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05-13-2013 09:32 PM
SmugglersBlues I think it was about a guy in a BMW looking depressed or something. Or someone caught a fish or something. Who care lets get back to talking mods on Jeeps.
05-13-2013 07:27 PM
JEEPbug What was this thread originally about?
05-13-2013 07:23 PM
blackrubi003 Well for me........no kids, ever.. I have 4 nephews and 2 nieces, and i'm not close to any of them, nor am I close to my siblings. I am a firm believer that when you have children you live for them and I'm not cool with that. I don't care about my legacy or any of that. I live for me, I do what I want, and when I'm dead throw me in the ground and forget about me. That's just me though. I'm not knocking any of you guys for having kids. It's your life, do what you want with it.
05-13-2013 06:58 PM
BlueRidgeYJ "...sense of accomplishment you will never know."

Lol, to each his own. I have experienced things, accomplishments if you will, that would not have been possible with children - and I don't plan on stopping. Some seek different treasures in this life, and that doesn't make them/us/ya'll any better or worse than a turkey, so to speak. 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness' - whatever that may be, right? I find what makes me happy, I hope you have too (sounds like it!).

I happen to think introducing children into this world is quite a cruel trick, and I have a very close relation with 3 nephews & neices; I see them daily and have their whole lives. I know the whole 'love of a child' deal, and would do anything for em. That said, my brother is a fool; he had 3.

If you wait to until you're ready, you won't be. If two people have more than two, they are illogical. It is not the time of Genesis and Father Abraham. We could maintain easily. Ideally, everyone on Earth would have 1 child for 4 generations, but forcing that imposes on the entire Pursuit of Happiness deal, and that ain't cool. So we continually grow, much like a cancerous cell in a host environment, burning through resources with no worries of tomorrows meals. But I digress...

On a side note, I am not the 1st born. I wonder how many of us 'pros' and 'cons' are each.

Oh yeah, CJs that are used wave, CJs refurb'd don't. YJs stock are 50/50, modded are 98%, TJs are 75%+ regardless, JKs 50/50, JKUs 30% - Just to cover all the crazy that is this thread.
05-13-2013 02:44 PM
joeuncool Immortality does exist. It is in your children. Pass your genetic material down and a piece of you lives on forever. At least until that line is cut with no children.

Anyway, I have had guys in BMW's give me that look. I also have a look that that I shoot back that says, "No matter what you are driving, I am still having more fun driving mine."
05-13-2013 02:37 PM
SmugglersBlues No thank you. No kids never wanted them never will. Always liked being the fun uncle with the toys. As with modifiying your jeep, to each their own. I've never judged anyone that had kids and cant stand when people say "you'd feel different if you had your own". I like to say to them do you want a pet snake etc well you'd feel different if you had your own. Anyone as I said to each their own. My other half is a teacher at a behavioral school so she gets her fill of kids on a daily basis.
05-13-2013 02:13 PM
JEEPbug Ohioviper...... Very very well put. I wouldn't give up any of my 3 kids for anything on gods earth. And I would gladly give everything for them. EVERYTHING.....
05-13-2013 02:02 PM
dalearyous i found quite the opposite.

rubicons always wave, saharas never, sports are a maybe unless they have mods then its a yes.

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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
05-13-2013 01:43 PM
Billybaldin
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
Having kids is the greatest accomplishment in life.No amount of wealth or material things will make you feel better than the feeling you get standing there looking at your family. I married at 19 with a baby on the way. Everyone said it wouldnt last. 23 years later I am still married to my wonderful wife and I have a 22 yo daughter and son-in law and a 20 yo son in college and a 8 month old grand baby boy that I wouldnt trade anything for.

Yea it was hard when we started out we didnt have squat I was that guy in the grey car but years of hard work and I have almost anything a man could want plus my family.Lifes short and even shorter for some. You never know how many years your gonna have here so make the most of it and dont wait on material things to start a family. I have a friend who always said he wouldnt have kids ect ect. Well now he has 2 little ones at age 46 and they wear his as out and now he has some serious health issues and is afraid he is not going to live long enough to raise them. I also have some serious health issues but I have some peace of mind as mine are raised and I have fulfilled my part so I am good to check out when ever the good lord deems it time.

So yea you may have felt sorry for him and he may have well been sitting there thinking he would like to be you but in 20 years the tables will turn.He will be pulling up in his new Jeep and a sense of accomplishment you will never know.
Amen brother!!
05-13-2013 01:37 PM
yacc You get out of life what you put into it. You can knock having kids if you want to, but I have never heard of an old man on his death bed wishing he had spend more time sleeping with a dog in his lap when the end was near....

If you want to reduce your time on this planet down to trying to do as little as possible, then more power to you I guess. You can deny it as long as you want, but most everyone on the planet is biologically wired to want to reproduce. It certainly is not for everyone, and I commend those that recognize it is not for them before they reproduce and decide to be a crappy parent.


And I will grant you one thing, having a kid is no accomplishment at all. Raising a kid right, now that is a hell of an accomplishment, and like life itself, you get out of it what you put into it. I made sport teams, I have an engineering degree and an MBA, have had great jobs, good money, invested well, and so on and so on. I will tell you this though, my little ones are my legacy, period, raising them right is by far the most difficult thing I have had to do, and the thing I am most proud of. So please don't say raising kid's is no accomplishment.

Anyhow, please don't feel sorry for me if you see me in my JKU with two small kids in the back seat. I am happy as hell that they are there, and if it came down to it, would trade it for a rusty old gray corolla in a heartbeat, and would not lose a minute's sleep over it. Luckily for me, I put a ton of effort into education and career in my teens and twenties, and now I do not have to make those tough choices, I can have my cake and eat it too.
05-13-2013 01:12 PM
PapaSpikey I get the whole enjoy yer life while you're young before having kids, but nuttin' beats having my 2 Lil boys hopping up and down excited to be riding in "Papa's Jeep"... Also been shopping to get a lift kit and wheels and tires and can't wait to work on it with my 2 Lil boys.... You can have the best of both worlds... Just sayin'.
05-13-2013 01:09 PM
legitposter I fail to see why people say having kids is an accomplishment. It achieves nothing except introduce more pollution into an overpopulated world. I mean wow, we're already at a point where you can't even eat fish out of the ocean due to contamination and we're still adding to the population? If you want to nurture and raise something then just get a puppy.

I've come to realize having kids is really just a stereotype that many societies have created. It's almost like a 'script', if you follow it then you'll be considered "accomplished". If you deviate from it then you're a failure. I know many people who have kids because you're, uhm, 'supposed to' have kids but no one can really provide any real rationale behind it. Again, it all goes back to following society's 'script'.

The amount of napping I do, with dogs laying on top of me, is about the equal to the amount of stressing and driving around that my friend does with his two small children. I'll take the napping

Anyways, I just had to let that out.
05-13-2013 01:02 PM
JeepBugs7 I waited until my 2 kids were older and I had a little more discretionary income before getting my Jeep. As far as having kids, sometimes I feel that the joy they bring is worth the trouble. Sometimes I'm not so sure. Anyway, the only advice I would offer is that if you and your spouse really want kids then do it. If neither one is sure, then I'd suggest not having kids. It is a LOT of work!!
05-12-2013 08:10 PM
ohioviper
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Originally Posted by Chrimbler View Post
Ummmmm, did you miss the part where I said my kids were all grown up??....
Sorry man I didnt. Nobody told me when I got older my eyes would get bad and my testosterone levels would drop and I would get all sentimental and gushy and go off on rants about how much I love my family.
05-12-2013 07:49 PM
JEEPbug "Monday".... Got it. Hadn't heard that one before.
05-12-2013 07:39 PM
Nano As for the kid thing. I'm just living my life the way it's playing out. My father wasn't a father, he wasn't there, my mom worked her arse off to raise two kids. My sister has two kids with a good husband and a cute dog, an adorable family. I've done what my father couldn't, by keeping it in my pants. I'm not avoiding women, I'm just not chasing everything under the sun. If I find a good woman, then I may become a father, whether mine or not. For now, I have an awesome dog, great family & friends, a good house, and my dream job.

As for all the money I'm not spending on a good woman, I've got a modified TJ Sport and a stock JKU Rubicon. If I see a Wrangler, I wave. If I notice a modified XJ, I'll wave back.
05-12-2013 07:35 PM
Ponderosa I had my first kid at 47. I had the toys first, then the kids and now I have both together along with the maturity that made me a whole lot better parent than I would have been in my 20s.
05-12-2013 06:40 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by JEEPbug View Post
I'm sorry...."Monday"?
when someone comes into work on a monday and they're really pissed off.
"say lawrence when you go into work on a monday and your not feeling too good does anyone ever say to you sounds like a case of the monday's?""no, no man, shit no, i reckon you'd get your ass kicked saying something like that.

In a bad mood... they're like you feel when you have to go to work on monday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw
05-12-2013 06:30 PM
JEEPbug
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

As a TJ owner... solid front gets a wave unless I'm sensing they're a Monday. But I keep my arm ready for action just in case. One exception: I don't wave at jeeps with stupid wheels.

JK owners are poor wavers here in the bay area, maybe 4/10.
CJ-7 -- all.
YJ/TJ -- 8 or 9 / 10.

Seems like all the JK owners keep their windows up and AC on too. If it's not warm/or really hot and the windows are down/no top/safari top it's about 100% for those folk (but they're rarely driving a JK).

I too don't see how this is relevant, but the kids discussion needed to be lightened up.
I'm sorry...."Monday"?
05-12-2013 06:27 PM
JEEPbug
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
X2!! Lot of jeeps in the Chicagoland area and I have noticed this same thing!
05-12-2013 06:27 PM
10Anvil I've been a JKU owner for a few days. All of the folks on post I've come across (military) have waved. None of the folks off post have waved.

I'm a harley owner so I'm always prepared for 'the wave'.
05-12-2013 06:17 PM
n00g7
Quote:
Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
As a TJ owner... solid front gets a wave unless I'm sensing they're a Monday. But I keep my arm ready for action just in case. One exception: I don't wave at jeeps with stupid wheels.

JK owners are poor wavers here in the bay area, maybe 4/10.
CJ-7 -- all.
YJ/TJ -- 8 or 9 / 10.

Seems like all the JK owners keep their windows up and AC on too. If it's not warm/or really hot and the windows are down/no top/safari top it's about 100% for those folk (but they're rarely driving a JK).

I too don't see how this is relevant, but the kids discussion needed to be lightened up.
05-12-2013 06:13 PM
10Anvil 3 kids was his problem. That is van territory. 2 kids lets you fit in most any car as long as it isn't a 2 seater.
05-12-2013 05:54 PM
RevCo666 One of my friends who let me test drive his 2009 4dr JK before I bought my TJ (just to get a feel of what a jeep is all about) had to sell his jeep recently because he is expecting his 3rd daughter in a few months (not enough room for 3 car seats) when I asked him last month where the JK was... He was quite sad about it BUT said when the time comes, he's getting back in the saddle when the kids don't require the car seats anymore...
05-12-2013 05:44 PM
10Anvil Kids are awesome, the ups and downs are part of life. I have two car seats taking up the rear seats of my JKU.

It is really difficult to understand the pleasure of kids until you have them. Most who don't have them express their joy of not being burdened by them, they just don't get it. You have to live it to understand.
05-12-2013 05:42 PM
FIREMIA We all have great accomplishments in life but I think better phrased is, what's your legacy after your mere 80 years on this sphere? Several things can be but nothing will make a greater lasting impact then the continuation of your family tree. 2nd Sahara I've owned, 39. Dates wife since 14. Married since 21. First of 3 kids at 27. Fireman(love helping people and getting dirty and bloody while doing it) and I still get that look from guys all the time. Many younger than me. It's not age or children. It's an attitude. And that's what I love about jeep owners and this forum. Free spirits. Peace.
05-12-2013 05:34 PM
Pennsyman
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
Having kids is the greatest accomplishment in life.No amount of wealth or material things will make you feel better than the feeling you get standing there looking at your family. I married at 19 with a baby on the way. Everyone said it wouldnt last. 23 years later I am still married to my wonderful wife and I have a 22 yo daughter and son-in law and a 20 yo son in college and a 8 month old grand baby boy that I wouldnt trade anything for.

Yea it was hard when we started out we didnt have squat I was that guy in the grey car but years of hard work and I have almost anything a man could want plus my family.Lifes short and even shorter for some. You never know how many years your gonna have here so make the most of it and dont wait on material things to start a family. I have a friend who always said he wouldnt have kids ect ect. Well now he has 2 little ones at age 46 and they wear his as out and now he has some serious health issues and is afraid he is not going to live long enough to raise them. I also have some serious health issues but I have some peace of mind as mine are raised and I have fulfilled my part so I am good to check out when ever the good lord deems it time.

So yea you may have felt sorry for him and he may have well been sitting there thinking he would like to be you but in 20 years the tables will turn.He will be pulling up in his new Jeep and a sense of accomplishment you will never know.
Hey Viper....good to hear that you are a proud Dad and all...but face the fact that not everyone feels like you do...
As for a "sense of accomplishment"....yeah, I guess so....but is having a kid or several really an accomplishment? Fulfillment maybe...
05-12-2013 05:34 PM
RevCo666
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
I'm at a loss what your post has to do with this thread...? There is a thread on the "the Jeep Wave being dead" or something like that.
05-12-2013 05:29 PM
Tweak
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
I wave at everything with a jeep logo and a solid front axle. I usually can tell beforehand who is going to wave with one look at the person driving it.
05-12-2013 05:21 PM
legitposter
The 'level' of JK seems to directly correlate to the chance of a wave?

It's interesting.. It seems like the more 'basic' a Wrangler is, the more willing and happy to wave the owner is. And of course vice versa.

1. Sport owners - Seem to always wave, some of them VERY enthusiastically.
2. Sahara/Special Edition owners - More than likely to wave
3. Highly modified JK owners - 50/50 shot at a wave
4. Rubicon owners - Rarely waves

Do some higher level JK owners just look down on the more basic of JKs? Or does a higher JK simply correlate to the owner's income level and that is what affects the chances of giving waves out?

Perhaps we can all chime in with our reasons.
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