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05-12-2013 11:36 AM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post
Lol agreed. At least everyone on this thread think its damn near impossible. I've rebuilt a transmission, I think a R&P wouldn't be too far off . With time and money and a tools you can do anything.
Before you start getting high and mighty you should know I've done ring and pinion installs before. No it's not as hard as some people make it out to be, but 99% of people who come here and ask think it a simple bolt on bolt off without knowing any of the work or tools required.

Here are some links you should read.

Extreme Novice Regear Thread - JeepForum.com
Regearing of Jake92321's TJ D44 - JeepForum.com
Pirate4x4.Com - The largest off roading and 4x4 website in the world.
05-12-2013 10:21 AM
GingerTJ Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/tf9B_O4iYEs


Doesn't look bad at all.
05-12-2013 10:12 AM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by IndyJeepMan View Post
As long as you have the time, and youre patient and you have access to a nice shop press micrometer, dial indicator and a beam torque wrench you can do your own gear install. I helped do mine on an ARB, and a friend of mine has done his by himself as well.

Just take your time, be patient and check and recheck everything 4 times. A gear install is tedious because you will have to check and recheck backlash and gear engagement which isnt hard, but time consuming and tedious. If youre not comfortable at all in doing it, pay someone to do it. Some people make it sound like God himself created the R&P.
Lol agreed. At least everyone on this thread think its damn near impossible. I've rebuilt a transmission, I think a R&P wouldn't be too far off . With time and money and a tools you can do anything.
05-12-2013 10:09 AM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by freeskier View Post

So you have a dial indicator with magnetic base? BEAM STYLE in/lb torque wrench? 12 ton press? Any idea what any of these tools are used for?

Again, there is a difference between a MINI and MASTER install kit.
Lol in fact I do. And an in ground lift. But thanks for your attitude. Don't need to be an asshole. I'm just trying to get a feel for what I need parts wise to get this done.
05-12-2013 09:07 AM
IndyJeepMan As long as you have the time, and youre patient and you have access to a nice shop press micrometer, dial indicator and a beam torque wrench you can do your own gear install. I helped do mine on an ARB, and a friend of mine has done his by himself as well.

Just take your time, be patient and check and recheck everything 4 times. A gear install is tedious because you will have to check and recheck backlash and gear engagement which isnt hard, but time consuming and tedious. If youre not comfortable at all in doing it, pay someone to do it. Some people make it sound like God himself created the R&P.
05-12-2013 09:05 AM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post
I have every tool I'll ever need. And isn't the install kit included in original picture with the gears?
So you have a dial indicator with magnetic base? BEAM STYLE in/lb torque wrench? 12 ton press? Any idea what any of these tools are used for?

Again, there is a difference between a MINI and MASTER install kit.
05-12-2013 09:02 AM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by tangofox007 View Post

No master install kit in that picture.
Just looked one up.. Looks like this would get expensive in a hurry.. 800+ even if you do it yourself
05-12-2013 08:57 AM
tangofox007
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post
I have every tool I'll ever need. And isn't the install kit included in original picture with the gears?
No master install kit in that picture.
05-12-2013 08:47 AM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by freeskier View Post

If you don't know the Nswer to that you haven't done your research. If you haven't done you research you aren't even close to being prepared to do your own gears.

Short answer is no, you need the gears, a master install kit, and all the associated tools.
I have every tool I'll ever need. And isn't the install kit included in original picture with the gears?
05-12-2013 08:47 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post
Is the only parts I need is the ring and pinion and master install kit? For both axles?
fixed it for you.
05-12-2013 08:45 AM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post
Is the only parts I need is the ring and pinion and seal kit? For both axles?
If you don't know the answer to that you haven't done your research. If you haven't done you research you aren't even close to being prepared to do your own gears.

Short answer is no, you need the gears, a master install kit, and all the associated tools.also the think you posted in the OP only comes with mini install kits. I would get a master install kit with all new bearings.
05-12-2013 08:42 AM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
With 4.88 and 33s I can easily maintain 65-70 up just about any hill in 5th. The only place I have to drop it down is I-70 in the mountains. Particularly Floyd Hill...

Is what the only thing you need?
Is the only parts I need is the ring and pinion and seal kit? For both axles?
05-11-2013 11:10 PM
freeskier With 4.88 and 33s I can easily maintain 65-70 up just about any hill in 5th. The only place I have to drop it down is I-70 in the mountains. Particularly Floyd Hill...

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Is that the only thing I would need besides the Install?
Is what the only thing you need?
05-11-2013 10:15 PM
iiTMRii
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post

I live in Illinois (flat) and I run 33"s
4.88's should work fine for you.
05-11-2013 09:42 PM
PiePuncher Man, headed home from corpus Christi, I was able to hit 92 topped out on the toll road around Austin. Speed limit is 80. I have 31's and 4.11 but did a motor rebuild. I couldn't imagine topping out at 65, I drive 70 every day here on the highways with stereo blasting. There has been times going slight grade against the wind that I have had a hard time getting to 80. Doesn't take much grade to knock speed down but 65 is slow. I do not drive 80+... I have no reason to and the last time I did, I ended up in Williamson county jail because I had no identification. They kept me without bond until they could prove who I was. Sucked
05-11-2013 09:10 PM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by iiTMRii View Post

I can get 70 with no wind or a tail wind in 5th. But up hill it won't..
I live in Illinois (flat) and I run 33"s
05-11-2013 08:31 PM
iiTMRii
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Originally Posted by GingerTJ View Post

Does 5th run highway good? I Max at 65 4th gear 4.10 gears
I can get 70 with no wind or a tail wind in 5th. But up hill it won't..
05-11-2013 08:30 PM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by iiTMRii View Post
I have a 4 banger and 4.88's and it will get my 35's rolling but 5th has no pull up hill.
Does 5th run highway good? I Max at 65 4th gear 4.10 gears
05-11-2013 08:22 PM
iiTMRii I have a 4 banger and 4.88's and it will get my 35's rolling but 5th has no pull up hill.
05-11-2013 08:16 PM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
For 33" tires, 2.5L engine, and 5-speed transmission, 4.88 is indeed the correct ratio. So far as installing the gears yourself, just be aware that there is a lot to getting them installed & set up correctly. Not even many experienced mechanics will tackle installing new R&P gears. I have a shop full of tools, air tools, welder, etc. and have been inside my axles many times but installing new ring & pinion gears is something I let the experts do which I've done twice now over the years.
Is that the only thing I would need besides the Install?
05-11-2013 07:08 PM
Jerry Bransford For 33" tires, 2.5L engine, and 5-speed transmission, 4.88 is indeed the correct ratio. So far as installing the gears yourself, just be aware that there is a lot to getting them installed & set up correctly. Not even many experienced mechanics will tackle installing new R&P gears. I have a shop full of tools, air tools, welder, etc. and have been inside my axles many times but installing new ring & pinion gears is something I let the experts do which I've done twice now over the years.
05-11-2013 05:24 PM
GingerTJ
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Originally Posted by PiePuncher View Post
What size tires and lift? I have 4.11's and 31's on 2 1/2 lift, only time I have issues w 5th is uphill, I just drop to 4th and keep on cruising. Maybe someone w 4.88 will chime in and talk about their top speed and acceleration in fifth. I'm not sure if the cost will be worth the little gain you might get but I'm interested to hear someone's feedback
I dropped both axels today and put back on. Using Milwaukee impact wrench, it was a quick job, two hours in all. If u are not going to upgrade your 35, I still think a swap is easy and quick. Without the proper tools though, it could be a tough job. I think it would take a while without impact wrench and a friend.
I'm not big on outsourcing labor, u don't know exactly the quality of work you are going to get and you are out 120-160 an hour for labor. Doing it yourself, you also learn how to fix the issue in the future if u end up having problems again. Then again, if rebuilding your differential, u do what the other guys have stated and pay a professional. U don't want to make an error on that rebuild
4" lift 33" 12.5 15 tires
05-11-2013 03:34 PM
PiePuncher Did some reading and 4.88 looks good. Good luck w the gear swap.
05-11-2013 02:23 PM
PiePuncher What size tires and lift? I have 4.11's and 31's on 2 1/2 lift, only time I have issues w 5th is uphill, I just drop to 4th and keep on cruising. Maybe someone w 4.88 will chime in and talk about their top speed and acceleration in fifth. I'm not sure if the cost will be worth the little gain you might get but I'm interested to hear someone's feedback
I dropped both axels today and put back on. Using Milwaukee impact wrench, it was a quick job, two hours in all. If u are not going to upgrade your 35, I still think a swap is easy and quick. Without the proper tools though, it could be a tough job. I think it would take a while without impact wrench and a friend.
I'm not big on outsourcing labor, u don't know exactly the quality of work you are going to get and you are out 120-160 an hour for labor. Doing it yourself, you also learn how to fix the issue in the future if u end up having problems again. Then again, if rebuilding your differential, u do what the other guys have stated and pay a professional. U don't want to make an error on that rebuild
05-11-2013 02:07 PM
Water Dog
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Originally Posted by s14sh3r View Post
I think his point is, if not done correctly, you'll be doing it again soon and there goes any savings.
Exactly...spend a dollar to save a dime.
05-11-2013 01:38 PM
s14sh3r
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Originally Posted by tangofox007 View Post
What is there to see?
I think his point is, if not done correctly, you'll be doing it again soon and there goes any savings.
05-11-2013 12:51 PM
tangofox007
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Originally Posted by Water Dog View Post
What is there to see?
05-11-2013 10:39 AM
PStov98TJ
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Originally Posted by Atthehop View Post
If I was going to have a shop swap out gears I would let them buy and sell me the gears, that way if something happens afterwards there is no finger pointing on who was at fault. If you buy cheap gears or even the best gears the shop will most likely say it was bad parts and since you supplied them they will not warranty it. I am sure the parts supplier will warranty them but not the labor.

But it's your money, just spend it wisely.
x2 on this one
05-11-2013 10:36 AM
Atthehop If I was going to have a shop swap out gears I would let them buy and sell me the gears, that way if something happens afterwards there is no finger pointing on who was at fault. If you buy cheap gears or even the best gears the shop will most likely say it was bad parts and since you supplied them they will not warranty it. I am sure the parts supplier will warranty them but not the labor.

But it's your money, just spend it wisely.
05-11-2013 10:31 AM
Water Dog See this thread: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/bear...ad-241890.html
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