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04-22-2014 08:02 PM
HK_Runner Put together some stuff I had and some stuff I ordered. Some of you know I was pretty unhappy with my RK lift on my JKR. It got better with time and replacing the RK stuff. This time (and it is a 4-door) I went with 3" Synergy springs, AEV drop brackets, Rancho 9000 XL shocks, etc. The ride is night and day (better). I may just switch shocks to the 5100s and see what it does but the Synergy coils and Rancho 9000 XL shocks, along with the AEV brackets, are fantastic.

This pic is not the best- the white makes the dark tires/wheels/asphalt blend in on the phone. Glad I went with the 3" coils.

04-22-2014 07:53 PM
terrabit Sir Matador, first, thank you for your contributions. I read lots of stuff on this site and others and always appreciate what you have to say.

I have a 13' JKUR auto on 35" Toyo MTs with a 2.5" TF coil lift and track bar. Still using the stock Rubi shocks with TF extensions and the bump stops that came in the kit. It drives fine but I'd like to increase the travel a bit - I'd like to chuck the extra bumpstop if I can. Can I do that with the right shocks and cut fenders? I understand I'd get more down travel with MC or synergy springs.
04-22-2014 04:21 PM
mittenman Thanks Matador, if I decide to go with Metal Cloak how long can I reasonably expect to drive without subjecting the other component to excessive wear before upgrading? The jeep is a manual transmission Rubicon so should have the 4.10 gear ratio.
04-22-2014 03:32 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by mittenman View Post
I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
First, let me ask you want gear ratio your running? 35" tires are a strain on a stock drive train, especially a Jeep that's 7 years old. Assuming your drivetrain can handle 35's lets talk about your lift choices.

You want something that can clear 35's, work with factory wheels, comfortable for city driving and capable for occasional off-roading... all while keeping the price down.

Believe it or not you have a very common wish list. If your on a budget, I would suggest lifting your Jeep in steps like I described, starting with a Teraflex leveling kit. Its not going to handle better but if you chop your fenders it will clear 35's.

If you want to invest some more money than you will want to look at kits with at least a 2.5" lift. I personally like Metal cloak, their dual rate spring system seems to fit your city comfort requirement while giving you great articulation off-road.
04-22-2014 12:22 PM
mittenman Bump
04-20-2014 09:03 PM
mittenman I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
03-31-2014 05:46 PM
Granite Rooster Just thinking out loud here. Current setup is the TF 2.5" coil lift with Bilstein 5100's and 315 Duratracs..
Plan is to eventually add bumbers and winch. I know the TF coils are soft enough that I will lose some height. So now the brainstorm starts...

1. Add just enough spacer to get it back to current height(shouldn't need add'l parts)
2. Upgrade to Metal cloak 2.5" springs because the get nearly 3.5" without added weight(may need track bar and control arms here)
3. Go up to 3.5" Metal cloak springs for badassery factor(will definately need the TB's and CA's here with possiblity of high steer kit)

What say the experts???
03-16-2014 05:03 PM
VaderJK12
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Very little IMO

How about RK's new 1.5's?
Thanks. I want to take a step in the right direction and have it ready for when I add weight. I'm always open for suggestions on how to proceed with this next phase of my Jeep build.
03-16-2014 04:52 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by VaderJK12 View Post
Thanks for the response. The springs I have are 17/58 I believe. I was thinking upgrading to 19/60 and adding Rubicon shocks. When adding bumpers, the added weight will sag some so I didn't want to lose any lift/clearance with the leveling kit. So it's not technically worth upgrading the springs and shocks? Will it help with the added weight?
Very little IMO

How about RK's new 1.5's?
03-16-2014 04:20 PM
VaderJK12 Thanks for the response.

The springs I have are 17/58 I believe. I was thinking upgrading to 19/60 and adding Rubicon shocks. When adding bumpers, the added weight will sag some so I didn't want to lose any lift/clearance with the leveling kit. So it's not technically worth upgrading the springs and shocks? Will it help with the added weight?
03-16-2014 04:09 PM
kjeeper10 You have a 4 door and should already have "unlimited" springs. There's no such thing as rubicon springs, I doubt they will do anything for you. As long as you're sticking with 33's you should be ok, flat flares are another option for clearance without sacrificing ride.
03-16-2014 03:26 PM
VaderJK12 I'm currently running 33s with a TF Leveling Kit with 3.21 gears. I mainly take it on the beach and some light trails. My next mods will be front and rear bumpers. With the added weight of the bumpers, will I be able to keep the leveling Kit and maybe add Rubicon springs and shocks to help offset any sagging from the added weight? Or is it better to maybe go with a 2.5" lift first and then add the bumpers?

No plans for 35s just yet, it would be awhile before upgrading to them since the 33s are just fine right now. I want to make sure I keep the clearance when the bumpers are added. So, keep the leveling Kit and add Rubicon springs and shocks or replace with a 2.5"-3" lift? Thoughts?
03-10-2014 06:44 PM
pbeachcruzer you mention the 2" rancho sport as a basic lift, but not the 3" sport. my question is what are your thoughts on the rancho ca upgrade as a second step to the 3" sport lift? mild offroading with nothing larger than a 35 tire. '14 jk willys 4 door. my second choice would be the mc option, but the price is my biggest hangup on that one.
03-09-2014 11:09 PM
SteedGun I see the Synergy LCA bolt kit mentioned in this thread a few times. I already have that one installed. What about the Synergy UCA bolt kit?
03-09-2014 10:23 PM
HK_Runner I think I will just reuse my 35" MTRs on this (stock right now) new JKUR. I am thinking of 2" Synergy springs and Bushwacker flatties so I can avoid the need for aftermarket driveshafts (dreading DS vibrations). Otherwise, I'd prefer to use 3" springs and aftermarket driveshafts. Still going back and forth on the driveshafts. 2"= Flat fender while 3"= aftermarket driveshafts. That's my theory anyway.

Should I also get 2" longer stainless brake lines? I think Crown makes those. The usual 5"-6" longer ones are simply too long.
03-02-2014 06:39 PM
spinlock
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Originally Posted by DIY07 View Post
I have an idea on a lifting in steps see what you think.

Rough Country 1.75 level kit w/shocks
I have about 80k on my ride now

Get lower control arms

Add 2.5-3.5 coil lift w/ track bars and new shocks

Total lift over 4.25

What are your thoughts.
I want to end up with 37"s
If you get more than 3" of actual lift you better add at least one more step:

Replace driveshafts.

You don't need that much lift to run 37s.
03-02-2014 06:20 PM
DIY07 I have an idea on a lifting in steps see what you think.

Rough Country 1.75 level kit w/shocks
I have about 80k on my ride now

Get lower control arms

Add 2.5-3.5 coil lift w/ track bars and new shocks

Total lift over 4.25

What are your thoughts.
I want to end up with 37"s
03-01-2014 01:36 PM
Hoppy2
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
If your going to stick with the stock tires for now and just looking to do some moderate trails and more beach stuff I would probably just throw on a teraflex leveling kit. Its a great simple little kit that will get you started and is really versatile and easy to upgrade from. Its what I'm running currently with my 35's. I had to cut the stock fenders to get the clearance for the 35's but it all works great. I recently upgraded the shocks to Fox reservoir and they are awesome. I need to do the bump stops ASAP because these have a much longer travel than the stock Rubicon shocks.

But to answer your question, teraflex leveling kit. Also, try to install it yourself if you can, its really easy to do and it gets you familiar with your Jeep.
Lou, how is the ride with the Fox shocks? I was originally thinking the AEV/MC for the type of springs. AEV I originally was leaning towards because of the on-road behavior. I plan on doing light off-roading at first but wanted the option down the road to upgrade the suspension if my off-roading expands. I will stick with 33/34's short term I have a 2011 2 dr. sahara which has the 32's on as stock. The MC setup with the dual rate shocks was the second one I was leaning towards with the thought of possible off roading expanding in the future but I may just go with your setup. I just didn't want to put the 300-600 in the budget boost then decide to expand in the future. Thoughts?
10-31-2013 01:16 PM
Spaste19
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
Yeah man, like Jason just said, you should be fine with 33's you can even take it off road but you just might rub on full articulation. I would hold off on shocks until you get the 2.5" lift. For not a leveling kit will give you more than enough clearance for the 33's and will ride fine around town.
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Originally Posted by KrawlOff-Road.com View Post
Spaste, do you offroad your JK? If not, you will be fine around town with the 33's. Then you can just save and do the lift once and not twice.

-Jason
Guys thanks for the input. Yes, I do take it off road frequently. Though it's usually nothing too difficult. Mostly trails and farm field roads, etc. I can't say I've ever been at full flex so I should be fine short term. I do go out west every couple of years and ultimately want to have a little more capability for those trips. Sounds like I should be good now and plan on having the lift before next summer. Thanks for the input.
10-31-2013 11:35 AM
KrawlOff-Road.com Thanks Lou!

If you want a great Leveling Kit, we do a TON of the TeraFlex ones:
TeraFlex JK Leveling Kit

-Jason
10-31-2013 10:03 AM
Matador Yeah man, like Jason just said, you should be fine with 33's you can even take it off road but you just might rub on full articulation. I would hold off on shocks until you get the 2.5" lift. For not a leveling kit will give you more than enough clearance for the 33's and will ride fine around town.
10-31-2013 08:46 AM
KrawlOff-Road.com Spaste, do you offroad your JK? If not, you will be fine around town with the 33's. Then you can just save and do the lift once and not twice.

-Jason
10-30-2013 06:13 PM
Spaste19 Great thread! So couple questions. I definitely fall into the lifting in steps category. I plan on starting with tires (good idea?) I want to run 33" Duratracs on Mickey Thompson Sidebiter's, which has a 4.5" backspacing. I hear all the time you can run 33" without a lift, but I don't know that I will like the look. So, I'm thinking of getting a 2" BB until I go the extra scratch for a full spring lift (that will be a 2.5". No need to go bigger for me).
So questions. Good tire wheel combo with proper backspacing for now and where I eventually want to get?
If I put the BB in will it negatively affect the stock ride? I have a '13 JKUR. And finally, do I want to add a shock now? Will the shock I add now to a BB still work with a 2.5" lift? Or am I better off using extensions on the factory shocks and getting what I want when I move to a big boy lift?
Thanks in advance.
10-24-2013 02:11 PM
Matador Agree. There is nothing wrong with starting off gradually, its what this entire thread is about, "Lifting in Steps". I'm big on gradual improvements overtime and carefully planning your course of upgrades based on your personal needs. Its really hard to make overall recommendations to people if you have no idea what they will be doing with their Jeep. The best thing to do is suggest that they hit the trails as-is, whatever you need will quickly become apparent to you.
10-24-2013 12:00 PM
Braindead Normally I wouldn't want to clutter up a thread with back and forth personal convo but I'm hoping that the ideals and viewpoints we're sharing about my specific scenario might provoke additional thoughts or provide insight to others that read it.

I have done some minor wheeling and have been in some pretty slick mud a couple of times. I do agree that the capabilities of even a stock Jeep are pretty remarkable.

While I'm most likely going to do 33's, I'd really love to have a set of 35's on there especially for that extra 1.5" rise of the pumpkins. The main reason I don't want to do 35's though, is gearing and axles. I have the 3:21's and a Dana 30 on the front. I've heard mixed things about needing to re-gear or not with 35's when you start off with 3.21's and it's probably mostly a matter of preference - but it's something I don't want to have to do now unless I decide I want to get into some more serious trails and make it more purpose built for off road rather than on. As long as it's my daily driver, I'd like to keep a good blend and not have to change out everything all at once and be able to spread it out over time in a nice progressive step process.

As far as the axles, I'm sure the D30 would be "ok" with the type of off road I will normally find myself in, even if I had heavier 35's on them. Even still it would add more stress and if I did end up in a situation where there high potential for breaking something, I'd like to be in the best boat I can with the D30 front axle and I think with that 33" tires would be a little on the safer side. Agree or disagree?
10-24-2013 09:59 AM
Matador Yeah Branden, the most common bit of advice you'll get from everyone is to just go out and hit a trail as is. You'll pick up on what exactly you'll need for your individual use. It makes no sense for you to invest money on a big lift if you could really benefit more on other things for your specific terrain.

Personally, the move to 35" tires for me has been the best mod to date, followed by my rock rails. The leveling kit was just a necessity for the 35's to clear properly.
10-24-2013 09:12 AM
Braindead
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
I suggest that you put the 33's on the jeep stock and go for a drive. I just came back from a day of wheeling and two Jeeps in the group were stock 4-door sports running just 33" tires. They were able to do most of the blue trails and keep up with the more heavily modded Jeeps. You would be really surprised what a stock Jeep can handle. If after your run you still want a bit more height then I would start looking at a simple leveling kit, add your bumpers and winch and then go for the major lift upgrade. The leveling kit is a good pairing with 33's and most of the times enough to cover what most people need.
Thanks Lou, sounds like even more sound advice and I very well may do that. My main reason for wanting the lift as well w/o having bumpers etc. already is that when I do go out, I usually have several hundred lbs of gear with me (not counting passengers) that does drop me down a bit. Hence I thought it might be good to have a smaller lift to counter that but also that won't do so much lift for day to day driving where I'd have to change out lots of other components.

Again, very sound advice and you've given me something to think about and maybe even test to see how I like it since leveling kits are so cheap. I'll follow up once I do something with a review on how it all worked out etc. Thanks again!
-Braden
10-21-2013 08:21 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Braindead View Post
Thanks! I was just about to update that I talked with TF earlier today and they said it would be highly unlikely that I'd be above 3" with their lift and without any extra weight. The only additional thing I'd need at 3" are the exhaust spacers and those are cheap!

Eventually I'll do more components and really do it the right way (CA's, TB's etc) and if I ever raise her higher I'll do drive shafts. For now just some more capability out in the wild will be good with what I do.
I suggest that you put the 33's on the jeep stock and go for a drive. I just came back from a day of wheeling and two Jeeps in the group were stock 4-door sports running just 33" tires. They were able to do most of the blue trails and keep up with the more heavily modded Jeeps. You would be really surprised what a stock Jeep can handle. If after your run you still want a bit more height then I would start looking at a simple leveling kit, add your bumpers and winch and then go for the major lift upgrade. The leveling kit is a good pairing with 33's and most of the times enough to cover what most people need.
10-20-2013 04:22 PM
Tat_up03 Thanks Braindead. All the information is something I can work with.
10-17-2013 04:46 PM
Braindead
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Originally Posted by Tat_up03 View Post
Hey Gents, I've had a 2007 Unlimited X for almost 2 years and haven't done anything due to being out of the country a lot. I just finished Herculining it and now I want to start a lift but I don't want to go crazy with it. Maybe only 2". If you guys could give me some tips on a budgeted way to do it. Just saying thank you ahead of time.
If you haven't done it yet, I'd read this whole thread from page 1 on. There's a ton of excellent info about lifts of all shapes and sizes. For what you're wanting, your best bet is going to be a budget boost (pucks or spacers for the springs and new shocks or shock extenders) or a 2" leveling kit. Just about everyone makes these but the ones that seem to be more popular in this arena are Teraflex and Rancho. Farther back in the thread are models and some links for all of it. Good luck and happy Jeepin'!
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