|05-15-2013 02:12 PM|
Cost for diesel engine
Not buying the whole argument for charging $4500 for a diesel option.
If you look around the price difference between gas and diesel versions of cars is all over the place, with Jeep being the most expensive.
Just look at Mercedes GL. The diesel version is $1500 cheaper that the comparable gas version.
BMW X5 it is the other way around with the diesel $1500 more.
For the different VW versions there is about a $2000 premium or so.
The Wrangler is already shipped all over with diesels so the development cost is minimal. I think they are more just trying to milk the market and essentially not interested in moving forward technology wise.
With Fiat technology Chrysler could become the leading US manufacturer of diesel vehicles. Shame they are not using the opportunity.....
|05-15-2013 01:23 PM|
|brian d||I noted this a few months ago. Living in metro detroit, I saw a JKU rubicon and a JK sport with manufacture plates cruising down I-75 by Auburn Hills. The thing that caught my eye was the sticker near the fuel filler "DIESEL FUEL ONLY". This was probably 6 months ago. I will try to find the crappy pictures I took. The driver of the Rubicon even threw me a wave as he drove by.|
|05-15-2013 12:19 PM|
The current Wrangler Diesel Engine
A little more information about the current CRD engine, used in Wranglers. I know, it's not available in the US, but here's some info about the engine;
VM Motori S.p.A.
And the spec's for the engine on a standard Wrangler;
VM Motori S.p.A.
|05-11-2013 02:00 PM|
|n00g7||Getting price raped at the dealer is worth the sound of a turbo diesel.|
|05-11-2013 01:56 PM|
The main cost increases in diesels come from the high cost of injectors and their HPFP. For example, my 11 6.7 F250, the engine was just shy of 8K for the upgrade.
The Volkswagen prices, as well as Mercedes include a turbo or supercharged engine, or a a diesel option, since the price of turbo engines are higher, you will not see as much of a price difference compared to a non turbo engine compared to a turbo engine or a diesel engine.
None the less, a diesel Wrangler will sell like hotcakes in the US, whether a $2500 upgrade, or a $2500 upgrade, sales will be high, and I will be on the waiting list.
|05-11-2013 01:35 PM|
compared to the RAPING of +/-$8,000 you pay for diesel in a full size pick up??
you think its fine to pay an ADDITIONAL $4,500 above the 3.6 that the jeep ALREADY COMES WITH to get a diesel ? ?
Does it REALLY cost $4,500 more to produce this motor?
Look at imports, how can VW sell you a a TDI Passat for $1,000 less then a V6..Look at Mercedes, or other European makers..
i'm sorry but to me this is the OIL MONGER American government trying to controll how many Diesels are sold in America.. I know Jeep is FIAT owned now but it seems they are under the same unbrella that GM and Ford are under when it comes to diesel. The "Oil Boys" don't want us getting better mileage.. unless it's Hydrid (PUKE) cuz that makes their tree hugger voters happy..
As an old timer that had a Diesel pick up back in the 70s or 80s if they remember paying 15-20% more for it..... my money says the answer is no...
|05-11-2013 01:20 PM|
|05-11-2013 12:40 PM|
The simplier the better on diesels thats why the old Cummins 8v and 12v engines get great mileage, as well as the old VW engines.
Mines very loud and dirty, its a 4bt, but far reliable and easy to work on (mechanical) than any gasser ive owned and while it only has 120hp and 320ft/lbs or torque it spins my 37" tires up to 80mph comfortably with 3.54 gears. And also gets an estimated 24mpg.
If I were in the market for a new Jeep and there was the option a diesel would have zero cons for me. Better torque, mileage, towing power, longer service intervals and ease of maintenance. Also very easy to add power, atleast on my mech. 4bt its as simple as adding fuel with the turn of a few screws
|05-09-2013 04:10 PM|
Based upon the GC pricing model, a wrangler Diesel in the USA would be priced in the $50,000 range. Heck with mods some folks will be approaching the $80,000 range.
Maybe others have no problem dropping that kind of cash for a vehicle to beat up off road..not me. What can you do to a gas JK or TJ for $50,000?
|05-09-2013 02:23 PM|
I think they've only put it in the higher end Grand Cherokee's to get the early adopters. It will probably be an optional engine in the Laredo after a couple of years. Would not surprise me at all if they make it a Sahara/Rubicon offering only in the Wrangler for the first couple of years too.
Fine with me... The Pentastar was an established engine, but sure seemed to have its share of issues the first year in the Wranglers. I'd rather wait until 2nd or 3rd year production for the Diesel anyway.
|05-09-2013 02:21 PM|
|05-09-2013 02:01 PM|
I really like the torque numbers, but 290 HP for Pentastar gas vs. 240 HP for diesel is going to be a trade off. It looks like both versions turn about 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile according to Car and Driver.
Here is the link to the C/D review.
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel V-6 First Drive – Review – Car and Driver
Also, for those interested, their new June issue has a five way comparo of diesel SUVs with the GC included.
|05-09-2013 01:47 PM|
|05-09-2013 01:44 PM|
|05-09-2013 01:31 PM|
The fuel is a moot point. It's 10-15% more money but 50% better mileage. Pretty obvious your fuel bill would go down
Also on another note. Eurea is only added every 10k. Not 6. Want to go longer? Add a bigger tank. Or just keep a gallon in the garage similarly to washer fluid. Top off eurea every time you add washer fluid. It really isn't that hard
|05-09-2013 01:23 PM|
It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.
-Gobs of Torque
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance
$4500 well spent.
|05-09-2013 01:16 PM|
More torque = I can crawl over more things.
Better MPG= I can crawl over things farther away.
A Diesel belongs in a Jeep Wrangler, its only a matter of time before this new 3.0L VM diesel becomes an option in 2015 or 2016. It all depends on how it does in the Grand Cherokee.
|05-09-2013 12:10 PM|
|bt_osu||The torque would be awesome, but higher fuel costs, way higher maintenance costs, and the fact you might need to use urea like you do in super duty trucks every 6,000 miles, might not make it worth it to me? The EPA emissions on diesels has made them not as attractive to me as they were 5 years ago, before all of this bs emissions regulation.|
|05-09-2013 12:06 PM|
|LUISF9||$4000 option = +- 1150 gallons of gas @ $3.50 = +- 17000 miles @ 15mpg. As much as I would love a diesel in my wrangler, paying 15% more than a gas version does not make $$ sense. What is the justification for such a diff. in price? profit I think. Car dealers are not in the car business to sell you their car, they are there to make money. Never forget that.|
|05-09-2013 11:43 AM|
|05-09-2013 11:39 AM|
|Lusus_Naturae||If they were smart they would offer it at less than a $4500 upgrade. It would sell like hotcakes if the upgrade was $2000. Unless, that's the point - then they can drop it and argue that there wasn't enough demand for diesel engines. If they don't outprice us on the option they will have plenty of demand - and people actually buying too.|
|05-09-2013 11:10 AM|
Please let the future Wrangler diesel option be a simple $4500 upgrade to all Wrangler models Chrysler!
|05-09-2013 10:49 AM|
That 420lbs of torque will do wonders off road. I really wish this would happen. My 13 JKUR is the first non-diesel I have owned in a decade or so. If you take care of a diesel, they will last quite some time, more MPG, more torque. When you add a tuner, it will blow your mind.
The new negatives are adding fluid, but it's not that big of a deal. Less MPG than a few years ago before all of these restrictive emissions components, if something does go wrong out of warranty, diesels cost a small fortune to repair, but again, warranty's are normally 100K on engine (2500 trucks and above at least).
|05-09-2013 09:39 AM|
CRD diesel engine
No it's not noticeable. The engine is fairly civilized, no abnormal sooth, smoke or smells...
|05-07-2013 02:05 PM|
|05-07-2013 01:55 PM|
|domr||I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?|
|05-07-2013 09:10 AM|
A friend of mine who is living in France has a 2012 JK with the 2.8L CRD diesel engine.
He told me that he did try it with the manual and auto trans and also tried the penta 3.6L with the manual transmission.
He mentionned that there is a big difference on the diesel engine with the auto and manual transmissions. Both are giving 200ch but the manual delivers 302 lbs-ft at 2600 tr/min and the auto delivers 339 lbs-ft at 1600 rpm. This is the reason he went with the automatic, he said that with the manual you had to step hard on the gas and make the clutch to suffer. So with the auto is getting 26.5 mpg on average and the 0-60 is done at around 11 seconds.
Finally he said that if it wasn't of the price of gas vs diesel down there he would have got the gasoline engine which was more enjoyable to drive.
|05-07-2013 12:32 AM|
|blackbelt||Lol when i was in the market for a new 13 last summer, i asked the dealer if he thought their would be a diesel anytime soon. He told me that the new 3.6 could be converted to diesel by reprogramming the computer. He said its the same diesel engine they use in Europe just retuned for gas. His response made me laugh and order at another dealer.|
|05-06-2013 10:15 PM|
|05-06-2013 09:45 PM|
|tontwins||Can u not post links? Motor trend tested it and only got 23 t|
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