,795 then select the $4500 diesel (a fair engine price) which further forces you to get the Luxury Group option in conjunction to the engine adding $7500 to the Limited starting price for a grand total of: $46,290!!!!

Please let the future Wrangler diesel option be a simple $4500 upgrade to all Wrangler models Chrysler!
05-09-2013 09:49 AM
Sgt93 That 420lbs of torque will do wonders off road. I really wish this would happen. My 13 JKUR is the first non-diesel I have owned in a decade or so. If you take care of a diesel, they will last quite some time, more MPG, more torque. When you add a tuner, it will blow your mind.

The new negatives are adding fluid, but it's not that big of a deal. Less MPG than a few years ago before all of these restrictive emissions components, if something does go wrong out of warranty, diesels cost a small fortune to repair, but again, warranty's are normally 100K on engine (2500 trucks and above at least).
05-09-2013 08:39 AM
CRDWrangler
CRD diesel engine

Quote:
Originally Posted by domr View Post
I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?

Hi!

No it's not noticeable. The engine is fairly civilized, no abnormal sooth, smoke or smells...
05-07-2013 01:05 PM
Wranglin4Life
Quote:
Originally Posted by domr View Post
I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?
Very doubtful.
05-07-2013 12:55 PM
domr I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?
05-07-2013 08:10 AM
Michel347 A friend of mine who is living in France has a 2012 JK with the 2.8L CRD diesel engine.

He told me that he did try it with the manual and auto trans and also tried the penta 3.6L with the manual transmission.

He mentionned that there is a big difference on the diesel engine with the auto and manual transmissions. Both are giving 200ch but the manual delivers 302 lbs-ft at 2600 tr/min and the auto delivers 339 lbs-ft at 1600 rpm. This is the reason he went with the automatic, he said that with the manual you had to step hard on the gas and make the clutch to suffer. So with the auto is getting 26.5 mpg on average and the 0-60 is done at around 11 seconds.

Finally he said that if it wasn't of the price of gas vs diesel down there he would have got the gasoline engine which was more enjoyable to drive.
05-06-2013 11:32 PM
blackbelt Lol when i was in the market for a new 13 last summer, i asked the dealer if he thought their would be a diesel anytime soon. He told me that the new 3.6 could be converted to diesel by reprogramming the computer. He said its the same diesel engine they use in Europe just retuned for gas. His response made me laugh and order at another dealer.
05-06-2013 09:15 PM
jkjeeper06
Quote:
Originally Posted by tontwins View Post
Sorry should have been more specific http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/su...el_first_test/

They got 23 average on their road trip and they said eventually as high as 26 but with those small tires a wrangler with 35s would maybe get 20 i guess I just thought it would be higher
I was only quoting EPA estimates. It's rated at 30 highway in RWD configuration(other high milage suv's are rated by their fwd configs to advertise higher mileage) but diesels aren't as taxed by things like trailers and larger tires. So a 23% loss (26 to 20) is unlikely just jumping to 35's
05-06-2013 08:45 PM
tontwins Can u not post links? Motor trend tested it and only got 23 t
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