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Today 02:27 AM
HDgasser
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I'm trying to get a build a ar party. It's kinda like a Tupperware party but for ar. All you need is a lower receiver or 80% lower.
I will be serving bacon.
You have a mill so we can cut 80's??? I have 2? I think that still need to be cut.

I can build AR's all day long, but I don't have a mill to cut them. I've got all the tools and everything you need if you need help?

I can even Cerakote em too.
Today 01:01 AM
BRUT4CE Btw I love bacon......
Best camping food EVER.......


Wife's friend was a veegan and a activist for it, got a sandwich (however that works with no meat) that had Bacon on it....
Leanne is no longer veegan....the power of back is under estimated...

Bacon powered cars
Bacon solves hunger
Bacon causes world peace


Oh the power of the little strips of goodness....they don't have bacon in Korea that's there excuse.....
Today 01:00 AM
BRUT4CE
Today 12:31 AM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by Lab Lover View Post
Haha, bacon porn!!
:fistlaugh:
Yesterday 11:32 PM
Lab Lover
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Originally Posted by Zombiehunta666 View Post

You're gonna get the attention of the JF crowd with that kind of a comment.

:bacon:

http://youtu.be/nGeKSiCQkPw
Haha, bacon porn!!
Yesterday 11:22 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
All this technical talk is making my head hurt. For the next hour I'm only going to mention stuff that involves bacon.
You're gonna get the attention of the JF crowd with that kind of a comment.

:bacon:

http://youtu.be/nGeKSiCQkPw
Yesterday 10:35 PM
Lab Lover
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
All this technical talk is making my head hurt. For the next hour I'm only going to mention stuff that involves bacon.
I like bacon, I have a recipe for candied bacon. Not sure I'm brave enough to make it though, lol.
Yesterday 10:34 PM
Lab Lover I think Adrian, Jeepherz husband, has a Vortech on his G35 Sedan
He's really knowledgeable about such things and if you have any questions he may be of some help.
Yesterday 10:26 PM
Ditchdoc I'm trying to get a build a ar party. It's kinda like a Tupperware party but for ar. All you need is a lower receiver or 80% lower.
I will be serving bacon.
Yesterday 10:21 PM
Ditchdoc All this technical talk is making my head hurt. For the next hour I'm only going to mention stuff that involves bacon.
Yesterday 06:59 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Post a link or pm it to me. I have to go to a wedding rehearsal. LOL I'm the best man he could find.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/newbi...trail-rig.html

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...erman-not.html

Found arguments from both sides in these.
Yesterday 06:51 PM
Gunner Post a link or pm it to me. I have to go to a wedding rehearsal. LOL I'm the best man he could find.
Yesterday 06:31 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Hmmm I wonder if it has to do with the caster angles and lack of camber thrust.
There is so much involved with perfecting the handling of a car but when you think about it that's a car, not a solid front axle jeep. You can really dial in the ackermann with reverse high steer from what I've been researching over on pirate.
Yesterday 06:27 PM
Gunner Hmmm I wonder if it has to do with the caster angles and lack of camber thrust.
Yesterday 06:08 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Ooops your right we used reverse ackermann on the race cars...
From what I under stand reverse/anti ackermann is the outside tire turns more, ankermann is the inside tire, and parallel is just the turn the same speed.
Yesterday 06:05 PM
Gunner Ooops your right we used reverse ackermann on the race cars...
Yesterday 06:03 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
Wheelbase and speed is irrelevant.
Wheel base is just how you get the percentage when you calculate it. 100% ackermann would mean if you drew lines from the TRE holes to the rear diff in a fashion to which they intercept, they would cross directly over the center of the rear housing.
Yesterday 06:01 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I would leave the angles to the pros. I'm not smart enough to make them.
Well I might have a little crappier turning radius with my proposed high steer setup but big sidewall tires flex and slip on asphalt too. So ima go for it and if it don't work I've got a spare pair if knuckles
Yesterday 06:00 PM
Ditchdoc Wheelbase and speed is irrelevant.
Yesterday 05:58 PM
Gunner My experience with it is in road racing cars. Not in street cars. Your right on that on the freeway it is a non player. Not enough wheel speed differential. It's been a long time since I did suspension. I would have to go back and look it up to refresh. In high speed cornering say a 100 mph tight 180 then it would come into play for both tire wear and slippage caused by not being able to describe the perfect arc on both tires. Again I would say for a dirt car it is a non event. Im gonna go look it up, its been a while.
Yesterday 05:57 PM
Ditchdoc I would leave the angles to the pros. I'm not smart enough to make them.
Yesterday 05:49 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Ackermann is about the arc's the front tires describe in a turn due to track width differences. It reduces tire scrub. It should not make any difference if your wheelbase is 90 inches or 116 as long as your track is the same the ackermann principle still applies. The inside tire turns in a smaller diameter than the outside one does. So the front and rear tires both spin more rotations on the outside than the inside ones do. The difference in the angles allow for easier steering. In the rear you can't steer the tires so you have an open differential to allow for differing tire speeds. Thats why when you use spools it's a booger to steer and the rear will try to push you straight in a turn. I still think ackermann plays a part in a street driven jeep. Maybe in a hard core rock monster it would not be a big deal as long as high speed corners don't come into play. Your going much more rock than street but it would be hard to remove it without some different arm lengths. I believe my Currie has made no changes to my setup due to all the factory arm lengths. If you do custom high steer then you could easily tune it out.
When you measure to the get percentage, it's the tie rod mounting width divided by the wheelbase. Everything I've been reading deals more with passenger cars than a trail/street rig. It's really going to effect low speed turning in a parking lot and that's about it. It's not going to change the highway drive bc the angles are so much smaller. From everything I've been researching it's going to be noticed at maybe 20 mph and under if that. JK(U)s have anti ackermann built in. If a 2dr JK has 70% then a 4 door would be even less bc of the wheel base. Now if someone can explain it more In dept then this I'm on all ears. The length of the Arms has no input in it since you try and keep the TRE locations in line with the centerline of the ballpoints/king pin. Length of the arms déjà provide simple leverage though.
Yesterday 05:37 PM
Gunner
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I wish I still had my buggy. That thing was terrifying and had homicidal handling. You would have loved to go for a spin it it.
196 at ElMirage and 206 at the Silver State Classic. LOL it had so much lift it was spinning the tires in the dirt at top speed. The speedo read 220.
Yesterday 05:31 PM
Gunner
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Speaking of handling I'm reading up on ackermann, it's totally pointless bc my wheelbase will change and a JKU uses the same mounts as a JK. I feel like I wasted a lot of time reading about it lol
Ackermann is about the arc's the front tires describe in a turn due to track width differences. It reduces tire scrub. It should not make any difference if your wheelbase is 90 inches or 116 as long as your track is the same the ackermann principle still applies. The inside tire turns in a smaller diameter than the outside one does. So the front and rear tires both spin more rotations on the outside than the inside ones do. The difference in the angles allow for easier steering. In the rear you can't steer the tires so you have an open differential to allow for differing tire speeds. Thats why when you use spools it's a booger to steer and the rear will try to push you straight in a turn. I still think ackermann plays a part in a street driven jeep. Maybe in a hard core rock monster it would not be a big deal as long as high speed corners don't come into play. Your going much more rock than street but it would be hard to remove it without some different arm lengths. I believe my Currie has made no changes to my setup due to all the factory arm lengths. If you do custom high steer then you could easily tune it out.
Yesterday 05:20 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I wouldn't but any carbureted vehicle unless a bike.
I'd agree. Only Things is now those FI dirt bikes are finally starting to come around...
Yesterday 05:18 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by HDgasser View Post

Bob... You of all people should know this already. "There's no replacement for displacement"
:ROFL: havnt heard that one in awhile.
Yesterday 05:03 PM
Ditchdoc
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Speaking of handling I'm reading up on ackermann, it's totally pointless bc my wheelbase will change and a JKU uses the same mounts as a JK. I feel like I wasted a lot of time reading about it lol
Unless your track is different front and back it kinda naturally applies.
Yesterday 04:18 PM
JoeBot13
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Speed limiter is removed in the computer.
well in that case a trip back out to the lake beds may be in order after that ripp is installed
Yesterday 04:13 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
I wish I still had my buggy. That thing was terrifying and had homicidal handling. You would have loved to go for a spin it it.
Speaking of handling I'm reading up on ackermann, it's totally pointless bc my wheelbase will change and a JKU uses the same mounts as a JK. I feel like I wasted a lot of time reading about it lol
Yesterday 04:00 PM
Ditchdoc I wish I still had my buggy. That thing was terrifying and had homicidal handling. You would have loved to go for a spin it it.
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