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05-15-2013 08:34 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Like I said, occupy yourself with a bad guy out to get cha, an Evil Doer, and then you can have a White Horse to save the day. But that's a fairytale, not real life.

He's gonna get out of it - why on Earth wouldn't he? He has done far worse already, as well as his predecessor, and neither recieved anything but a good Hannity bashing from it and a MSDNC praise ceremony (but for his predecessor, it was news channels flipped). If you think the President has so much power, why wouldn't he do any of the things he said he would? I mean he has done nothing for anyone, just weak compromise after weak compromise that left everyone disappointed, both sides. Congress and SCOTUS have more power than him, and it shows.

But really, you would prefer President Biden? Hehehe. That's his secret weapon.
05-15-2013 07:26 PM
SmugglersBlues
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
Kudos to you though for bringing topics out into the open, let's just remember how outspoken we were when a president we like does the same thing.

I was just as vocal then. I dont follow any party I'm unenrolled and have voted for a member of each party at different times.

Either way, high levels of govt lied. Just like Iraq wmds. Just like before that, and before that, and that other time before that, etc, etc. And Americans were hung out to dry by Uncle Sam, just like the time before, etc.

Exactly true. Never trust any politician they will tell you what they need to further whatever agenda they have.

Bamers isn't the problem, and the notion he has come to unravel the Glorious Union is, imo, a bit silly. But it keeps you occupied with a 'bad guy', so the puppeteers can continue the dance. Just like Dubya did. And just like the next one will.
His own words were "to fundamentally change the united states" Yes I do believe it and no one will convince me otherwise. (silly or not.)

I just dont see how he's going to escape this one. Dont even get me started on operation fast and furious. Bottom line is responsiblity he needs to start taking some. Stop blaming everyone. If he were to come out and say yes I gave the order or this is my fault I would respect him. I still wouldn't like him but I would respect him.
05-15-2013 07:13 PM
jimbot Keep this up, and you are gonna get us all audited by the IRS.
05-15-2013 06:51 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Gotta get money out of politics. And as long as there is a FED, you'll be contolled.

I get what you're saying, but that isn't quite accurate. The 'college kids', come to find out, were undercover police and had been stealing from the homes of the 'thug gang', after giving them those 'sticks'. And some sources claim that the 'thug gang' was told they could go get paid money for giving the 'sticks' back but were sure ticked off to find out they couldn't, because the 'college kids' had full pockets & duffels. From looting the homes, remember? I have also read those 'college kids' had lasers on target for about 5 hours, waiting on a strike that never came. So it isn't quite the same, imo. Kudos to you though for bringing topics out into the open, let's just remember how outspoken we were when a president we like does the same thing.

Either way, high levels of govt lied. Just like Iraq wmds. Just like before that, and before that, and that other time before that, etc, etc. And Americans were hung out to dry by Uncle Sam, just like the time before, etc.

Bamers isn't the problem, and the notion he has come to unravel the Glorious Union is, imo, a bit silly. But it keeps you occupied with a 'bad guy', so the puppeteers can continue the dance. Just like Dubya did. And just like the next one will.
05-15-2013 06:00 PM
SmugglersBlues theblaze.com I've found to be pretty good source. As others have said do your own research never believe everything you read. If you want to know basically what happened there. I wrote something that make is relateable to anyone. I've also lost a couple friends because of what I wrote. They were huge obama supporters and couldnt take the fact that after reading what I wrote they too thought someone needed to be held accountable. Here is the story I told them.

(disclamer I hate obama, really hate isnt a strong enough word. I would also hate a republican if they were doing what he's been doing. I honestly believe he is trying to destroy our country as we know it. That being said I'm not going to turn your thread into a political debate just here is the story that I wrote tell me what you think)

How would this story strike you?
Four college students were killed today after a fight with a street gang broke out. The four students had become lost in a neighborhood with a very high crime rate. The police were able to monitor the events, via live feed traffic camera, there were also several patrol cars in the immediate area. One of the students was able to call 911 and ask for help. The 911 dispatcher then requested the police to respond. The Chief of police ordered his officers to disregard the plea for help and not respond into that neighborhood. The 911 dispatcher told the students, help wasn't coming,then disconnected the call. Over a short period of time the Chief of Police and several other high ranking police officials watched the screen of the live feed traffic camera as the four students were beaten to death by the gang

This is basically what happened in Benghazi.
05-15-2013 05:49 PM
whetstone Except for voting for Obama, my politics sound alot like yours. I started voting for 3rd party candidates at Bush's 2nd term. Back to back, there has never been a worse unbroken chain of fail in the White House.
We'll never repair this country until the 2 party system is gone
05-15-2013 04:09 PM
fan of fanboys I have strong disdain for Bush. I voted for Obama his first term. I consider Bush one of the worst presidents ever. And Obama has exceeded him. I think can argue Obama is the worst president ever. Between NDAA, Benghazi, the recent AP about tapping, the IRS targeting tea party, Obamacare. And the worst thing is the lie. Honestly if anyone else did it would still suck. But he lied to everyone, and different lie of most politicians. He was hope and change. He would do different. Not only was he NOT different but he was worse at same things. Top 3 worst president ever.
I will say I was for the auto bailout. And I think it was a success. That would be his silver lining. But outside that it is a disgusting time as president. Country will have 16 years of poor leadership once he is done. I hope we get someone truly better soon.
We need Rand Paul or Gary Johnson. And tho I know will never happen like to see them run as a team. Country will be on best path possible if get either.
05-14-2013 12:00 AM
TheDesertOutlaw Anthony Bourdain finds this American favorite in Libya - YouTube
05-13-2013 11:56 PM
TheDesertOutlaw Anthony Bourdain meets Libyan Boy Scouts - YouTube
05-13-2013 09:25 PM
2xs Facebook, just look at anything conservative, they have ALL the actual facts....
05-13-2013 07:30 PM
Senior Chief Not to be a smartass, but having visited that sh*thole part of the world a couple of times, I'd say the only place to learn about Bengazi is Bengazi. Anything you get on this side of the planet, comes with an agenda. IMHO
05-13-2013 01:27 PM
Chili99 The only media that has been covering it on TV is FOX....the Main Stream Drive By media is catching on....check theblaze.com Glenn Becks news site....no matter what you think about Beck he has been on this way out in front of everyone else and he reports stuff weeks before the rest even think about it.....people say he is a conspiracy theorist but until you show me where he is wrong they are just in denial.

The important thing to remember is this isn't or shouldn't be a political issue...I don't care what side of the aisle you are on you should be pissed about what is going on.
05-13-2013 01:19 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Dude, if Bush had done something this idiotic (especially the talking points), both you and I would be calling for impeachment


He did, and we did.
05-13-2013 10:27 AM
jimbot
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
This is WF. We all know its 100% Obama's fault and wouldn't have happened under Bush. Duh
Dude, if Bush had done something this idiotic (especially the talking points), both you and I would be calling for impeachment
05-12-2013 07:17 PM
fan of fanboys This is WF. We all know its 100% Obama's fault and wouldn't have happened under Bush. Duh
05-12-2013 06:12 PM
1jeeplvr Yes thanks BlueRidge.I think Ill have to read it a few times to fully understand.Im slow like that lol
05-12-2013 10:35 AM
JPi4.0
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
I'd try blacklisted news, infowars, gregpalast.com, your anon news, etc.

As said above, take ALL media with a grain of salt. Read for comprehension and draw your own conclusions. If it's on t.v., they're probably lying. And always ask 'why' and 'how'.

From what I have gathered: We wanted Gaddafi/Qadaffi ousted from power because he was slaughtering his populace (nothing new here). We tried aerial domination, it didn't do enough. So we decided to arm locals with small arms who were able to directly combat his forces. They did, and with US and French air support (the French and Itallians cared because most of their oil, or at least a decent percentage, comes from Libya) they were able to take the Gaddifi regime out of power and execute him. One less bad dictator on Earth - All good, right?

Except fastforward a bit and 4 Americans wind up dead in an apparent attack on a US controlled property, a 'mission house' (which is not an embassy). 30 people were stationed here: 7 state department employees, and 23 CIA contractors. Bamers says a video, which did piss off a lot of Egyptians, is to blame.

So what happened Sept 11? Well, after the fall of Gaddafi, the CIA went straight for the munitions of the Libyan government (Gadaffis guns) and on Sept 6 a ship with 400 tons of cargo left Benghazi for Turkey - mostly with Sa7 rocket launchers and small arms - destined for the Syrian rebels now fighting the Assad regime. Two men were very instrumental and involved with this: the late Ambassador Stephens, and the resigned CIA director Petraeus.

The security forces of the embassy were well aware of what was happening. Those forces, hired by the CIA, were armed locals - the same ones we armed to oust Gaddafi. They were also 'extremist muslims' with definative links to Al Quada. They did not like what was happening so they raided the mission house. When the 'friendly locals' found out about it, they took the Ambassador to the hospital, but it was too late. 3 American 'security officers' were also killed defending the house and evacuating the other Americans to another local safe house.

Why didn't help come? According to the #2 to Ambassador Stephens, the whislte blower of the whole deal, Gregory Hicks, the forces were ready to dispatch from an airbase in Tripoli, but were told by African Command they did not 'have authority' to go. The plane left without them. Who ultimately denied that response group is the grand question, and all clues point to at LEAST secretary Clinton having knowledge before hand, if not Bamers himself. It is certain from emails sent from Amb Stephens 30 days before the attack that he felt an attack was imminent. The State Department and CIA were absolutely aware of the situation and potential for attack, but neither did anything to beef up security at all. They were not even allowed a fighter jet flyover, something 30 minutes out, because the State Department did not seek permission from the Libyans for use of their air space. Even this simple action would likely have disbanded the aggressors.

All I can do is speculate to why, but with Gaddafi and the guns gone we no longer needed a Benghazi mission house, especially one so well known by locals. And what an embarassment it would be to have a military showdown with the security forces we armed and hired. So we did nothing. Maybe they thought we'd get out first, or that the locals would save the day. Maybe the assumed they could control the media while eliminating most involved in a shady international arms deal. What did happen - 4 Americans died, and we made up a story about protestors and a video, another lie to the masses.
Great assessment. Great post.
05-12-2013 10:26 AM
BlueRidgeYJ I'd try blacklisted news, infowars, gregpalast.com, your anon news, etc.

As said above, take ALL media with a grain of salt. Read for comprehension and draw your own conclusions. If it's on t.v., they're probably lying. And always ask 'why' and 'how'.

From what I have gathered: We wanted Gaddafi/Qadaffi ousted from power because he was slaughtering his populace (nothing new here). We tried aerial domination, it didn't do enough. So we decided to arm locals with small arms who were able to directly combat his forces. They did, and with US and French air support (the French and Itallians cared because most of their oil, or at least a decent percentage, comes from Libya) they were able to take the Gaddifi regime out of power and execute him. One less bad dictator on Earth - All good, right?

Except fastforward a bit and 4 Americans wind up dead in an apparent attack on a US controlled property, a 'mission house' (which is not an embassy). 30 people were stationed here: 7 state department employees, and 23 CIA contractors. Bamers says a video, which did piss off a lot of Egyptians, is to blame.

So what happened Sept 11? Well, after the fall of Gaddafi, the CIA went straight for the munitions of the Libyan government (Gadaffis guns) and on Sept 6 a ship with 400 tons of cargo left Benghazi for Turkey - mostly with Sa7 rocket launchers and small arms - destined for the Syrian rebels now fighting the Assad regime. Two men were very instrumental and involved with this: the late Ambassador Stephens, and the resigned CIA director Petraeus.

The security forces of the embassy were well aware of what was happening. Those forces, hired by the CIA, were armed locals - the same ones we armed to oust Gaddafi. They were also 'extremist muslims' with definative links to Al Quada. They did not like what was happening so they raided the mission house. When the 'friendly locals' found out about it, they took the Ambassador to the hospital, but it was too late. 3 American 'security officers' were also killed defending the house and evacuating the other Americans to another local safe house.

Why didn't help come? According to the #2 to Ambassador Stephens, the whislte blower of the whole deal, Gregory Hicks, the forces were ready to dispatch from an airbase in Tripoli, but were told by African Command they did not 'have authority' to go. The plane left without them. Who ultimately denied that response group is the grand question, and all clues point to at LEAST secretary Clinton having knowledge before hand, if not Bamers himself. It is certain from emails sent from Amb Stephens 30 days before the attack that he felt an attack was imminent. The State Department and CIA were absolutely aware of the situation and potential for attack, but neither did anything to beef up security at all. They were not even allowed a fighter jet flyover, something 30 minutes out, because the State Department did not seek permission from the Libyans for use of their air space. Even this simple action would likely have disbanded the aggressors.

All I can do is speculate to why, but with Gaddafi and the guns gone we no longer needed a Benghazi mission house, especially one so well known by locals. And what an embarassment it would be to have a military showdown with the security forces we armed and hired. So we did nothing. Maybe they thought we'd get out first, or that the locals would save the day. Maybe they assumed they could control the media while eliminating most involved in a shady international arms deal. What did happen - 4 Americans died, and we made up a story about protestors and a video, another lie to the masses.

And don't think already having armed Syrians won't come back around for another scandal.
05-11-2013 10:04 AM
JPi4.0 No matter where you get your info just know the whole situation is a circus. Right now the main focus is on the cover up that occurred after the attack.
We probably will never know why they covered it up.
But I think they were illegally supplying arms to Syria and the attack was a deal gone bad. (No facts just my opinion)

It is upsetting that all the focus is on the cover up and not the cause.
An American ambassador was killed. That's a big f'ing deal.
05-11-2013 09:58 AM
JPi4.0 Read it. Try wnd dot com. Also look at the drudge report.

You also can get a lot of information at patriot radio.

But be careful there because the facts are interjected with commentary and opinion as well.
05-11-2013 09:46 AM
1jeeplvr I wouldent trust anyone who I cant decide if there gay or not.
05-10-2013 10:11 PM
Wranglin4Life I watch Tosh.0 for the real facts.
05-10-2013 09:42 PM
1jeeplvr
Where can I find out about Bengazi

Where can I find the info of whats going on,thats correct? I hate relying on the news for accurate info.
Im really trying to get more involved in this type of thing and learn.

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