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Yesterday 09:03 AM
Matador The Jeep looks great Terrabit, enjoy.


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Originally Posted by TJ Lyons View Post
I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
Lyons, first let me say that I totally understand what your saying. When I first bought my Jeep I was overwhelmed with conflicting information and didn't know which approach to take. To be honest, there really is no one direction that is the best, mainly because how you use your Jeep might be different than how I use mine. So you need to find a direction that works for you.

I like this "lifting in steps" idea because its a great economical approach that slowly introduces you to Jeep Modding. As you progress, you'll realize what works for you and what doesn't. If on the other hand, you don't want to bother with progressional improvements and would prefer to go straight with the entire kit, then I would consider either Metal Cloak or Rock Krawler. They are both really well suited for predominantly off-road Jeeps. I tend to favor Metal Cloak a bit more personally for several reasons but you might find RK to be a better fit for you. I would start with that approach first.
07-29-2014 10:43 PM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
terrabit— I would first take a look at the shocks you plan on getting. When choosing the shocks try to think a little further down the road. Do you plan on going with a larger lift later? If your looking for more travel, then getting longer shocks, minimizing the bump stop size and cutting your fenders will do the trick. Honestly, I'm surprised your able to run 35" tires and keep your stock fenders on just a 2.5" kit. The first inexpensive step I would take if I were you would be to trim the fenders. After you do that, take it out on the trail and see how it handles, that might be enough for what your doing and you can call it a day.
Thanks! I actually just cut the fenders and replaced the shocks/extensions with some Rancho rs9000xl 29/30s.

I'm still interested in reducing as much bumpstop as possible. Thanks again for the reply.
07-29-2014 04:30 PM
mommymallcrawler
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Originally Posted by TJ Lyons View Post
I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
I see you are newer to the forum. Have you read the tire and lift info in the Tech sticky? All of it? You dont need a 3.5 inch lift to run 35 inch tires - 2.5 will work fine. Most of the better kits calculate that assuming after you add steel bumpers, winches and etc. If playing on rocks with 35 inch tires and you do not have a Rubicon with the D44 front (your post doesnt say) look at trussing your axles as well, especially the front D30. Over 2.5 you have possible drive shaft issues so the closer to that you can stay, should be able to buy you a little time before needing a new front drive shaft.
07-29-2014 04:06 PM
TJ Lyons
More Confused

I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
07-29-2014 07:32 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
Sir Matador, first, thank you for your contributions. I read lots of stuff on this site and others and always appreciate what you have to say.

I have a 13' JKUR auto on 35" Toyo MTs with a 2.5" TF coil lift and track bar. Still using the stock Rubi shocks with TF extensions and the bump stops that came in the kit. It drives fine but I'd like to increase the travel a bit - I'd like to chuck the extra bumpstop if I can. Can I do that with the right shocks and cut fenders? I understand I'd get more down travel with MC or synergy springs.
terrabit— I would first take a look at the shocks you plan on getting. When choosing the shocks try to think a little further down the road. Do you plan on going with a larger lift later? If your looking for more travel, then getting longer shocks, minimizing the bump stop size and cutting your fenders will do the trick. Honestly, I'm surprised your able to run 35" tires and keep your stock fenders on just a 2.5" kit. The first inexpensive step I would take if I were you would be to trim the fenders. After you do that, take it out on the trail and see how it handles, that might be enough for what your doing and you can call it a day.

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Originally Posted by whis9 View Post
Great read
thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Godfada View Post
So Matador is it safe to say that the AEV Dualsport XT 2.5” is my best bet for a 2014 JKU that will be doing 100% city and freeway? Will I need anything else keeping in mind that it will not off road? Will run 35" and aftermarket wheels, probably aftermarket bumpers to.

On our previous 2010 JKU we went all the way on a 4" lift kit, it was a mix of OME, long arms, adjustable everything and we hated it. The kit was around $2500...It was like driving a boat on the road... we want to make sure it doesn't happen again
The AEV kit is a pretty complete kit but I would look at adding the geometry correction brackets. I never understood why they don't throw that into the kit. I would also pick up the AEV procal to reprogram the ECU and take into account your larger tires. Finally, depending on where you live, the Bilstein shocks don't weather well in the northeast climate.
07-28-2014 08:19 PM
Godfada So Matador is it safe to say that the AEV Dualsport XT 2.5” is my best bet for a 2014 JKU that will be doing 100% city and freeway? Will I need anything else keeping in mind that it will not off road? Will run 35" and aftermarket wheels, probably aftermarket bumpers to.

On our previous 2010 JKU we went all the way on a 4" lift kit, it was a mix of OME, long arms, adjustable everything and we hated it. The kit was around $2500...It was like driving a boat on the road... we want to make sure it doesn't happen again
07-13-2014 08:19 PM
whis9 Great read
04-22-2014 08:02 PM
HK_Runner Put together some stuff I had and some stuff I ordered. Some of you know I was pretty unhappy with my RK lift on my JKR. It got better with time and replacing the RK stuff. This time (and it is a 4-door) I went with 3" Synergy springs, AEV drop brackets, Rancho 9000 XL shocks, etc. The ride is night and day (better). I may just switch shocks to the 5100s and see what it does but the Synergy coils and Rancho 9000 XL shocks, along with the AEV brackets, are fantastic.

This pic is not the best- the white makes the dark tires/wheels/asphalt blend in on the phone. Glad I went with the 3" coils.

04-22-2014 07:53 PM
terrabit Sir Matador, first, thank you for your contributions. I read lots of stuff on this site and others and always appreciate what you have to say.

I have a 13' JKUR auto on 35" Toyo MTs with a 2.5" TF coil lift and track bar. Still using the stock Rubi shocks with TF extensions and the bump stops that came in the kit. It drives fine but I'd like to increase the travel a bit - I'd like to chuck the extra bumpstop if I can. Can I do that with the right shocks and cut fenders? I understand I'd get more down travel with MC or synergy springs.
04-22-2014 04:21 PM
mittenman Thanks Matador, if I decide to go with Metal Cloak how long can I reasonably expect to drive without subjecting the other component to excessive wear before upgrading? The jeep is a manual transmission Rubicon so should have the 4.10 gear ratio.
04-22-2014 03:32 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by mittenman View Post
I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
First, let me ask you want gear ratio your running? 35" tires are a strain on a stock drive train, especially a Jeep that's 7 years old. Assuming your drivetrain can handle 35's lets talk about your lift choices.

You want something that can clear 35's, work with factory wheels, comfortable for city driving and capable for occasional off-roading... all while keeping the price down.

Believe it or not you have a very common wish list. If your on a budget, I would suggest lifting your Jeep in steps like I described, starting with a Teraflex leveling kit. Its not going to handle better but if you chop your fenders it will clear 35's.

If you want to invest some more money than you will want to look at kits with at least a 2.5" lift. I personally like Metal cloak, their dual rate spring system seems to fit your city comfort requirement while giving you great articulation off-road.
04-22-2014 12:22 PM
mittenman Bump
04-20-2014 09:03 PM
mittenman I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
03-31-2014 05:46 PM
Granite Rooster Just thinking out loud here. Current setup is the TF 2.5" coil lift with Bilstein 5100's and 315 Duratracs..
Plan is to eventually add bumbers and winch. I know the TF coils are soft enough that I will lose some height. So now the brainstorm starts...

1. Add just enough spacer to get it back to current height(shouldn't need add'l parts)
2. Upgrade to Metal cloak 2.5" springs because the get nearly 3.5" without added weight(may need track bar and control arms here)
3. Go up to 3.5" Metal cloak springs for badassery factor(will definately need the TB's and CA's here with possiblity of high steer kit)

What say the experts???
03-16-2014 05:03 PM
VaderJK12
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Very little IMO

How about RK's new 1.5's?
Thanks. I want to take a step in the right direction and have it ready for when I add weight. I'm always open for suggestions on how to proceed with this next phase of my Jeep build.
03-16-2014 04:52 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by VaderJK12 View Post
Thanks for the response. The springs I have are 17/58 I believe. I was thinking upgrading to 19/60 and adding Rubicon shocks. When adding bumpers, the added weight will sag some so I didn't want to lose any lift/clearance with the leveling kit. So it's not technically worth upgrading the springs and shocks? Will it help with the added weight?
Very little IMO

How about RK's new 1.5's?
03-16-2014 04:20 PM
VaderJK12 Thanks for the response.

The springs I have are 17/58 I believe. I was thinking upgrading to 19/60 and adding Rubicon shocks. When adding bumpers, the added weight will sag some so I didn't want to lose any lift/clearance with the leveling kit. So it's not technically worth upgrading the springs and shocks? Will it help with the added weight?
03-16-2014 04:09 PM
kjeeper10 You have a 4 door and should already have "unlimited" springs. There's no such thing as rubicon springs, I doubt they will do anything for you. As long as you're sticking with 33's you should be ok, flat flares are another option for clearance without sacrificing ride.
03-16-2014 03:26 PM
VaderJK12 I'm currently running 33s with a TF Leveling Kit with 3.21 gears. I mainly take it on the beach and some light trails. My next mods will be front and rear bumpers. With the added weight of the bumpers, will I be able to keep the leveling Kit and maybe add Rubicon springs and shocks to help offset any sagging from the added weight? Or is it better to maybe go with a 2.5" lift first and then add the bumpers?

No plans for 35s just yet, it would be awhile before upgrading to them since the 33s are just fine right now. I want to make sure I keep the clearance when the bumpers are added. So, keep the leveling Kit and add Rubicon springs and shocks or replace with a 2.5"-3" lift? Thoughts?
03-10-2014 06:44 PM
pbeachcruzer you mention the 2" rancho sport as a basic lift, but not the 3" sport. my question is what are your thoughts on the rancho ca upgrade as a second step to the 3" sport lift? mild offroading with nothing larger than a 35 tire. '14 jk willys 4 door. my second choice would be the mc option, but the price is my biggest hangup on that one.
03-09-2014 11:09 PM
SteedGun I see the Synergy LCA bolt kit mentioned in this thread a few times. I already have that one installed. What about the Synergy UCA bolt kit?
03-09-2014 10:23 PM
HK_Runner I think I will just reuse my 35" MTRs on this (stock right now) new JKUR. I am thinking of 2" Synergy springs and Bushwacker flatties so I can avoid the need for aftermarket driveshafts (dreading DS vibrations). Otherwise, I'd prefer to use 3" springs and aftermarket driveshafts. Still going back and forth on the driveshafts. 2"= Flat fender while 3"= aftermarket driveshafts. That's my theory anyway.

Should I also get 2" longer stainless brake lines? I think Crown makes those. The usual 5"-6" longer ones are simply too long.
03-02-2014 06:39 PM
spinlock
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Originally Posted by DIY07 View Post
I have an idea on a lifting in steps see what you think.

Rough Country 1.75 level kit w/shocks
I have about 80k on my ride now

Get lower control arms

Add 2.5-3.5 coil lift w/ track bars and new shocks

Total lift over 4.25

What are your thoughts.
I want to end up with 37"s
If you get more than 3" of actual lift you better add at least one more step:

Replace driveshafts.

You don't need that much lift to run 37s.
03-02-2014 06:20 PM
DIY07 I have an idea on a lifting in steps see what you think.

Rough Country 1.75 level kit w/shocks
I have about 80k on my ride now

Get lower control arms

Add 2.5-3.5 coil lift w/ track bars and new shocks

Total lift over 4.25

What are your thoughts.
I want to end up with 37"s
03-01-2014 01:36 PM
Hoppy2
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
If your going to stick with the stock tires for now and just looking to do some moderate trails and more beach stuff I would probably just throw on a teraflex leveling kit. Its a great simple little kit that will get you started and is really versatile and easy to upgrade from. Its what I'm running currently with my 35's. I had to cut the stock fenders to get the clearance for the 35's but it all works great. I recently upgraded the shocks to Fox reservoir and they are awesome. I need to do the bump stops ASAP because these have a much longer travel than the stock Rubicon shocks.

But to answer your question, teraflex leveling kit. Also, try to install it yourself if you can, its really easy to do and it gets you familiar with your Jeep.
Lou, how is the ride with the Fox shocks? I was originally thinking the AEV/MC for the type of springs. AEV I originally was leaning towards because of the on-road behavior. I plan on doing light off-roading at first but wanted the option down the road to upgrade the suspension if my off-roading expands. I will stick with 33/34's short term I have a 2011 2 dr. sahara which has the 32's on as stock. The MC setup with the dual rate shocks was the second one I was leaning towards with the thought of possible off roading expanding in the future but I may just go with your setup. I just didn't want to put the 300-600 in the budget boost then decide to expand in the future. Thoughts?
10-31-2013 01:16 PM
Spaste19
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
Yeah man, like Jason just said, you should be fine with 33's you can even take it off road but you just might rub on full articulation. I would hold off on shocks until you get the 2.5" lift. For not a leveling kit will give you more than enough clearance for the 33's and will ride fine around town.
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Originally Posted by KrawlOff-Road.com View Post
Spaste, do you offroad your JK? If not, you will be fine around town with the 33's. Then you can just save and do the lift once and not twice.

-Jason
Guys thanks for the input. Yes, I do take it off road frequently. Though it's usually nothing too difficult. Mostly trails and farm field roads, etc. I can't say I've ever been at full flex so I should be fine short term. I do go out west every couple of years and ultimately want to have a little more capability for those trips. Sounds like I should be good now and plan on having the lift before next summer. Thanks for the input.
10-31-2013 11:35 AM
KrawlOff-Road.com Thanks Lou!

If you want a great Leveling Kit, we do a TON of the TeraFlex ones:
TeraFlex JK Leveling Kit

-Jason
10-31-2013 10:03 AM
Matador Yeah man, like Jason just said, you should be fine with 33's you can even take it off road but you just might rub on full articulation. I would hold off on shocks until you get the 2.5" lift. For not a leveling kit will give you more than enough clearance for the 33's and will ride fine around town.
10-31-2013 08:46 AM
KrawlOff-Road.com Spaste, do you offroad your JK? If not, you will be fine around town with the 33's. Then you can just save and do the lift once and not twice.

-Jason
10-30-2013 06:13 PM
Spaste19 Great thread! So couple questions. I definitely fall into the lifting in steps category. I plan on starting with tires (good idea?) I want to run 33" Duratracs on Mickey Thompson Sidebiter's, which has a 4.5" backspacing. I hear all the time you can run 33" without a lift, but I don't know that I will like the look. So, I'm thinking of getting a 2" BB until I go the extra scratch for a full spring lift (that will be a 2.5". No need to go bigger for me).
So questions. Good tire wheel combo with proper backspacing for now and where I eventually want to get?
If I put the BB in will it negatively affect the stock ride? I have a '13 JKUR. And finally, do I want to add a shock now? Will the shock I add now to a BB still work with a 2.5" lift? Or am I better off using extensions on the factory shocks and getting what I want when I move to a big boy lift?
Thanks in advance.
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