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07-10-2013 03:39 PM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by rgnbull1227 View Post
I called 3 Line-X places as There was an All done up Sahara I was considering and would have wanted to get it painted the same as the Starwood. Once I added everything, they Sahara was $60k. That dealer actually went ahead and painted that Jeep in the Nart Blue and is currently for sale at $60k. As for prep on the Starwood, its quite extensive. Starwood created their own Kevlar product(per Starwood)

Now, getting back on topic. If I had not had this paint done, I use all Pinnacle products on All my exotics and cars. Been using for Pinnacle since mid 90's. Awesome products.
I've seen your Starwood painting pics in your '"pulled the trigger " thread. Starwood benefits from economies of scale from doing several Jeeps at once, but I'd find their proprietary Kevlar paint mix suspect. It wouldn't behoove an independent car dealer to attempt to compete with a company like DuPont when that product is readily available off the shelf, but I've known salesmen to say whatever it takes to get a sale.

However seeing the way you run your Jeep, you're probably testing whatever product they're using to its limits and we're looking forward to seeing how well it will hold up being used as intended.

To keep this back on topic, Mequires rules! However just wax often enough and anything is better than nothing.
07-10-2013 01:53 PM
rgnbull1227 I called 3 Line-X places as There was an All done up Sahara I was considering and would have wanted to get it painted the same as the Starwood. Once I added everything, they Sahara was $60k. That dealer actually went ahead and painted that Jeep in the Nart Blue and is currently for sale at $60k. As for prep on the Starwood, its quite extensive. Starwood created their own Kevlar product(per Starwood)






Now, getting back on topic. If I had not had this paint done, I use all Pinnacle products on All my exotics and cars. Been using for Pinnacle since mid 90's. Awesome products.

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Lol, no need to get so defensive. Nobody said you paid too much or didn't like it. You bought that thing from Starwood already done and I think you got an overall good deal regardless of how much they told you the Kevlar cost. I'm not sure why you bothered calling 3 LineX shops to get a quote on a Jeep that was already covered in bedliner, but for someone who already has a normal Jeep wanting to get their Jeep LineXed, $9000 and 2 weeks is a little high. You were the one plugging the product, I was just doing the research.

A do it yourself bedliner kit is less than $100. The expense in painting comes from extensive prep and color sanding, none of which is needed on a bedliner. No gloss or bubbles to worry about. Just tape, do a once over sanding, then spray. Should be done in less than a day. Clearcoat shouldn't be necessary since UV protection is already included in the bedliner and we're not going for gloss, but if we added that too, it should be much cheaper than any other vehicle. It's not like we're color sanding.

That being said I like the look and still think you got a good deal regardless of what you were individually quoted for the bedliner or how complicated Starwood claims their process is.
07-10-2013 09:56 AM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by rgnbull1227 View Post
Called 3 places. All say the same thing. 2 weeks. Lots of prep, then coating then curing, then 2 coats of clear. Ive posted pics previously. Heres an idea, dont like the Kevlar paint, dont get it. You thinks its so cheap to do and I paid too much? So be it. Its my money and im very happy paying what I did. Same as doing a truck bed? Do some research and look at the pics I previously posted.
Lol, no need to get so defensive. Nobody said you paid too much or didn't like it. You bought that thing from Starwood already done and I think you got an overall good deal regardless of how much they told you the Kevlar cost. I'm not sure why you bothered calling 3 LineX shops to get a quote on a Jeep that was already covered in bedliner, but for someone who already has a normal Jeep wanting to get their Jeep LineXed, $9000 and 2 weeks is a little high. You were the one plugging the product, I was just doing the research.

A do it yourself bedliner kit is less than $100. The expense in painting comes from extensive prep and color sanding, none of which is needed on a bedliner. No gloss or bubbles to worry about. Just tape, do a once over sanding, then spray. Should be done in less than a day. Clearcoat shouldn't be necessary since UV protection is already included in the bedliner and we're not going for gloss, but if we added that too, it should be much cheaper than any other vehicle. It's not like we're color sanding.

That being said I like the look and still think you got a good deal regardless of what you were individually quoted for the bedliner or how complicated Starwood claims their process is.
07-10-2013 09:21 AM
rgnbull1227 Yeah I dont get it. Seems to happen all the time.

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Ugh. Unsubscribing from this trainwreck. Thanks for Fubaring an otherwise informative thread.
07-10-2013 08:43 AM
scipio337 Ugh. Unsubscribing from this trainwreck. Thanks for Fubaring an otherwise informative thread.
07-10-2013 07:57 AM
rgnbull1227 Called 3 places. All say the same thing. 2 weeks. Lots of prep, then coating then curing, then 2 coats of clear. Ive posted pics previously. Heres an idea, dont like the Kevlar paint, dont get it. You thinks its so cheap to do and I paid too much? So be it. Its my money and im very happy paying what I did. Same as doing a truck bed? Do some research and look at the pics I previously posted.

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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
I'd shop around. A 747 can get painted in 2 weeks. Considering the doors and roof are removable it shouldn't be much more than doing a truck bed. Probably get a huge discount if you keep the LineX the same color as the Jeep so you don't need to do door jams, etc.
07-10-2013 07:53 AM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by rgnbull1227 View Post
In trying to compare Apples and oranges, I called the local Linex company to get a quote to do a Jeep. 2 weeks and $9,000. Didnt mean to take the thread off topic.
I'd shop around. A 747 can get painted in 2 weeks. Considering the doors and roof are removable it shouldn't be much more than doing a truck bed. Probably get a huge discount if you keep the LineX the same color as the Jeep so you don't need to do door jams, etc.
07-09-2013 10:12 PM
rgnbull1227 In trying to compare Apples and oranges, I called the local Linex company to get a quote to do a Jeep. 2 weeks and $9,000. Didnt mean to take the thread off topic.

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Originally Posted by Fellows View Post
Ah, never mind. I just looked up Kevlar bedliner and it seems common and rather inexpensive. Probably cheaper than actual paint since you don't have to worry about perfect gloss or anything.
07-09-2013 04:46 PM
Austin_FL Paste > Carnuba wax. And Wipe New for fenders and interior. Stuff is magic. 303 for maintaining it
07-09-2013 04:37 PM
Fellows Ah, never mind. I just looked up Kevlar bedliner and it seems common and rather inexpensive. Probably cheaper than actual paint since you don't have to worry about perfect gloss or anything.
07-09-2013 02:50 PM
Fellows Rgnbull, I love the paint, and I kinda like Starwoods, but are you sure it's Kevlar? I've searched the bowels of the Internet and the only Kevlar paint I can find is on Starwood's website. Nobody else seems to offer it. Considering their low end Jeeps, the Kevlar seems to be of negligible cost when compared to their mods plus profit margin, is it possible that its just bedliner or plastidip? Kevlar seems kinda overkill just for scratch resistance. Starwood's website seems to dwell on its tensile strength, but Rockwell hardness would be more applicable to describe scratch resistance.
07-09-2013 01:04 PM
zerinS4 I've discovered that Swiffer dusters are AWESOME at removing all the trail dust from the nooks and crannies on the interior surfaces.
07-09-2013 12:43 PM
StarBrite
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Originally Posted by rgnbull1227 View Post




Just had to say again how much I love that paint, Rgn! It's amazing how many different colors it looks depending on the light.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...
07-09-2013 11:24 AM
rgnbull1227 I take a hose, soap and a stiff bristle brush. No swirls! I gotta tell ya, this is our first Jeep and I couldn't imagine owning one without Kevlar paint. After taking the jeep with 180 miles on it through trees, branches, brush, etc, not a single mark on this. If it was paint it would be a total disaster.


07-08-2013 11:14 AM
Driveawrangler13 Anyone have good advice on cleaning the bird poop off the seats due to parking under a
Tree.
06-09-2013 03:46 PM
Fellows
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Originally Posted by zerinS4 View Post
As an OCD car owner for the last several years, I've got just about every detailing spray, brush, cloth, etc you can purchase. I'll probably be laughed at to the extent I detail my vehicles, especially one meant to get dirty, but so be it. To answer your question as to what is the best, well it all comes down to preference at some point.

For the washing phase, I use a power washer and a foam gun with Meguire's Gold Class car wash to first thoroughly soak the vehicle top to bottom. I let it sit for a couple of minutes to work its way through loosening up the surface dirt. The more dirt you can get off without having to use a sponge/mitt, the less chance you have of generating swirl marks. This is especially important if you have mud and dust on your vehicle! I then rinse the vehicle with a lower pressure nozzle. After the loose dirt has been removed, I hit it with a wash bucket with the same soap and use a mitt to get the more stubborn dirt off.


Untitled by zerind, on Flickr

I've been using Menzerna products happily for the last 8 years and LOVE the products they offer. Other people like Zaino while others yet like any number of items. Understand that some of these products are meant to be applied by machine like a Porter-Cable type buffer, while others are fine being applied by hand.

Because I apply with a machine, I tape off any surfaces I don't want wax getting onto with the machine. Door handles, fender lines, hardtop, etc. I go back and hit some of the tougher areas by hand to apply. On a new vehicle prep, I usually just hit it the paint with a nice glazing product/pad, then apply two layers of sealant. I used Menzerna Finishing Glaze with a glazing pad on my buffer, followed by Menzerna FMJ to seal it with a non-cutting sealant pad. FMJ isn't available anymore but you can buy what they call Power Lock which is the same type product. Removal is always done by hand with microfiber towels. Read the directions for your specific product.


Untitled by zerind, on Flickr


Untitled by zerind, on Flickr

For leather, I use Lexol cleaners and conditioners. They've been good enough for my Audi Napa leathers over the years so I trust them to do the same on the Jeep leather. I use a combination of Vinylex and 303 Aerospace on the plastic surfaces inside and out. Both are great products, but I like using them for different applications. Vinylex for rubber and 303 for plastic. Personal preference but you can interchange if you'd like.

For the lights, I use Plexus to add a bit of clarity to the taillamps and headlamps. Great product.

For towels, microfiber is your friend. I have a couple of waffle weave towels for drying the car, and microfiber towels for the detail work. You can pick up large packs at Costco for relatively cheap. The softer, the better.

You should check out the Autopia Car Care forums, as well as for your purchasing needs. They offer all kinds of kits that take the guesswork out of what to buy. - Autopia Car Care Products - Car Detailing Supplies, Car Wax, Car Polishers, Auto Detailing

Hope this helps!
Great post! I always thought I was picky about car cleaning, but I got nothing on this.
One thing though on the leather cleaner..on about everything I've learned about leather, it sounds like 98% of all automotive leather is covered in plastic to protect it from the abusive environment of an automotive interior. If that's the case, won't cleaners and conditioners just sit on the plastic and not penetrate into the leather? Everybody I've asked about this don't have a good answer. I'm afraid I may have just been a victim of good marketing for decades.

I used to use a lot of expensive interior cleaners, now I'm down to using a damp microfiber cloth to clean everything inside the Jeep. Seems to work just as well. I hate shiny interiors.
06-09-2013 03:19 PM
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Meguiars Tech Wax 2.0 is the best car wax IMHO. I've used it for the last 5 years on all my cars including my old 350Z. It's easy to apply and easy to wipe off. When it gets bird poop droppings it all just wipes right off with a bit of water. Rain just beads right off. Great stuff.
06-09-2013 02:48 PM
NiksJK
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Originally Posted by MCDavis View Post
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (surprisingly): what's best for soft top windows?
After reading this thread, watching those washing videos and spending an absurd amount of time looking at cleaning stuff to buy, I found chemical guys. They have a window spray that is safe to use on convertible windows. I forget what its called now but its pink. It has no alcohol or ammonia in it.
06-09-2013 02:07 PM
JackedUpMedic
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Originally Posted by NoCal12 View Post

After reading this thread yesterday I went out and bought some 303 and applied it to my '12 Sport soft top. WOW! What a difference! It has a very deep black sheen to it now.

This forum is great...especially for a new jeep owner.
303 is fantastic. I use it on my kayaks and other outdoor goodies.
06-09-2013 01:28 PM
NoCal12
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Originally Posted by shelbydog View Post
Aerospace 303 is legit.
After reading this thread yesterday I went out and bought some 303 and applied it to my '12 Sport soft top. WOW! What a difference! It has a very deep black sheen to it now.

This forum is great...especially for a new jeep owner.
06-04-2013 10:07 AM
Andy 1965 Dawn (sorry but it is, after all, a Jeep) soft bristled brush on painted surfaces and stiffer brush on plastic/tires. Bottle brush for wheels and other tight spots. I plan to wax every 3-4 months.
06-04-2013 09:12 AM
Redpath
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
The pressure washer i used to have came with a foam gun.

I previously told people to get a commercial unit. These have more options, more power, and are more reliable. However, pretty much anything would work. Look for one that comes with a foam gun if you want one. On mine all it was was a regular wand with a siphon hose that uou dipped in your soap. It uses a lot of soap.

im not sure most of us would benefit from having a power washer. Itd take you a lot of quarters at the diy car wash bays to pay for the power washer and maintenance.
I'm not so sure about that, i spent around $15 in quarters washing the mud off my Jeep yesterday, and I didn't even get it all!
06-01-2013 10:38 AM
zerinS4 I was wondering if that was you Go figure, another friend from QW/AW found me on here yesterday too. Looks like a lot of us German car guys are ending up in Wranglers!

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Originally Posted by Scott in Houston View Post
Zerin and I are both German car owners with our Jeeps... Nice post buddy.

I have to admit, as much as I love my Jeep, I don't sweat keeping it nearly as 'perfect' as my other cars, but Zerin's post is amazingly good. I use those same techniques on other cars.
With my Jeep, it's relatively low maintenance. One thing I have noticed, domestic paint is more durable and more resistant to micro scratches than our Euro counterparts, and our Japanese friends, so I don't have to worry as much about paint etching or micro scratches on my True Blue Jeep as I do on other cars I have/had.
05-31-2013 11:57 PM
wcbardwell
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Originally Posted by pepe.kush View Post
Does anyone have any suggestions for Tan hard top and how to bring back the original shine its way faded and nothing i seem to use works at all???? help a newb
Klasse All-In-One comes highly recommended... Never used it myself though...
05-31-2013 11:37 PM
Scott in Houston Zerin and I are both German car owners with our Jeeps... Nice post buddy.

I have to admit, as much as I love my Jeep, I don't sweat keeping it nearly as 'perfect' as my other cars, but Zerin's post is amazingly good. I use those same techniques on other cars.
With my Jeep, it's relatively low maintenance. One thing I have noticed, domestic paint is more durable and more resistant to micro scratches than our Euro counterparts, and our Japanese friends, so I don't have to worry as much about paint etching or micro scratches on my True Blue Jeep as I do on other cars I have/had.
05-31-2013 09:02 PM
pepe.kush Does anyone have any suggestions for Tan hard top and how to bring back the original shine its way faded and nothing i seem to use works at all???? help a newb
05-18-2013 11:52 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by MCDavis View Post
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (surprisingly): what's best for soft top windows?
I use a cleaner wax. It really clears them up
05-18-2013 11:01 PM
michiganadam Dont use those wheel cleaners!
05-18-2013 10:59 PM
HRPinDC
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Originally Posted by Pipper99 View Post
I've been looking for a safe wheel cleaner for my 2013 rubicon wheels, but when I read the warnings on the various products, I'm afraid that I'll stain or damage the wheels appearance. Some say "not for clear coated wheels", "not for polished aluminum", etc. For example, Adam's Green Wheel Cleaner says, "NOTE: Not recommended for uncoated polished billet aluminum wheels." My rubicon's window sticker says that it has "polished mineral gray wheels". I haven't found anything in the manual that tells me anything more specific. Any recommendations for a safe cleaner for these wheels is appreciated.
I think the wheels have a clear coat. But regardless, I just use the same soap I use for the rest of the Jeep. Washed it today and it came out great.
05-18-2013 10:52 PM
carolinagirl2heart Wow, I thought I spent a lot of money on hair products...I have never spent so much money on car stuff before..lol lol. You all have been awesome in the photos and examples you have posted. I have Meguire products, I have vinylex, 303 Aeropspace, and I just purchased Adams glass cleaner, glass sealant, and buckets with grit inserts. My husband thinks I have lost it..lol lol. I just told him "Its a Jeep Thing"...
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