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09-25-2013 01:10 PM
JKS
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Originally Posted by DallasJKU View Post
I decided to stick with my 5100's. I like that they are firm. I lowered my tire pressure to 26-28psi and while I lose a little of the handling, but the ride is much better. And it was free when changing basically new shocks would not be a good idea. When I add a little weight the 5100's will be the perfect shock for me right now.
Did it effect your MPG much? I have the 5100's with a RE 2.5 lift sitting at my home waiting to be installed. I was always under the impression that running 24-26 PSI vs 32-35 would drop it significantly.

And for clarity, I don't much care if the MPG goes down. Not trying to be economical when it comes to MPG (I bought a wrangler after all...). Just curious in general.
09-09-2013 02:38 PM
DallasJKU
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Originally Posted by 4x4n View Post
I have the 5100's with my AEV lift and I think they are not that harsh at all. I would say only slightly firmer than stock, really happy with them. I do have the heavier AEV bumpers with the Moab edition, and they are supposed to be tuned by AEV for the JK, so maybe that does actually make a difference.
I decided to stick with my 5100's. I like that they are firm. I lowered my tire pressure to 26-28psi and while I lose a little of the handling, but the ride is much better. And it was free when changing basically new shocks would not be a good idea. When I add a little weight the 5100's will be the perfect shock for me right now.
08-29-2013 07:33 PM
4x4n I have the 5100's with my AEV lift and I think they are not that harsh at all. I would say only slightly firmer than stock, really happy with them. I do have the heavier AEV bumpers with the Moab edition, and they are supposed to be tuned by AEV for the JK, so maybe that does actually make a difference.
08-29-2013 02:40 PM
HK_Runner The 5100s seem to have two type or two product numbers, it seems. For example, on RK's site, they use one set for the short-arm kit and another set for the long-arm kit. Does Bilstein build a softer-tuned one for the short arm and a slightly stiffer one for the long-arm? I often see these two different model numbers but they seem to be the same lengths. Is that right?

My 5100s have become more compliant with time and they dampen better now. They isolate hard hits better now too. My MTR Kevlar tires' sidewalls are very stiff too, so I am running them at 24 PSI on the road. I bet they are stiffer than D-rated tires in the same size. I live with them due to the tough 3-ply sidewall and great performance on trails/rocks.
08-29-2013 02:05 PM
DallasJKU
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
2 door 4 door will make a difference, weight will also. Low caster/ steeper front CA angles will cause a rougher feel to the road. Pair with a firmer shock and the ride is going to suck. That's why you get so many varying opinions on shocks, everybody's rig is set up differently.
Some shocks are actually tuned or valved specifically for the Jk by the lift company that sells them ex. AEV/Bilstein and Teraflex/Fox. Choose the wrong shock for your setup and you're going to hate life. this is where the 9000's shine. Set to whatever is best for your setup and rock on
I run a relatively light Jeep with no skids or winch and light bumpers and TF tire carrier. I'm ok with the 5100's, but I really think the ride could be better. On flat streets they are great. They start to become too stiff with imperfections. Going to give the 9000's a try when the sale starts soon.
06-13-2013 06:24 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Green Bay TJ View Post
Rancho - I have a 2013 JKU with a 2" BDS budget lift. I think the quadratec "shock advisor" lists different shocks than what I saw on the Rancho web site. So for my setup, I'm guessing I would want RS999326 up front and either RS999328 or RS999330 in back. Which is it? Also, if you can please post collapsed and extended lengths for these shocks. Finally, I'm guessing the rear pair would need to go in tube down to access the valve, correct?
You will be fine with the 29Xl front and 30Xl rear with bumpstop extensions.
06-13-2013 05:57 PM
Green Bay TJ Rancho - I have a 2013 JKU with a 2" BDS budget lift. I think the quadratec "shock advisor" lists different shocks than what I saw on the Rancho web site. So for my setup, I'm guessing I would want RS999326 up front and either RS999328 or RS999330 in back. Which is it? Also, if you can please post collapsed and extended lengths for these shocks. Finally, I'm guessing the rear pair would need to go in tube down to access the valve, correct?
06-13-2013 09:26 AM
Rancho
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
Are the Ranchos adjustable for compression and rebound? What is the percentage difference between stiffest and softest?
Yes they are adjustable for for compression and rebound.
And the percentage difference is still about 400%.
06-12-2013 09:17 PM
Rancho
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Sick rigs ^
They are truly Arabian Stallions for what they do! Highly temperamental, but when their A game is on, watch out! You have to have an amazing race car to win that day. It is an event I highly encourage everyone witness once and support.

One more, and back to my Rancho side.



06-12-2013 09:07 PM
kjeeper10 Sick rigs ^
06-12-2013 08:21 PM
Rancho
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
Are the Ranchos adjustable for compression and rebound? What is the percentage difference between stiffest and softest?
Percentage difference is %400, I know this.

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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
50/50 I believe. There's a huge difference between 1 and 9.
I "think" this is right, I remember talking with one of our guys out at King of the Hammers while I was "DynoMax Exhaust" ( I am he as a manufacturer on here too) but I was in "race mode".

The DynoMax side.... go fast crawl over INSANE obstacles, spend LOTS AND LOTS of money.

06-12-2013 08:17 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
Are the Ranchos adjustable for compression and rebound? What is the percentage difference between stiffest and softest?
50/50 I believe. There's a huge difference between 1 and 9.
06-12-2013 08:00 PM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Reminds me of another fellow I know with tires. Cough cough ESP......
He learned it from you.
06-12-2013 07:55 PM
HK_Runner Are the Ranchos adjustable for compression and rebound? What is the percentage difference between stiffest and softest?
06-12-2013 07:55 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
Step 1) Ken gets tired of the shocks he is currently running even though they are still ok.
Step 2) Ken buys new shocks and is so happy he creates a new thread saying they are the best shocks ever.
Step 3) After several months, he repeats Steps 1 and 2.

Reminds me of another fellow I know with tires. Cough cough ESP......
06-12-2013 07:54 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
Oddly, I cannot edit my post- I was responding to kjeeper's comment about the 5100s being spine jarring. The Rock Krawler RRDs probably pulverized my spine and teeth, so I cant tell.
Like that ? Lol
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06-12-2013 07:53 PM
SilverSport Step 1) Ken gets tired of the shocks he is currently running even though they are still ok.
Step 2) Ken buys new shocks and is so happy he creates a new thread saying they are the best shocks ever.
Step 3) After several months, he repeats Steps 1 and 2.

06-12-2013 07:51 PM
kjeeper10 2 door 4 door will make a difference, weight will also. Low caster/ steeper front CA angles will cause a rougher feel to the road. Pair with a firmer shock and the ride is going to suck. That's why you get so many varying opinions on shocks, everybody's rig is set up differently.
Some shocks are actually tuned or valved specifically for the Jk by the lift company that sells them ex. AEV/Bilstein and Teraflex/Fox. Choose the wrong shock for your setup and you're going to hate life. this is where the 9000's shine. Set to whatever is best for your setup and rock on
06-12-2013 07:49 PM
HK_Runner Oddly, I cannot edit my post- I was responding to kjeeper's comment about the 5100s being spine jarring. The Rock Krawler RRDs probably pulverized my spine and teeth, so I cant tell.
06-12-2013 06:58 PM
HK_Runner
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

Never really gave the 5100's a chance. spine shockingly harsh IMO. The 9000's I ran for about a year were a great shock.
The Fox shocks I have now seem more responsive but firmer. Not for everybody but my jeep is not my DD no more.
For DD and weekend warrior, I would go with the 9000's again without thought.

Oh yeah? Well after those POS RRDs, even the 5100s ride like a dream!
06-12-2013 05:17 PM
kenb1023
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post
I have the TF 2.5 with Bilstein 5100's. Love the ride.
Same here, I think the ride was better than stock after it was all done. My Ram 2500 has the Rancho 9000 shocks. They are good as well and last. My last set went 100K before they really started to show signs of wear and Rancho replaced them. You can't go wrong either way.
06-12-2013 05:14 PM
Rancho Hopefully you can make this out.


06-12-2013 05:03 PM
ESP ^ Has had some shocks...
06-12-2013 05:01 PM
SilverSport 5100s seem to give a better ride on the Unlimiteds.
06-12-2013 04:57 PM
redbilly The 5100's are amazing! They were firm, but never harsh, before I added metal bumpers and a winch. The ride is now perfect with 1000 miles of wear and some weight.
06-12-2013 04:44 PM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
X2

Never really gave the 5100's a chance. spine shockingly harsh IMO. The 9000's I ran for about a year were a great shock.
The Fox shocks I have now seem more responsive but firmer. Not for everybody but my jeep is not my DD no more.
For DD and weekend warrior, I would go with the 9000's again without thought.
And what brand of shocks are you running this month?
06-12-2013 04:36 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
I'd go with the Ranchos. I prefer a more compliant ride. The adjustability is a bonus. This guarantee is fantastic too.
X2

Never really gave the 5100's a chance. spine shockingly harsh IMO. The 9000's I ran for about a year were a great shock.
The Fox shocks I have now seem more responsive but firmer. Not for everybody but my jeep is not my DD no more.
For DD and weekend warrior, I would go with the 9000's again without thought.
06-12-2013 04:35 PM
HK_Runner This is definitely helpful and we can frame the shock's action to the desired terrain and ride feel. I do have twisty washboard fireroads that can be pretty dangerous since most have a huge drop on one side. However, most of my offroading is done on slower trails. The 5100s are a good compromise, but I am always looking for significant improvements off road and on pavement.
06-12-2013 04:25 PM
Rancho
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
So what is the difference in ride between the 9000 and RS7000MT? How is the compression and rebound different? I think Bilstein valves 5100s well for the JK/JKU but not sure how your valving compares to your valving or ride feel. I think the 5160s are a bit stiffer but the 5100s may be the most popular shock on lifted JKs and Toyotas, along with Old Man Emu.

9000 with the adjustabilty will either be soft or firm depending on where you want to set them, this is accomplished by a screw that controls the oil. The overall body and rod are bigger on the 9000 as well. Often times with a twin tube design of a shock ( what many/most shocks are) you will get "fade" over long uses of time.

The 7000 is is a firmer/responsive ride. With the high pressure nitrogen charge it has a quicker damping response. They shine on roads like a fire road that is rutted out for a long period. In general we have more valving for more applications than other players out there (not counting custom valving/pressure that can be accomplished via a CO or the like), think we have it valved for the Ford, Chevy and Dodge 1/2 tons not for a general application. We are constantly working on our valving as well.

Hope this helps.

I am trying to get a sheet we have that shows these differences too. Hopefully get that soon.
06-12-2013 04:09 PM
HK_Runner So what is the difference in ride between the 9000 and RS7000MT? How is the compression and rebound different? I think Bilstein valves 5100s well for the JK/JKU but not sure how your valving compares to your valving or ride feel. I think the 5160s are a bit stiffer but the 5100s may be the most popular shock on lifted JKs and Toyotas, along with Old Man Emu.
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