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05-14-2013 04:45 PM
HK_Runner As each day passes and I uses my new brakes, they are getting better and better. I can stop so quickly now, that it catches even me off guard sometimes. Pedal feel is firm (braided steel lines too) and hard braking seems to bed in the rotors/calipers more and more.

It is all still only 3-4 days old but this Black Magic setup is as good as everyone claims. On day 4, I can stop quicker than I could stock with stock 32s. I am still going to change the master cylinder though...in the next 2-3 months. Now if I can just get my stupid lift kit sorted out....
05-14-2013 04:10 PM
panthermark I wish they were less expensive and easier. I brake kit is one thing that I've considered on my STOCK Wrangler.
05-14-2013 03:08 PM
nekojku
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Originally Posted by 4WDBRIAN View Post
I have the regular discs. The calipers in this kit are huge! They look like they belong on a 1-ton truck, lol. Also, you have to run a 17" wheel or larger to clear the calipers.

Cool thanks for the info. I'm running on 17's so its all good. Ever since I upgraded the tires to 35" I have felt the brakes taking longer to stop.


Brian
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Originally Posted by Rigger007 View Post
Don't waste money on slotted or drilled rotors. A quality standard rotor will have much better performance. Slots do nothing but use up pads faster and make more dust. Drilling leads to cracks on most rotors since the edges can't be chamfered on the inside.
Makes since. Thanks!
05-14-2013 08:18 AM
Rigger007 Don't waste money on slotted or drilled rotors. A quality standard rotor will have much better performance. Slots do nothing but use up pads faster and make more dust. Drilling leads to cracks on most rotors since the edges can't be chamfered on the inside.
05-14-2013 08:03 AM
4WDBRIAN
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Originally Posted by nekojku View Post
Did you get the slotted or regular discs brakes? I seen both online but zero reviews.
I have the regular discs. The calipers in this kit are huge! They look like they belong on a 1-ton truck, lol. Also, you have to run a 17" wheel or larger to clear the calipers.

Brian
05-13-2013 07:51 PM
Rogerg I think its obvious what some people would consider acceptable.I personally think that the stock brakes are good enough to stop my JK .

Its not as good as my Suburban but way better than my TJ on 35s that when offroad I have to use my emergency brakes when coming down dry waterfalls.

You just drive accordingly to whatever your driving for I could easily rear end somebody if I drive my TJ like I do my JK.
05-13-2013 05:48 PM
Sebastian F7
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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
So how many other mods do your Jeep and S2000 share? Your rotors are all ready strapped for frictional surface real estate under your 15 inch wheel and your solution is to get slotted rotors with even less frictional surface? The design adds no benefit to off roading. I doubt in 4 low with 37 inch aired down tires you have the same braking issues as you do autocrossing your S2000. Your main concern seems to be taking mountain Interstates at 70 mph in which case you've got to get realistic on the fact you're going to lose some road manners once you've lifted your Jeep. Dump trucks don't brake well either, but you don't see slotted rotors on them.

But since I drive a mall crawler I can't possibly know what I'm talking about so do what you want. Don't forget to add the wing for extra downforce.
The dump trucks I drove didnt have discs at all.
05-13-2013 10:46 AM
nekojku
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Originally Posted by 4WDBRIAN View Post
I have the Teraflex big brake kit on my own JK on 37s. Even without the master cylinder installed I notice a difference but with a squishy pedal. Once I install the master, the pedal will have a more positive feel and the vehicle should brake even slightly better from the increased pressure.

Brian
Did you get the slotted or regular discs brakes? I seen both online but zero reviews.
05-13-2013 10:05 AM
4WDBRIAN I have the Teraflex big brake kit on my own JK on 37s. Even without the master cylinder installed I notice a difference but with a squishy pedal. Once I install the master, the pedal will have a more positive feel and the vehicle should brake even slightly better from the increased pressure.

Brian
05-13-2013 03:52 AM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post

I'm not sensitive at all. Your troll posts are annoying. You worry about how you drive your mall crawler and I'll worry about how I drive my rig. It's a V6, not a diesel 8 that's jaked. Drop it in to 4th and still do 70 at 4500-5000 rpm. Great way to treat a motor.
So how many other mods do your Jeep and S2000 share? Your rotors are all ready strapped for frictional surface real estate under your 15 inch wheel and your solution is to get slotted rotors with even less frictional surface? The design adds no benefit to off roading. I doubt in 4 low with 37 inch aired down tires you have the same braking issues as you do autocrossing your S2000. Your main concern seems to be taking mountain Interstates at 70 mph in which case you've got to get realistic on the fact you're going to lose some road manners once you've lifted your Jeep. Dump trucks don't brake well either, but you don't see slotted rotors on them.

But since I drive a mall crawler I can't possibly know what I'm talking about so do what you want. Don't forget to add the wing for extra downforce.
05-12-2013 10:24 PM
overblown Thanks for the fun read guys!
05-12-2013 07:46 PM
metaldemon I know that I have a six speed, but I really don't use my brakes a lot. I normally use engine braking until I have to come to a complete stop. The brakes will lock up all my wheels when I turn off the ABS.
I am not a slow driver by any means. Some of the people at work give me a hard time every time they see me pulled over by a Cop in Jersey. They just don't understand that is the way I have driven for 45 years. It is only a ticket for me in The peoples republic of jersey. No points, because I have a PA licence.
I have no problems with the brakes that came with my JK. I do put the best I can get on my vehicles when it comes time to change. Although the JK is a year old, and they aren't worn out yet which surprises me. I normally go through brakes once a year, but those other jeeps were automatic transmission.
05-12-2013 06:31 PM
HK_Runner Fellows: Probably not too bad, unless you're on some steep and long descents. This is a bit extreme for me (I hate high and steep spines) but I have to do it in Sep/Oct.
05-12-2013 06:27 PM
Riccochet
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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
So sensitive. Try downshifting and staying below 70 mph in the mountains before you end up rolling that thing. It's a lifted Jeep not a sport bike.
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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
So lets say we're only talking trail use for a minute. With aired down 37 inch wheels and shifted into 4 low, is there really a problem with brake fade?
I'm not sensitive at all. Your troll posts are annoying. You worry about how you drive your mall crawler and I'll worry about how I drive my rig. It's a V6, not a diesel 8 that's jaked. Drop it in to 4th and still do 70 at 4500-5000 rpm. Great way to treat a motor.
05-12-2013 06:03 PM
Fellows So lets say we're only talking trail use for a minute. With aired down 37 inch wheels and shifted into 4 low, is there really a problem with brake fade?
05-12-2013 03:28 PM
GoldenSahara00 You guys fight like a bunch of kids

I would want upgraded brakes for offroad with larger heavier tires.
05-12-2013 03:18 PM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
How sweetly sensitive! Maybe you should try contributing to the OP's original issue instead of trying to convince him (and us) that we are all wrong. Try whatever you want...I only use my Jeep to offroad in Moab and Colorado. I don;t really use it as a DD, and I detest malls. Not sure what you have in Texas (well, I actually do) but we are actually trying to be helpful and we also agree with the OP. The stock brakes suck in the mountains. Almost everyone I wheel with says the same thing. Maybe you should stop trying to convince everyone otherwise. Not everyone lives in Texas and drags Main.
You really need to learn to read peoples post before you get all butt hurt when someone disagrees with you. Did you completely miss the part where I said I might upgrade if I lived on verry steep roads? Did you miss the part where I simply gave my experience to why I beleive the brakes arnt as bad as some people make them out to be?

Implying that Texas is all flat shows how much you know about it, and assuming because I live in Texas I don't have a clue what driving on steep roads is like is just plane silly. As far as I am concerned all stock brakes suck in the mountains if you have to use them a lot.


What did you contribute to the OP besides repeatig things that other people say?
05-12-2013 02:05 PM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post

The smart a$$ comments really serve no purpose. I guess because your Jeep never leaves the mall parking lot that no one else's does either. Ever driven around the mountains with very steep graded roads? Ever been coming down the highway with a 8-10% down grade at 70mph? Pretty hard on the brakes when rolling large, heavy tires/wheels. Most of our off-road parks are in the foothills and mountainous areas. Not only is it hard on the brakes to get there and home, but the trails themselves on steep.

But, I guess that matters not. Since no one auto-x's their Jeeps.
So sensitive. Try downshifting and staying below 70 mph in the mountains before you end up rolling that thing. It's a lifted Jeep not a sport bike.
05-12-2013 12:06 PM
HK_Runner How sweetly sensitive! Maybe you should try contributing to the OP's original issue instead of trying to convince him (and us) that we are all wrong. Try whatever you want...I only use my Jeep to offroad in Moab and Colorado. I don;t really use it as a DD, and I detest malls. Not sure what you have in Texas (well, I actually do) but we are actually trying to be helpful and we also agree with the OP. The stock brakes suck in the mountains. Almost everyone I wheel with says the same thing. Maybe you should stop trying to convince everyone otherwise. Not everyone lives in Texas and drags Main.


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So someone who has a different opinion then you basically has no opinion that is worth anything? Maybe I will try this offroading you speak of and see how well the brakes are outside of the mall.
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
So someone who has a different opinion then you basically has no opinion that is worth anything? Maybe I will try this offroading you speak of and see how well the brakes are outside of the mall.
05-12-2013 12:04 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Sebastian F7 View Post

You said stockers were lacking period. I was making the point that it stops more like a truck than a sports car.
I said jeeps period, and the jk brakes are better than the TJ's.
I don't expect them to be all that great fwiw.
05-12-2013 11:35 AM
Sebastian F7
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Why did you quote me? I'm not complaining at all about the stocks.
You said stockers were lacking period. I was making the point that it stops more like a truck than a sports car.
05-12-2013 10:41 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post

I never said the stockers were junk. They do me just fine. I'll upgrade to better rotors and pads when they wear out. As for steep grades on the highway, I pretty much have to ride the brakes since there isn't enough engine braking to keep me from accelerating. 3-4 miles of riding the brakes, yeah, the heat causes some fade.

If anyone really wants to put their brakes to the test take a spin on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Sorry I didn't mean to make it look like you called them junk, I was talking about the other people on this forum who do it all the time. Sucks about not having much engine braking, mine does ok but it likes to hang around 4500rpm on real steep hills.
05-12-2013 10:33 AM
Riccochet
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
Yes I have and last time I rolled my jeep across the scals fully loaded with food, tools, and spare parts for a long ride it came in at 6400lbs with me in it. So add a passenger that's 6600lbs or so with a lot of rotating weight from heavy drive shafts, stupidly heavy wheels and of course the 37's.

The stock brakes do very well with larger tires compared to lots of other vehicles that I have lifted IMO and I don't plan on upgrading mine.

Money was not a factor in this decision so I am not saying they are good enough like some people who want to justify why they don't want to spend the coin on an upgrade. If I felt they needed it I would have upgraded them already. Of course everyone is free to do whatever they want or feel they need to.

Sounds like maybe you need to learn how not to ride your brakes so much? Especially on the trails. Not only can it cause your brakes to fade at the worst of times it all so makes you actually have a LOT less control of you jeep when going down steep trails if they have any loose spots in them.

Just my .02 and of course I only drive on very steep roads 10 or 12 times a year, if I did it every day I might would upgrade the brakes, but that does not mean I would tell everyone that they have to do it also and try to convince them that the stock setup is junk when in fact they work surprisingly well. (For my driving style at least, they may be junk for someone who rides them a lot?)
I never said the stockers were junk. They do me just fine. I'll upgrade to better rotors and pads when they wear out. As for steep grades on the highway, I pretty much have to ride the brakes since there isn't enough engine braking to keep me from accelerating. 3-4 miles of riding the brakes, yeah, the heat causes some fade.

If anyone really wants to put their brakes to the test take a spin on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
05-12-2013 10:28 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
I rarely ride my brakes. In fact, I changed front brakes on my 4Runner and Subaru and even my Suburban at over 70K. All three (and my Suburban is a heavy-duty at around 8,000 lbs) outstopped my lifted JK after its lift. This is something most offroaders contend with here, and upgrade brakes. Maybe you don't have these issues in flatland USA or maybe you have some extra special factory brakes or maybe you have low braking standards. Let's leave it at that, and not try to convince someone (who has noticed this) otherwise. You're adding no value. Even export JKs have bigger pads and rotors.
So someone who has a different opinion then you basically has no opinion that is worth anything? Maybe I will try this offroading you speak of and see how well the brakes are outside of the mall.
05-12-2013 10:22 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by nekojku View Post

I was interested in the Teraflex Brake Kit with Slotted Discs.

Also, these kits are for the front brakes only. So upgrading the fronts only is ok?

Any thoughts?
70/80% of the braking is done with the front brakes.
05-12-2013 10:20 AM
HK_Runner I rarely ride my brakes. In fact, I changed front brakes on my 4Runner and Subaru and even my Suburban at over 70K. All three (and my Suburban is a heavy-duty at around 8,000 lbs) outstopped my lifted JK after its lift. This is something most offroaders contend with here, and upgrade brakes. Maybe you don't have these issues in flatland USA or maybe you have some extra special factory brakes or maybe you have low braking standards. Let's leave it at that, and not try to convince someone (who has noticed this) otherwise. You're adding no value. Even export JKs have bigger pads and rotors.
05-12-2013 10:17 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Sebastian F7 View Post

You guys drive vettes and mustangs? Nothing lacking about wrangler brakes, just stops more like a truck than a sports car. If you think the wrangler has lackluster stopping power go drive a 1 ton especially an early 2000's Ford.
Why did you quote me? I'm not complaining at all about the stocks.
05-12-2013 10:13 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post

The smart a$$ comments really serve no purpose. I guess because your Jeep never leaves the mall parking lot that no one else's does either. Ever driven around the mountains with very steep graded roads? Ever been coming down the highway with a 8-10% down grade at 70mph? Pretty hard on the brakes when rolling large, heavy tires/wheels. Most of our off-road parks are in the foothills and mountainous areas. Not only is it hard on the brakes to get there and home, but the trails themselves on steep.

But, I guess that matters not. Since no one auto-x's their Jeeps.
Yes I have and last time I rolled my jeep across the scals fully loaded with food, tools, and spare parts for a long ride it came in at 6400lbs with me in it. So add a passenger that's 6600lbs or so with a lot of rotating weight from heavy drive shafts, stupidly heavy wheels and of course the 37's.

The stock brakes do very well with larger tires compared to lots of other vehicles that I have lifted IMO and I don't plan on upgrading mine.

Money was not a factor in this decision so I am not saying they are good enough like some people who want to justify why they don't want to spend the coin on an upgrade. If I felt they needed it I would have upgraded them already. Of course everyone is free to do whatever they want or feel they need to.

Sounds like maybe you need to learn how not to ride your brakes so much? Especially on the trails. Not only can it cause your brakes to fade at the worst of times it all so makes you actually have a LOT less control of you jeep when going down steep trails if they have any loose spots in them.

Just my .02 and of course I only drive on very steep roads 10 or 12 times a year, if I did it every day I might would upgrade the brakes, but that does not mean I would tell everyone that they have to do it also and try to convince them that the stock setup is junk when in fact they work surprisingly well. (For my driving style at least, they may be junk for someone who rides them a lot?)
05-12-2013 09:25 AM
JKjingle
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Originally Posted by Riccochet View Post

The smart a$$ comments really serve no purpose. I guess because your Jeep never leaves the mall parking lot that no one else's does either. Ever driven around the mountains with very steep graded roads? Ever been coming down the highway with a 8-10% down grade at 70mph? Pretty hard on the brakes when rolling large, heavy tires/wheels. Most of our off-road parks are in the foothills and mountainous areas. Not only is it hard on the brakes to get there and home, but the trails themselves on steep.

But, I guess that matters not. Since no one auto-x's their Jeeps.
I agree what's this thought that you only need good brakes if you go fast? I used to drive 5 ton trucks all over the countryside they were damn slow and man when the brakes started to fade on steep hills it was scary. The company I worked for was cheap and retarded so the brakes were often sub par. A heavily loaded jeep with large tires may be putting the stocks to there limit.
05-12-2013 08:32 AM
Riccochet
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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
Don't see many Jeeps auto crossing.
The smart a$$ comments really serve no purpose. I guess because your Jeep never leaves the mall parking lot that no one else's does either. Ever driven around the mountains with very steep graded roads? Ever been coming down the highway with a 8-10% down grade at 70mph? Pretty hard on the brakes when rolling large, heavy tires/wheels. Most of our off-road parks are in the foothills and mountainous areas. Not only is it hard on the brakes to get there and home, but the trails themselves on steep.

But, I guess that matters not. Since no one auto-x's their Jeeps.
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