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05-12-2013 11:14 AM
MRT2
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
Maybe a stiffer sway bar. No matter what tho, lifting it and raising the center of gravity will not add to handling(measured on a skid pad). A lift will add to body roll and you'll have to go slower or the same speed around corners. Not faster. It may make the ride smoother tho. The one part that would help are the wider tires

Also, op, if you want better handling, do not get wheels with a lot of sidewall. Personally I don't like larger than 17's on a wrangler but if you upgrade your rims you may want to go to 18's or 20's(I never thought I'd ever suggest something like that) less sidewall=less tire roll
Funny you should mention that, Tires are already on order (Wider but still keeping somewhat of the same stock height - Stocks are 32' and 33's coming)
05-12-2013 11:10 AM
MRT2
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
The jeep will never handle quite like a car or even a new silverado. They have independent front and sometimes rear suspensions. Your jk has a solid axle in front and back. If one tire hits a bump, which in my area is 50 bazillion times per mile, the whole axle moves, which will jar the cabin more than an independant suspension...

You also have an extremely short wheelbase if you have the 2 door. Longer wheelbases ride skoother.

this is all because the jk is based on the original army jeeps which were built for offroad handling abilities and not to ride nice. The basic design is very similar still...

Anyway, anything that will mske it ride better on road will make it worse offroad. Anything that makes it better off road will make it worse on road

You might have too much air in your tires and if you have a lift kit you could put it back to stock and itll ride better.
Thanks MichiganAdam, do you believe that to be true in all cases? Better on-road, is Worse Off-Road? It doesn't seem Highway Man's setup above would make it Worse Off-Road?
05-12-2013 11:07 AM
MRT2
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Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
" I understand that those cars were built for different reasons compared to that of our JK. However, what can I do to give the JK better handling abilities? ". From OP. Based on the list of his previous rides I'm sure he's concerned with handling, not ride.

Youre confusing smooth ride for handling. There's a huge difference. Sure my Z71 RIDES smoother, but doesn't handle better on or off road then my JK or Ranger, no way. Does my built driver/track car ride smoother than stock. Nope. Does it outhandle it, hell yes. Were talking about handling not acceleration. Does a moderately lifted Jk on coilovers, wider tires outhandle a stock wallowy JK? Definately. I'm speaking from experience building and owning lots of vehicles I've built from stock to built. Not theories. Like I mentioned, even my wife will tell you it handles much better now, then it did stock.

The OP can definately have both.

Thanks Highway Man. I was speaking of handling in regards to "twists and turns, and daily driving" (not necessarily Off-Road). Don't get me wrong, I don't want to offend JK owners here, the ride often surprises me on the turns on on-ramps with surprisingly well balanced counter's on the 'circular style' on-ramps. However, on anything with a tighter turn, or an aggressive lane change made to (I live in LA) avoid an accident; Our rig's have heavy body roll for recovery, and aren't fast to react.

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges, and I understand those cars are built for two separate ride styles/reasons. However you're right, I'm not speaking of 'ride smoothness' as I am 'handling ability'. I don't mind spending $ (ESPECIALLY in this regard), and my 13' JKUR is stock at this moment in regards to suspension is completely stock. Which of your modifications in suspension was the 'biggest bang for your buck' or in your experience, which made for the better handling ability between those two?
05-12-2013 03:39 AM
highwayman
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
Maybe i was confused between handling and smoothness sorry about that. And the jeeps not going to be super smooth. I also believe i had my jeep about off the ground the other day and uhm....yeah...try that with a car ive never seen a cooler become weightless before.

Big sidewalls look cool enough to make up for lack of smoothness. But why does that make the difference? Is it the weight of the rubber? I have no intention of downsizing the tires.
05-12-2013 03:37 AM
highwayman
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Originally Posted by JEEPbug View Post
That setup is sick! Damn...need another money tree...


Thx. Not really huge mounts into it relatively speaking when I hear about guys dropping comparable rigs off at the boutique shops to build em. I've done all the labor myself, so I could spend the extra on parts doing stuff right. I don't like fixing stuff on the trail and like to build stuff so it won't, haha. Not too mention, though its my toy to beat on during weekends, its the little lady's daily driver everyday. I won't let her drive a funky handling rig, haha. She always complains when I take it to work occasionally and shes forced to drive our Z71, so I must be doing something right, haha.
05-11-2013 05:50 PM
JeeperJake ....try comparison: drive around in a stock CJ2 for a week or so.....your JK will seem like a magic carpet ride then.....
05-11-2013 10:59 AM
jklarry my Jeep handles better than stock and still goes over shit. it's all about the package and how you drive it, as attested by the other vehicles I drive around. 09 with a 3.8.
05-11-2013 10:31 AM
SBL My handling improved significantly after I installed AEV 2.5" lift with geometry correction brackets and 35's.
05-11-2013 10:26 AM
traitor08 Here are some of my finding for stock vs lifted jeep.

My jeep sports a 2.5 max travel rock krawler system with fox racing shocks and nitto 35's on 17 in wheels.

Lifted feels better in the corners- I attribute that to solid connections on sway bar end links to reduce flex. Also to the better shocks and stiffer coils on it.

Feels better going down the road. Again I have to congratulate the coils and zhocks for doing a geat job.

The rims made me wider, and I am a little taller but probably have the same c of g.

I didn't believe it either, but a lifted jeep does feel and handle as good and sometimes better than stock.
05-11-2013 09:53 AM
JEEPbug ^ who snuck in and took a pic of my jeep!?
05-11-2013 09:48 AM
HRPinDC

You could always do this! I'll bet it handles fairly well.
05-11-2013 09:42 AM
JEEPbug
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Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
Not sure what you've done to your rig. Mines a fairly well built heavy 4door on 37s w/4" lift. Wife drives it every day on a twisty route for a commute and is very happy with it. She always laughs when we come down from the local mountains after playing and car after car pull into the turnouts to let me get around. Granted, I can drive the wheels off anything. Best thing I did off road and on road for handling? Coilovers and full traction rear swaybar. Depends on how much cash you want to spend, my friend.
That setup is sick! Damn...need another money tree...
05-11-2013 09:34 AM
SilverSport Big side walls flex more.
05-11-2013 08:58 AM
michiganadam Maybe i was confused between handling and smoothness sorry about that. And the jeeps not going to be super smooth. I also believe i had my jeep about off the ground the other day and uhm....yeah...try that with a car ive never seen a cooler become weightless before.

Big sidewalls look cool enough to make up for lack of smoothness. But why does that make the difference? Is it the weight of the rubber? I have no intention of downsizing the tires.
05-11-2013 07:46 AM
HRPinDC Lower profile tires will help tremendously. If that's what you want, but why would you buy a Jeep if you want it to handle like an S2000? You don't expect your Honda to go over boulders do you?
05-11-2013 07:27 AM
jkjeeper06 Maybe a stiffer sway bar. No matter what tho, lifting it and raising the center of gravity will not add to handling(measured on a skid pad). A lift will add to body roll and you'll have to go slower or the same speed around corners. Not faster. It may make the ride smoother tho. The one part that would help are the wider tires

Also, op, if you want better handling, do not get wheels with a lot of sidewall. Personally I don't like larger than 17's on a wrangler but if you upgrade your rims you may want to go to 18's or 20's(I never thought I'd ever suggest something like that) less sidewall=less tire roll
05-11-2013 07:02 AM
kjeeper10 Better shocks
05-11-2013 06:25 AM
highwayman " I understand that those cars were built for different reasons compared to that of our JK. However, what can I do to give the JK better handling abilities? ". From OP. Based on the list of his previous rides I'm sure he's concerned with handling, not ride.

Youre confusing smooth ride for handling. There's a huge difference. Sure my Z71 RIDES smoother, but doesn't handle better on or off road then my JK or Ranger, no way. Does my built driver/track car ride smoother than stock. Nope. Does it outhandle it, hell yes. Were talking about handling not acceleration. Does a moderately lifted Jk on coilovers, wider tires outhandle a stock wallowy JK? Definately. I'm speaking from experience building and owning lots of vehicles I've built from stock to built. Not theories. Like I mentioned, even my wife will tell you it handles much better now, then it did stock.

The OP can definately have both.
05-11-2013 06:01 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
My JK outhandles my stock Z71, in every way. IRS or not. I have to strongly disagree about the "mods one way make it worse the other way & vice versa". I'm not an AEV fan, but they for one definately tout great handling out of their kits on and off road. Maybe if you have no clue about building, its true. I have my built Jeep which outperforms a stocker on road and off road by leaps and bounds. Also my built prerunner Ranger, my kid drives, that also smokes a stock Ranger on road and off road. I've been in many, many built desert trucks that smoke stock trucks in handling on road.

OP doesn't sound like he expects it ever to handle like a sportscar, just better for a JK.

OP, you can definately have the best of both worlds, bud.
Sounded like he wanted it to handle like a civic to me. My jeep handles ok.

You really think mods one way dont hurt it the other way? I still disagree. Strongly.

My step dads z71 silverado is definitely smoother on the road Than my jeep. He wont take it more than about 10 feet offroad though. Hell that things almost as smooth as a mustang

Now my old f250....haha. definitely worse than the jeep.

So are you telling me that 33s dont increase rolling resistance and dont weigh more than stock? And that lifts dont increase c of g, and that thats somehow a good thing on road?
05-11-2013 05:24 AM
highwayman My JK outhandles my stock Z71, in every way. IRS or not. I have to strongly disagree about the "mods one way make it worse the other way & vice versa". I'm not an AEV fan, but they for one definately tout great handling out of their kits on and off road. Maybe if you have no clue about building, its true. I have my built Jeep which outperforms a stocker on road and off road by leaps and bounds. Also my built prerunner Ranger, my kid drives, that also smokes a stock Ranger on road and off road. I've been in many, many built desert trucks that smoke stock trucks in handling on road.

OP doesn't sound like he expects it ever to handle like a sportscar, just better for a JK.

OP, you can definately have the best of both worlds, bud.
05-11-2013 04:51 AM
michiganadam The jeep will never handle quite like a car or even a new silverado. They have independent front and sometimes rear suspensions. Your jk has a solid axle in front and back. If one tire hits a bump, which in my area is 50 bazillion times per mile, the whole axle moves, which will jar the cabin more than an independant suspension...

You also have an extremely short wheelbase if you have the 2 door. Longer wheelbases ride skoother.

this is all because the jk is based on the original army jeeps which were built for offroad handling abilities and not to ride nice. The basic design is very similar still...

Anyway, anything that will mske it ride better on road will make it worse offroad. Anything that makes it better off road will make it worse on road

You might have too much air in your tires and if you have a lift kit you could put it back to stock and itll ride better.
05-11-2013 04:37 AM
highwayman Not sure what you've done to your rig. Mines a fairly well built heavy 4door on 37s w/4" lift. Wife drives it every day on a twisty route for a commute and is very happy with it. She always laughs when we come down from the local mountains after playing and car after car pull into the turnouts to let me get around. Granted, I can drive the wheels off anything. Best thing I did off road and on road for handling? Coilovers and full traction rear swaybar. Depends on how much cash you want to spend, my friend.
05-11-2013 04:16 AM
MRT2
How can I achieve Better Handling?

We have always had smaller compact cars (S2000, MR2, 325) and have been accustomed to 'some' type of handling (I say some, as we never really utilized the handling of those cars to their capabilities). I understand that those cars were built for different reasons compared to that of our JK. However, what can I do to give the JK better handling abilities? (Beyond that of getting smaller tires lol). Sway Bars? what?

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