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05-15-2013 10:01 AM
UFOtestpilot EDIT: I see it was actually already linked above. Ah, well here it is again.


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Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
how much were the parts for the Vanco kit and what does it include?
http://shop.savvyoffroad.com/product.sc?productId=76

Since I want new knuckles, and the rotors could use replacing, and because it would be an upgrade worth the $, I have it on my list.
05-15-2013 08:21 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
Will do, Thanks

Half the components on my Jeep are 2nd hand, craigslist, junkyard and DIY/homemade/hybrid stuff...so a used set of calipers fit right in!
Little known fact about aftermarket brake part remanufacturers is they have to build a core bank to have parts to rebuild. That means they start with a pretty good pile of new parts to get started so when I ordered some premium remans for Kat's rig, those came in and were new OEM.

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One of these days you'll have to tell me about this Dakota master/booster swap....
It would have been easier to do hydroboost. The Dakota booster is offset to one side and building a bracket to adapt it to the firewall wasn't fun.
05-14-2013 09:26 PM
flflash
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Originally Posted by SeVeReDiStOrTiOn View Post
That seems a little high even for OE parts...especially the pads.
Those prices are directly out of the Mitchell1 Price Estimating guide, if you don't know what that is it's the replacement for the old Chiltons and Alldata estimating guides.
Here it is: OnDemand5.com: online auto repair, estimating, and service information
05-14-2013 08:40 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
Fortunately you are one of only a very small number of folks I would trust with some used parts.
....
Let me know how long it takes them to quit improving. For us it's around 800 miles or so in stop and go.
Will do, Thanks

Half the components on my Jeep are 2nd hand, craigslist, junkyard and DIY/homemade/hybrid stuff...so a used set of calipers fit right in!

One of these days you'll have to tell me about this Dakota master/booster swap....
05-14-2013 08:01 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
check www.savvyoffroad.com and www.vancopbs.com for new prices & availability. I think they did a redesign with new knuckles.

I was lucky enough to find mine on craigslist for $650.


Amazing. I got the Black Magic pads broken in and it's definitely got another step up in stopping power from the 46mm calipers/Stop-Tech pads/Centric rotors. As the new pads heat up, they get even better and I can lock up the fronts at the drop of a hat....so I'm still recalibrating my foot to hold right on the edge of that lock-up vs traction threshold. I really appreciate surprising the lowered "tuner" kids that insist on follow too closely to my rear bumper....and just driving around, once again, I'm stopping 20 ft too short for stop lights .
I just finished Kat's and put new stuff identical to yours on hers which is exactly where you got yours from. Fortunately you are one of only a very small number of folks I would trust with some used parts.

Anyway, take your performance and double it, that's what we get from hers due to the very large Dakota booster I swapped in a few years ago. You probably have somewhere in the 14-1600 psi range, the Dakota adds a 1000 psi to that if I use the same master. I measured it when I first installed it at 2750 psi. I upped it to the larger Durango 1 1/16" bore to drop the pressure and increase pedal feel and it's just fairly amazing.

Let me know how long it takes them to quit improving. For us it's around 800 miles or so in stop and go.
05-14-2013 07:28 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
how much were the parts for the Vanco kit and what does it include?
check www.savvyoffroad.com and www.vancopbs.com for new prices & availability. I think they did a redesign with new knuckles.

I was lucky enough to find mine on craigslist for $650.

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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
Speaking of which, how is the upgrade?
Amazing. I got the Black Magic pads broken in and it's definitely got another step up in stopping power from the 46mm calipers/Stop-Tech pads/Centric rotors. As the new pads heat up, they get even better and I can lock up the fronts at the drop of a hat....so I'm still recalibrating my foot to hold right on the edge of that lock-up vs traction threshold. I really appreciate surprising the lowered "tuner" kids that insist on follow too closely to my rear bumper....and just driving around, once again, I'm stopping 20 ft too short for stop lights .
05-14-2013 04:46 PM
SeVeReDiStOrTiOn
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Originally Posted by flflash View Post
I just ran an estimate on what you had done useing Mitchell1 Price Estimator ( what most of the industry is using to calculate estimates, both dealerships and independents ) using a 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sahara and all New OEM parts and at an $95hr labor rate which is standard in my area. Here it is.

Calipers 2 @ $304 each
Rotors 2 @ $258 each
Front Pads set $215

Front brake hoses 2 @ $50 each
Brakefluid/Shop Supplies $15
Labor 2.6hrs @ $95hr $247
Total - $1139
+ Tax ( Florida is 7% ) $79.73
Grand Total - $1218.73

This is what most Dealerships and Independent shops would have charged you for the work you had done using all new OEM Parts and a $95hr labor rate. You got a pretty good deal or some reman/aftermarket parts.
That seems a little high even for OE parts...especially the pads.
05-14-2013 04:22 PM
2footin its fixed and safe to drive be happy
after the fact is not a good time to compare prices and more so if you pay retail at a dealer
put the top down and enjoy the sun life is to short to regret insignificant shit like this
05-14-2013 04:19 PM
pefrey
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedRubicon View Post
water

under

the

bridge

This. If it's already paid for and you feel like you could have done better, lesson learned. Don't worry about it, enjoy your ride.
05-14-2013 04:09 PM
flflash
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Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
FLFLASH: thanks for that analysis, I checked my itemization and my labor was $290 total for the replacement of the rotors/pads/calipers/hoses. Total parts were $380 of which $200 was an OEM "Brake Pkg-Front Brake" which bundles the factory rotors and pads for a discount of about $100 if purchased seperately. Your caliper price shown above is very high, not sure why.
Thats Not what it would have cost you at my shop thats what Mitchell1 Estimator qoutes out too. With my pricing on parts and labor using quality Reman Calipers the Best brake pads, new non OEM rotors and New non OEM Brake hoses and the 10% discount on parts and labor I give All Jeepers you would have been out the door for just under $600. Add about $150 to that if you wanted Black Majic Pads and rotors.
05-14-2013 04:00 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
Personally, I think you got raped. I would never put that much money into stock front brakes...ever.

I paid less than that for the 15" Vanco brake kit, which addresses design flaws in the stock setup, strengthens the knuckles and includes new pads and rotors....resulting in stops that are windshield kissing good, even with big tires.

Speaking of which, how is the upgrade?
05-14-2013 03:46 PM
MarkGLHS how much were the parts for the Vanco kit and what does it include?
05-14-2013 02:16 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
They replaced both front rotors and calipers w/ OEM Mopar parts, replaced the soft brake lines in front also, new pads, then bleed the entire system.

Total cost, parts, labor, tax: $719.00
Personally, I think you got raped. I would never put that much money into stock front brakes...ever.

I paid less than that for the 15" Vanco brake kit, which addresses design flaws in the stock setup, strengthens the knuckles and includes new pads and rotors....resulting in stops that are windshield kissing good, even with big tires.
05-14-2013 02:15 PM
MarkGLHS
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Originally Posted by Lowrollin12 View Post
For going to a dealership you didn't do that bad. Yes you could have done it yourself for 400-500 bucks but if you aren't comfortable working on your Jeep especially brakes than you did ok.

Next time look into it on the forum, it may be worth buying some tools and learning yourself. Then you will have them for the next job. I started doing this when I was 15 and now have a great garage and automotive knowledge. I have saved myself thousands of dollars on labor on my jeeps and other vehicles.

as someone else said WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE


good advise. i've got a lot of experience working on my own cars. including restoring several musclecars (mostly Plymouth Road Runners) as well as a near total rebuild of a 1986 Shelby GLHS a few years back. I always do my own work on my Grand Cherokees too. but this particular type of brake work I never liked doing, and, i was in a hurry to get it done. Right it is water under the bridge for me but I hope maybe this thread helps others make a decision as to what to do with their next brake job. When my '08 GC needs front brakes? I think I'll be taking it to this same dealer.
05-14-2013 02:12 PM
00tj2 Originally Posted by SinfulDragon
1 - Go to autozone.com for prices of said parts
2 - Add the cost of a bottle of whiskey and coke to the above total.
3 - Labor, you get none, you get whiskey and coke
4 - realize they just slammed your ass like a screen door in a hurricane.
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Originally Posted by sinbob View Post
x2


Yes do this because we all want the most important thing on our jeep to be installed while slamming back jack and cokes I love drinking too but it has its place and its place isn't while doing a brake job.

To the OP, could you of paid less of course. Did you get a quality job for a pretty fair price, yes. Sometimes a few bucks more is worth the piece of mind.
05-14-2013 02:01 PM
sinbob
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Originally Posted by SinfulDragon View Post
1 - Go to autozone.com for prices of said parts
2 - Add the cost of a bottle of whiskey and coke to the above total.
3 - Labor, you get none, you get whiskey and coke
4 - realize they just slammed your ass like a screen door in a hurricane.
x2
05-14-2013 01:59 PM
Lowrollin12 For going to a dealership you didn't do that bad. Yes you could have done it yourself for 400-500 bucks but if you aren't comfortable working on your Jeep especially brakes than you did ok.

Next time look into it on the forum, it may be worth buying some tools and learning yourself. Then you will have them for the next job. I started doing this when I was 15 and now have a great garage and automotive knowledge. I have saved myself thousands of dollars on labor on my jeeps and other vehicles.

as someone else said WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE
05-14-2013 12:51 PM
MarkGLHS "...I would make sure they replaced the 2 brake lines and not painting your old calipers .."


we think alike! yes of course when i got back home I removed one wheel and inspected everything they did and checked the other side too.

FLFLASH: thanks for that analysis, I checked my itemization and my labor was $290 total for the replacement of the rotors/pads/calipers/hoses. Total parts were $380 of which $200 was an OEM "Brake Pkg-Front Brake" which bundles the factory rotors and pads for a discount of about $100 if purchased seperately. Your caliper price shown above is very high, not sure why.

FREE78: I know it is cheaper to do the work myself but in this case I did not have the time or expertise. So my original question of "was I over-charged" was not meant to compare the cost of a do-it-yourself job to a dealership job, rather it was to see how well my dealer did when compared to other shops that do this work. Seems on that issue the overall view, so far, is they did pretty well cost-wise.
05-14-2013 12:05 PM
Atthehop
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Originally Posted by free78 View Post
Check the forum next time and/or ask for some help in what ever the problem is. Maybe you did maybe you didn't pay to much. If you don't have one, pick up a Chiltons/Haynes manual for your jeep. Doing the work yourself will save a lot of money. This forum is filled with a lot of people willing to help out. Who knows you may have someone in your area willing to come by and help you and teach you how to do something to your rig you didn't know how. Good luck buddy.
Happy Jeeping
Not everyone that owns a jeep can do their own work or have the tools to do it.
05-14-2013 10:14 AM
dale 3 I would make sure they replaced the 2 brake lines and not painting your old calipers
05-14-2013 09:37 AM
Huelsmma Hard to imagine a jeep brake job cost as much as foreign luxury vehicle brake job. Good to know when my brakes start to wear where I will not be heading and that I wont be buying OEM parts.
05-14-2013 09:18 AM
flflash I just ran an estimate on what you had done useing Mitchell1 Price Estimator ( what most of the industry is using to calculate estimates, both dealerships and independents ) using a 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sahara and all New OEM parts and at an $95hr labor rate which is standard in my area. Here it is.

Calipers 2 @ $304 each
Rotors 2 @ $258 each
Front Pads set $215
Front brake hoses 2 @ $50 each
Brakefluid/Shop Supplies $15
Labor 2.6hrs @ $95hr $247
Total - $1139
+ Tax ( Florida is 7% ) $79.73
Grand Total - $1218.73

This is what most Dealerships and Independent shops would have charged you for the work you had done using all new OEM Parts and a $95hr labor rate. You got a pretty good deal or some reman/aftermarket parts.
05-14-2013 07:37 AM
free78 Check the forum next time and/or ask for some help in what ever the problem is. Maybe you did maybe you didn't pay to much. If you don't have one, pick up a Chiltons/Haynes manual for your jeep. Doing the work yourself will save a lot of money. This forum is filled with a lot of people willing to help out. Who knows you may have someone in your area willing to come by and help you and teach you how to do something to your rig you didn't know how. Good luck buddy.
Happy Jeeping
05-14-2013 04:00 AM
MarkGLHS thanks again for the feedback, interesting how diverse the opinions of the pricing are.

when i said "best stock setup" i was only refering to the fact i had a trained jeep technician using factory parts, no monkey business or short-cuts, and no questionable knock-off materials. i'm sure there are better brake set-ups, but those would not be stock/factory.

i never said 100% of what RockAuto sells is junk, just some of it, well quite a bit of it from the numerous alternators, water pumps, and other mechnicals i have purchased from them over the years that failed very early, or didnt work at all. i would agree that some of the stuff they sell is fine, all of it is priced cheap.

good discussion folks.
05-14-2013 03:58 AM
SweetTeaDrinkerTJ98
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Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
RockAuto? my experience is they sell JUNK.
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
Trust me, that stuff does exist. You can get a set of front pads from Rock Auto for 10.44 and a pair of rotors for 35 bucks which brings your total to about 45 bucks.

I wouldn't bolt them up to my worst enemy's vehicle, but they do exist.

When you cruise around some of the boards and you see the folks offering the rear disc brake conversions for the bigger rear axles like the 14 bolt and Dana 60 and 70 for 299.00 shipped, that's how they do it.
If I knew about that stuff I would've gotten it seeing as I'm 18 and on the college kid budget. I do kinda like having brakes that I know aren't cheap though.
05-13-2013 10:41 PM
SeVeReDiStOrTiOn Putting off any maintenance makes you pay in the end one way or another. I wouldn't say you got hosed but, like the others said, you could've done better for less. Lets face it, brakes/lubes are the bread and butter for shops. That's their honey pot that everyone needs...you don't always need a repair done on your vehicle. Hopefully you learned a lesson about preventive maintenance.
05-13-2013 10:09 PM
PiePuncher OUCH!!!!!!!!! Sounds like you got raped! Time to learn to do the simple jobs on your own. Invest in a Chilton's
05-13-2013 06:41 PM
Jasontee1 At least it is genuine parts and you have a receipt to add to the collection looks good if you resell to show all the work that's done
05-13-2013 06:38 PM
wmdavis007
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Originally Posted by geiman View Post
Unfortunately your experience is wrong. I'm quite sure some of the cheapest stuff they do sell is junk (as can be said about any place), but certainly not everything. I've been referred there by Blaine (he goes by Black Magic Brakes on here) when looking for certain parts.

You saying everything RockAuto sells is junk is like saying I was burned once on a purchase from Amazon so everything they sell must be junk. You'll have bad experiences everywhere, but typically that's the exception and not the standard.



Many who have the experience would say the best setup on stock brakes is with the Black Magic pads Blaine sells. If you're still on stock sized tires now it certainly isn't a necessity at the moment, but if you ever upgrade they're certainly worth a look.
I agree. I have bought tons of parts from RockAuto.com (NEVER get the economy stuff they sell ) and the parts have always been "up to snuff". As for brakes, I will be upgrading my front brakes with Black Magic pads and rotors soon as my funds allow. I do think you got taken for the labor, but at least you got good parts and they are properly installed.
05-13-2013 06:20 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by flflash View Post

That said I'm sure someone will pipe up and say how they can buy a pair of calipers for $60 hose's for $20 rotors for ten bucks each and do the whole job in their driveway in a half hour......from what I've seen thats pretty much how some on this forum think
We both know that a pad and rotor swap is not quite the same as a front axle brake job where all the parts are cleaned, wire brushed, bolt holes are cleaned and inspected, divots are repaired on the knuckles, the proper brake lube is used, rotors are properly cleaned, brake dust and debris is removed from the caliper pistons, and the system is bled correctly after being flushed.

After the tires are off, I can do a pad and rotor swap in about 5 minutes per side, a brake job takes me about an hour per side not including the flush.
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