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04-17-2014 06:57 PM
2013 Moab
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Originally Posted by ocd_dave View Post
Come to the Northeast right now, the roads look like the surface of the Moon right now
You aint kidding
... sorry to interrupt all of your on going pissing match, please continue to piss.
04-17-2014 06:17 PM
Numbercruncher Question about lockers as used in the illustration below. With the idea behind a locker to "not slip" don't rocks like this provide enough traction that you can break something from side to side? I would think a locker would be real useful in the slick but in what appears to be a high traction situation like this, will a locked axle not be more prone to breaking?

NC


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Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
Take note............one can not always "pick" your lines. There is only one line at this point on this trail (rated 3 out of 5). The YJ is locked on both axles, running 35's and had to be winched over the top here. I had one of my lockers malfunction once and had a hell of a time getting over this one on 37's with 12psi in them.

Also, when on Forest Service land in this area, they require one to stay in the tracks, run a minimum of 33" (actual measure) tires and have at least one locking axle.
So, if you are going to wheel your rig, you might want to get with local 4X4 clubs in your area to see what the requirements are needed to do what you want to do before making any decisions. Good Luck!
02-22-2014 02:32 PM
therandomhero
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Originally Posted by Krawlersaur View Post
So you are saying that its driver based. I got it, and very much agree with that. So, take the worlds best driver, whoever that is. Wouldn't he be able to do more in a stock rubi than in a stock sport? I mean, at that point only the vehicle is what's holding him back.
Haha! I own a TJ. My neighbor is the guy I originally quoted. His Rubi is either gutless or he can't drive, lol... Inside joke
02-22-2014 12:50 PM
ocd_dave
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Originally Posted by JKJeepit View Post
and come out west and we can show you some moon type surfaces...
Come to the Northeast right now, the roads look like the surface of the Moon right now
02-22-2014 11:51 AM
JKJeepit once you start modifying a sport is it still a sport??

my buddy has put about 15K in a Shara and we call it a Rubi+... it's no longer a Shara not even close..

this goes for each model.... A sport is a Great place to start... then if you find you have to modify it to do the trails you want then start the mods....
All a Rubicon gets you is further up the trail...

and come out west and we can show you some moon type surfaces...
02-22-2014 11:46 AM
i82much
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
The only useful purpose a thread like this could possibly serve is to compare the list of standard features. Beyond that it's a bunch of subjective cock squawking.
I'm on my second rubicon and i ain't building jack. SQUAWK!!!!!
02-22-2014 11:43 AM
terrabit The only useful purpose a thread like this could possibly serve is to compare the list of standard features. Beyond that it's a bunch of subjective cock squawking.

PS: I'm on my second rubicon and I think I would have been better off building a sport.
02-22-2014 11:23 AM
i82much
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
funny how some people exaggerate so bad. I have yet to read any rubicon owner post even remotely like was stated above.

out of the box straight from the factory sports are pretty capable vehicles. Out of the box straight from the factory Rubicons are more capable. Some magazines have said that Rubicons are the most capable stock vehicle available to the general public. They don't say that about sports or saharas. Are they capable yes they are just not as capable rubicons right from the get go. I understand why people do not need or want rubicons or even sports but it is always funny reading the comments on both sides. I loved my 2013 Sport unlimited I love my 14 rubicon more. For about the same amount of money I could have put lockers, changed gearing and added a rubicon t/c to my sport but it was just easier to get the rubicon.

I guess it is kind of like ordering a large bowl of soup vs a small bowl of soup. I might only eat a small bowl portion from my large bowl and perhaps the left over will go to waste, but dang if I am extra hungry I am glad I got the large bowl.
It is exactly like soup.
02-22-2014 11:01 AM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by donmeca2020 View Post
i love how the Rubicon owners always chime in one of these threads with their ridiculous posts... well my rubicon can fly and drive under water.... " Oh thats nothing my rubicon has went out of space and it has been off roading on moon.



There supposedly is some feat that a rubicon can do that no other vehicle is capable of....
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Originally Posted by Cdwright View Post
No one is saying that a Rubicon is all of that. Just out of the box, the Rubicon has some advantages over the sport related to rock crawling, etc due to disco, lockers, tcase, etc.

funny how some people exaggerate so bad. I have yet to read any rubicon owner post even remotely like was stated above.

out of the box straight from the factory sports are pretty capable vehicles. Out of the box straight from the factory Rubicons are more capable. Some magazines have said that Rubicons are the most capable stock vehicle available to the general public. They don't say that about sports or saharas. Are they capable yes they are just not as capable rubicons right from the get go. I understand why people do not need or want rubicons or even sports but it is always funny reading the comments on both sides. I loved my 2013 Sport unlimited I love my 14 rubicon more. For about the same amount of money I could have put lockers, changed gearing and added a rubicon t/c to my sport but it was just easier to get the rubicon.

I guess it is kind of like ordering a large bowl of soup vs a small bowl of soup. I might only eat a small bowl portion from my large bowl and perhaps the left over will go to waste, but dang if I am extra hungry I am glad I got the large bowl.
02-22-2014 11:00 AM
lando76 Ive owned an 01 sport, 04 rubicon and now a 13 sport. Having owned the Rubicon and it's D44s, lockers and crawl ratio, If I had it to do over again I would have saved more for the Rubicon.

All Jeeps will wheel just fine, but I miss throwing it in first gear, taking my foot off the pedal and just guiding. As another has mentioned, if you price it out seperately it becomes more than what the difference of the two are. My only suggestion is if your going to spend the extra money on the Rubi, make sure your going to use what you paid extra for.
02-22-2014 10:41 AM
Cdwright
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Originally Posted by donmeca2020 View Post
i love how the Rubicon owners always chime in one of these threads with their ridiculous posts... well my rubicon can fly and drive under water.... " Oh thats nothing my rubicon has went out of space and it has been off roading on moon. There supposedly is some feat that a rubicon can do that no other vehicle is capable of....
No one is saying that a Rubicon is all of that. Just out of the box, the Rubicon has some advantages over the sport related to rock crawling, etc due to disco, lockers, tcase, etc.
02-22-2014 10:07 AM
panthermark Tires and possible LSD aside...

Take a stock Sport/Sahara with an open diff vs a Rubi.

In 2H....there is no real difference.
In 4H....there is no real difference.
In 4L....there is no contest.

It all depends on how you will use the vehicle.

Get what best fits your needs. Case closed
02-22-2014 10:04 AM
GCDMD
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Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
Ain't here to "Bust your Balls" at all!!! Just confirm what you said.
And by the time you add in tires and some other stuff = $15K. if you do it right. And it hard to put a dollar value on what it will take to KEEP the Hot Chick in the passenger seat.
And for those who think the 4:1 Transfer case and 4.10 gears are too slow; you need to follow me!! I have a 4:1 TC and 5.38's and still think I could stand deeper reduction. Not for the power, but to be able to go slower yet in the technical stuff

I love popping mine in 4 lo and putting it in 1st gear and going down a steep grade without using brakes at all. The low gearing is amazing for serious offroading whether it be climbing or navigating a steep decline.
BTW- your pics are amazing, I always cringe whenever I see the positions you put your rubi in!
02-22-2014 10:03 AM
dwindeck Sooo, let's go back to before 2004. There was no "Rubicon", so you bought a Sport or Sahara, then some, not all, started adding lockers, 4 to 1 transfer case, sway bar disconnects ect,ect. A few guys at jeep knew and understood these benefits and went "underground" and put these items in a couple jeeps that were part of a corporate "fun day" the big wigs wondered why these two jeeps were doing so much better...in a nut shell, that's why we have the Rubicon. So yes the Rubicon is a better all around "OFF ROAD" jeep then a sport.
02-22-2014 09:50 AM
Breitling I am driving Sport S and that is all I need form Wrangler, I added steps/running boards from Sahara, better tires and tons of small Mopar & not made parts and I am done with it, but again I am not going to rock climbing competitions. For snow and dirt my Sport S is just perfect. It is dirty sleeping outside, ready for another snow storm and if I need something better and luxury for better weather than now in NJ - I would drive my benzy
02-22-2014 09:49 AM
JKJeepit
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
If you have two equal drivers or at least with in 5% of each other and 1 stock rubicon and 1 stock sport as they come equipped from the factory with no options the Rubicon will spank the sport in off road conditions. The sport might win a 0-60 contest. It would take a much better driver for the sport to compete in any off road challenge due to tires, lockers, gear rations, t/c ratio, shocks, disconnects etc.
this ^^^^
the original post said stock vs stock.... I've driven both...attempted the same obstetricals. and even if you don't like the answer its the Rubicon that wins...

now modifying a Jeep is totally different... first thing I would do on a stock sport is install disco..

anyhow this thread is old.. I'm sure the op has bought his Jeep by now...
02-22-2014 09:42 AM
clull05rubi this is such an easy stupid debate 2 setttle and its plain and simple fact. if u want the best rig u can buy 4 wheeling from the factory buy a Rubicon. If u want a dd mall crawler decent off road rig then get a sport or whatever other model. Its usually the ppl that couldn't afford the Rubicon that try 2 justify the most why a sport is better. U just gotta understand that even if not admitted by a sport owner, a rubicon is the best rig from factory for 4 wheeling and a sport is better 4 dd. its that simple. If somebody thinks a sport is anywhere near as capable offroad as a rubicon then theyre either just jealous cuz they culdnt get a rubicon or theyre just plain dumb. sorry but its the plain and simple truth
02-22-2014 09:35 AM
jadmt Take two = drivers and a totally stock rubicon and let the sport add = tires, disconnects, LSD in rear and still the rubicon will spank, add 3.73 gears to the sport and still a ways apart. add front lockers and rear lockers and things are getting equal.
02-22-2014 09:33 AM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by Krawlersaur View Post
So you are saying that its driver based. I got it, and very much agree with that. So, take the worlds best driver, whoever that is. Wouldn't he be able to do more in a stock rubi than in a stock sport? I mean, at that point only the vehicle is what's holding him back.
If you have two equal drivers or at least with in 5% of each other and 1 stock rubicon and 1 stock sport as they come equipped from the factory with no options the Rubicon will spank the sport in off road conditions. The sport might win a 0-60 contest. It would take a much better driver for the sport to compete in any off road challenge due to tires, lockers, gear rations, t/c ratio, shocks, disconnects etc.
02-22-2014 09:24 AM
Krawlersaur
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Originally Posted by therandomhero View Post

I'll prove you wrong buddy
So you are saying that its driver based. I got it, and very much agree with that. So, take the worlds best driver, whoever that is. Wouldn't he be able to do more in a stock rubi than in a stock sport? I mean, at that point only the vehicle is what's holding him back.
02-22-2014 09:14 AM
donmeca2020
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Originally Posted by therandomhero View Post
I'll prove you wrong buddy
i love how the Rubicon owners always chime in one of these threads with their ridiculous posts... well my rubicon can fly and drive under water.... " Oh thats nothing my rubicon has went out of space and it has been off roading on moon.



There supposedly is some feat that a rubicon can do that no other vehicle is capable of....
02-22-2014 06:57 AM
ocd_dave
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Originally Posted by therandomhero View Post
I'll prove you wrong buddy
Stir the pot much?
02-22-2014 06:30 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by therandomhero View Post

I'll prove you wrong buddy
Well you got the talking part over with. Looking forward to the videos and blogs.
02-22-2014 03:43 AM
bbili Most threads like this are childish. Start out good/innocent enough but end up a pissing match.
02-22-2014 03:15 AM
tlminh
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Originally Posted by sideburn View Post
Buy a Jeep and shut up. This is discussed ad nauseam...
Who pissed in your cereal bowl?
02-22-2014 01:14 AM
sideburn Buy a Jeep and shut up. This is discussed ad nauseam...
02-22-2014 12:15 AM
marslim
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Originally Posted by socalwk View Post
No…you just have to find the Sport guys who actually spend the money to upgrade.
Yea and the Rubicon guys will say they got bang for their buck.... It doesn't end
02-21-2014 11:40 PM
socalwk No…you just have to find the Sport guys who actually spend the money to upgrade.
02-21-2014 11:33 PM
marslim Why is this even a thread... Rubicon guys will say Rubicon others will say sport... It never goes anywhere
02-21-2014 11:05 PM
therandomhero
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Originally Posted by sniperJ View Post
Off the lot with stock equipment, standard Wrangler can't do what the Rubicon will. You can build your Wrangler and out-perform the Rubicon, but stock is as stock does...hands down, Wrangler can't go where Rubicon can
I'll prove you wrong buddy
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