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05-17-2013 01:03 PM
mikelwp If you are really interested negotiate to have them swap out the hardtop for a soft-top and run it through the wash again.
05-17-2013 11:54 AM
1dangerousdave In the end, thats what I thought too.. but the lipstick WAS a great color!
05-17-2013 06:06 AM
dieselgiant Wait let me understand this. Chrysler could not fix it for the original customer and bought it back from them. Now they "claim" its magically fixed and want to give you a "deal" for 4K under? Do you think that maybe if they really fixed it they would have done it the first time without the hassle of buying a vehicle back from the first customer? You are going to regret buying a vehicle that was so screwed up that they had to do a buyback. Save your money and all the longterm headaches that your gonna have and not to mention all the threads your gonna start about "leaking" or "electrical" issues down the road.

Dont be short sighted, a bad deal with new lipstick is still a bad deal.
05-16-2013 09:19 AM
BacaraJKU Looks like you walked away already. I bought two vehicles like this. FYI, just because title is clear, don't be fooled as it is a lemon.

Back in 2006 I bought an Infiniti QX56 for $33k with hardly any miles and an FX35 for $26k, 2004's. QX was bought back for initial brake issues Nissan/Infiniti had on 04 QX/Armadas. Problem was fix with new rotor/caliper setup. FX was bought back for stalling issue. Supposedly fixed, but it wasn't. Turned out ecu was bad and never had a problem again after they replaced it.

I paid 50% of retail on QX and 60% or retail on FX (based on brand new cost). I broke even a year later when I traded them. Now I wouldn't expect any dealer to take them as a trade, but my buddy helped me get them from riverside auction and he helped trade them in.

Only benefit to non-branded title is you can get full coverage insurance on them, but to any other consumer/dealer, it's a lemon.
05-16-2013 01:09 AM
NFRs2000NYC Provided there was no other damage (including mildewed carpets), I'd want 10K off.
05-16-2013 01:06 AM
2five22 If you buy it, you can mod the heck out of it with few regrets.
05-16-2013 12:56 AM
1dangerousdave Update:
So I drive 4 hours to look at this vehicle after asking the salesman if he can personally attest to the fact that it no longer leaks. I arrive and the jeep is parked in the service reception bay nice and clean. I give it a quick look over and discover that the passenger side top panel HAS A HOLE IN IT. Apparently someone dropped the panel on something or dropped something on the panel. I immediately request a 500.00 price drop which they agree to. I drive it and all is good until I take it through the car wash that is conveniently located next door to the dealership...it still leaks, but not too bad.
After the typical negotiation B.S. ( very long story) , I walked away from the deal. Mainly because the sales manager was intent on screwing me on my trade and bad overall feeling about this dealership in Plymouth, Wi.
I appreciate everyone's advise here and now the hunt continues!
05-12-2013 03:07 PM
E-man Keep in mind that I'm pretty sure that Carfax will always show the vehicle as a buy-back, so that's going to remain with the VIN forever.

Like the other poster recommended, I'd stay far, far away from a buy-back, regardless of the price. Remember, it wasn't bought back for something minor that could have been repaired.....
05-12-2013 02:59 PM
firehawk
My vote is buy it.


Hi, I just would buy it for the best price, keep it a few years and trade for another in a few years. If you are unsure just pay the additional 4k and order one the way you want..
05-10-2013 09:07 PM
sprtplt11 Given the likelihood of problems with any given Wrangler, no, certainly one should not touch a buy-back vehicle.
05-10-2013 08:22 PM
Saranrap
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Originally Posted by asianhulk View Post
the factory will buy back a vehicle just for a water leak? thats sounds odd to me...
yup, my buddys dad had his bought back for 1k under what he paid. he basically drove the wrangler for 2 years for 1,000 bucks. Talk about luck
05-10-2013 07:05 PM
legitposter
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Originally Posted by 1dangerousdave View Post
Thanks for the advise everyone! I'm going to look at it tomorrow and do battle with sales manager. I do plan on keeping it until the next gen. wrangler drops. Maybe I'll just re-gift it to the dealer I buy it from in 3 years.
I don't think you'll get too much wiggle room because the majority of people will not look at the carfax for it. He'll just wait for the next buyer.

Still, I think a nice inspection by yourself is all you need to do. If it really is just because of leaks then they probably fixed it by replacing seals or freedom panels, etc. It's easy to climb under a wrangler and visually inspect everything for damage, fluid leaks, etc, to make sure there isn't another problem looming.

But it all goes back to what I pretty much said in my first response: It's just a vehicle. Buy it and have fun. A thousand things - some very very bad like death and some very very good like winning the lottery - can happen between now and the time you'd trade it in. Forget about that day and just go get your wrangler.

I expect pics before Monday - NO EXCEPTIONS.
05-10-2013 03:32 PM
1dangerousdave Thanks for the advise everyone! I'm going to look at it tomorrow and do battle with sales manager. I do plan on keeping it until the next gen. wrangler drops. Maybe I'll just re-gift it to the dealer I buy it from in 3 years.
05-10-2013 12:02 PM
TrueBlueJK
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Originally Posted by Jeeps_and_Boats View Post
I don't think this is a good idea. $4k isn't enough for the (how many times?) leak history to get Chrysler to take it back. I'd speculate that it's probably been soaked 25 times!
Either that or it had bigger issues that are not being disclosed.
05-10-2013 11:57 AM
Jeeps_and_Boats I don't think this is a good idea. $4k isn't enough for the (how many times?) leak history to get Chrysler to take it back. I'd speculate that it's probably been soaked 25 times!
05-10-2013 11:49 AM
TrueBlueJK $4k below sticker for a lemon is still too expensive, good luck trying to sell it down the line.
05-10-2013 11:43 AM
xcoaste If you are going to keep long term and not worry about selling it down the road, might be worth it. If you are someone who doesn't keep a vehicle for a long time, I would shy away. The fact that it has a negative on the car fax is going to make it harder for you to unload.
05-10-2013 09:40 AM
legitposter Buy it. Grease the seals lightly every six months. Enjoy.

Done.
05-10-2013 08:35 AM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by asianhulk View Post
the factory will buy back a vehicle just for a water leak? thats sounds odd to me...
Yeah. Jk'n had one bought back from him due to leaks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerdad View Post
Tell them to put a new hard top on!

That you want a warranty on the potential "electrical" issues.

And if you like the Jeep and the price works for you go for it.

But if there are problems with leaks after you buy it I doubt the factory will re re buy it back?
The electrical warranty is a good idea. But no they won't buy back used vehicles. Lemon law only applies to the first year of ownership and this has passed.

As far as leaks. Mine leaks every once in a while only when it's sitting. If you pull the carpets and run it carpet less then you have nothing to worry about. This is what I do and I actually like it better without carpets. I put them back in only for the dead of winter.

As far as a new hard top, jeep won't put one on. There is rarely a problem with the hard top. It's usually the seals and those are dirt cheap compared to a hard top so there would have to be something very wrong with the jeep for Chrysler to authorize a new $2k top
05-10-2013 07:28 AM
BigMike47172 I'm surprised they bought it back over a top leak. I would really check it carefully. There could be a larger issue with the body frame being out of spec such that the top won't seat properly ever.
05-10-2013 07:21 AM
Boxerdad Tell them to put a new hard top on!

That you want a warranty on the potential "electrical" issues.

And if you like the Jeep and the price works for you go for it.

But if there are problems with leaks after you buy it I doubt the factory will re re buy it back?
05-10-2013 07:12 AM
Lusus_Naturae I'd test it out at the carwash and also take the tops off to see if they have been sealed by caulk or glue instead of fixed.

I also would check the head date on it. You may run into the ticking and eventual head replacement. I'd make sure you have a full warranty.
05-10-2013 06:55 AM
en480c4 I think it's pretty common. I bought parts on Craigslist from my Unlimited from someone who had just had his bought back. I'd be concerned because unlike previous Jeeps, JK's aren't as resiliant when exposed to water. The guy I met had water getting between the front Freedom Tops and down behind the dash, which caused a ton of electrical issues.
05-10-2013 01:40 AM
asianhulk the factory will buy back a vehicle just for a water leak? thats sounds odd to me...
05-10-2013 01:40 AM
Y-Guy I think your right to be cautious. Seems odd they wouldn't have just put on a whole new hard top to solve the problem before a buy back was initiated. Good that you spoke with the previous owner though. I'm not sure if the dealer can update the Carfax items showing the problem resolved, if not it could impact your future resale. I guess if I were looking at a used Jeep with it after you'd had it a couple years I'd be a bit uneasy, now if you had it 5 years I'd probably ignore it. I bought my Jeep used, clear CarFax but when I found the previous name I did text him still to make sure there were no unlisted problems. I guess my thought it that for $4,000 its a fair deal, I'd be pushing for more IMHO.
05-10-2013 01:04 AM
1dangerousdave
Opinion on buying a "factory re-acquired" wrangler

Hey everyone,
I'm new to this forum but have owned several wrangler products over the years.
My question is this..I am going to try to do a deal on a 2012 Unlimited Sahara with 4700 miles this week. The vehicle was a buyback due to freedom top leak that has supposedly been completely fixed (believe it when I see it). Anyways, the title is not branded as a lemon or buyback, but the car fax shows the buyback history due to water leak. I can buy this vehicle about 4k below the going rate for similarly optioned units. Would anyone care to throw their opinion in the ring as to what harm this car fax tag will do to retail in 2-3 years?
The vehicle will have the remaining balance of the factory warranty intact in addition to a 1year/ unlimited mileage factory warranty supplement.
I spoke to the original owner and selling/servicing dealer to confirm that the water leak was the only issue with it.
Thanks!

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