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05-20-2013 08:28 PM
felix53 I just bought a 2013 Rubicon 2dr, manual trans and plan on using it as my daily driver. I test drove several models (manual and auto) and decided that the manual was the perfect fit. Plus on the Rubicon it comes stock with 4:10 gearing. After 3 tanks of gas, I'm averaging 17.4 mpg which is worse than my Altima that I traded in but a hell of a lot more fun to drive.

Like you, I'm usually the guy that drives everyone around so I decided on the 2 door to keep that from happening anymore. Either way though JK or JKU you can't go wrong. Even if you are not going to take it off road much, you might still consider the Rubicon. It comes with a lot of items you would end up putting on anyways. Besides, the wheels on the 2013 look pretty cool. My two cents anyways...
05-20-2013 08:07 PM
Rooster76 UNLIMITED vs 2DR
2DR
  • The way I see it a 2dr is a 2 seat vehicle that you can throw a back seat in just for giggles.
  • I wouldn't get one with a kid. Maybe if they were about 2-1/2 to 10 years old I might consider it. Really the way to go with them is to remove the back seat and then you can get groceries. For 2 people they are great, and less expensive. When I got ace rock rails I saw that it was a ton easier for other people to get in the back but still a pain.
  • They turn sharper.
  • They have a better break over angle, so they don't need to be lifted as much as a matter of true off-road function.
  • They look so much better with a soft-top. The 4drs don't look bad if they have half doors, but that never happens. Also if they are doorless they look somewhat cool. 4DR's soft tops are such a pain to take off that you almost always see people just useing the sun-rider. I personally like to keep the top up with only the windows out anyways, so that wouldn't totally bother me.
  • Add on stuff is a bit cheaper 2dr over all. Rock rails, soft-top, skid plates.
4DR
  • Maybe I have been on the forums too long (Ok I for sure have), but I think any unlimited that is not lifted with 35" tires just doesn't look cool. Now after 35" and a lift I think they are amazing looking . All that starts to cost a bunch to pull off well. I would guess 3k at very least. For me it would be a must do thing. That put the unlimited's way out of my price range.
  • If you have a kid let alone more than one it is the best choice.
  • If you want to tow something it is the better choice. 3500lbs vs a 2drs 2000lbs toe rating.
  • If you like to camp they would be so much more awesome. You can just sleep in the back. I used to do that with my 4-runner and an old feather bed cover and it was heaven.
  • You will find almost all of the hard-core 1%er off-roaders choosing 4drs. I don't know if that's really a reason to get one. More of an observation.
  • 60% of Jeeps sold are unlimited s so they would have a higher demand for resale.
05-20-2013 07:50 PM
nobndry I have a 2010 jk manual with 3:73s and I think it has plenty of power. I wouldn't suggest the auto because it isn't good with the 3.8. If you are carting people around, I would suggest the 4 door. It sucks putting people in the back of the 2 door. I'm very happy with my jeep, and would definitely get the manual hands down.
05-20-2013 06:35 PM
Liam Wow thanks everyone, this has been a huge help so far. And please continue, I'm learning a lot here.

I'm sure I'll have more questions later on as I get closer to picking my Jeep. Thanks again.
05-20-2013 06:11 PM
donmeca2020
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Originally Posted by joepa150 View Post
Just out of curiousity, why get a 2014 over 2013? Any major changes or cool new colors?
I read a few threads on here which you can search for, but they will be no major changes but there will be a few new colors coming out. of course its not confirmed but supposedly a pearl grey, copper, orange, bright blue, and purple are just to name a few. for myself i'll be deciding among those 5 colors. thats why i've decided to wait a few months. the 2013 colors aren't bad but none of them are really jumping at me saying thats the color i want !
05-20-2013 05:54 PM
drakenclimber
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post
Hello, I'm looking to buy my first Jeep soon and would like the opinion of some Jeep owner veterans. I have the general idea that I want to buy a used 2010-ish Wrangler, but I'm a little unsure of what model is right for me.
I was in a similar position a few months ago. I went with a new 2013 for a couple reasons:
  1. The price difference in my area between new and used was very little. In fact, I saw similarly-equipped used vehicles selling for more than new vehicles.
  2. I knew what features I wanted (manual, 3.73) and what features I didn't want (nearly everything else).
05-20-2013 02:14 PM
joepa150
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Originally Posted by donmeca2020 View Post
I'm in the market as well, and i think as of recently i'm going to wait for the 2014 models. remember that's only a few months away.

as for the type of trim you should get? if you plan on just driving it and maybe once in a blue moon off roading it, i'd say go with a lower sport model. not only will you have more cash to spend on mods but you won't feel as bad when your taking stuff apart.

If you plan on just keeping semi stock and want more creature comforts get a rubicon.
Just out of curiousity, why get a 2014 over 2013? Any major changes or cool new colors?
05-20-2013 12:18 PM
Eichster Just my two cents but i held out for a 2012 (unlimited sport with auto) and finally found a high milage one for 25K its not a daily driver so the miles didn't bug me but i have no regrets. I drove the 2011 and the 2012 and there was a notible difference you may want to test drive the 3.8 and the 3.6 and let that help you in your decision process.
Either way you can't go wrong with a Jeep.
05-20-2013 12:09 PM
Rooster76
Thanks for clearing that up

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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
Do you mean jump start or bump start? Cuz you can do both with a manual. You can only jump start on an auto. Weighing as much as they do, bump starting it is more difficult than it sounds unless on a hill
Yeah, I was talking about bump starting. There isn't any issue with jump starting, like with cables. I was having a brain fart moment.
05-20-2013 12:05 PM
Rooster76
I'm Back

I cleaned up that previous post and added a few details.

GEARING
BASICS-For off-roading, acceleration, and bigger tires you want lower axle gears. Lower gears have higher numbers. The numbers represent how many times the wheel turns with each rotation of the drive shaft. The pinion gear may be a factor in that also but that's the rough idea. The common stock values are 3:21 (highest), 3:73, and for rubicons 4:10 (3:73 with autos with the option to upgrade). If you have a stick shift it makes life much better to have lower gearing. You won't need to slip the clutch as much, and will in general be much easier to wheel.
MPG - If your going to keep your wheels at around 32", wheel occasionally, and do a significant amount of interstate driving 3:73 is the sweet spot. Here is my rough estimates on how the MPG works out from too much web wheeling.
3.21 = 21 mpg
3.73 = 19 mpg
4.10 = 17 mpg
BIGGER TIRES-If your going with bigger tires your most likely going to need to do a gear swap in the future. In that case maybe 3.73 factory gearing isn't a big deal because you'll be switching it out anyways.

GEARING CHARTS FOR WHEEL SIZE
NEW 2012+ Engine

2007-2011 Engine


TIRES-Tires make a huge difference when wheeling. Certain tires like duratracs are really good in snow and mud. When you upgrade your tires your most likely going to need to upgrade your wheels (rims). Cheap rubicon take-off's can often be found on craigslist.

CHECKING OUT A USED WRANGLER
I cannot give too many tips, but I will say that you should check under the jeep to see how much rock rash it has. There are a good amount of grocery get'ers out there so you can be a bit picky. I'm guessing if it has much chrome it won't have much damage.
SIDE-STEP Wranglers are a bit hard to get in so having a side step is nice. The factory stuff isn't up to offroad. What you want to do is get a set of ace rock rails (cheap, strong, bolt on, lifetime warrenty, made in USA). LINK> Rock Sliders . If you found a wrangler with the side steps I would sell those on craigslist before cracking them open on a rock.

BUYING NEW @ 1% BELOW INVOICE
Wranglers really hold there value well which sort of sucks when buying a used one. You can get 1% below the invoice price almost anywhere with a "Tread Lightly Discount." (Search the name or TL). Dealing directly with internet managers (vs sales guys) over email can help get you there or below. There are also a 1% Costco program. And there is a military discount that I don't think can be added onto the 1% programs.
FIND INVOICE PRICE
BUYING USED
Check out CarGurus . It will give you a good haggle price.

Hopefully I have gain a bit of good jeep karma. Good luck in your search.
05-20-2013 11:12 AM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by Rooster76 View Post

JUMP STARTING?
I'm not sure if you can jump start a manual JK any more. I have read that because of not having a carburetor ( or modern electronics at least) it's not possible?

I'll post some more advice later. Typing on my phone is getting annoying.
Do you mean jump start or bump start? Cuz you can do both with a manual. You can only jump start on an auto. Weighing as much as they do, bump starting it is more difficult than it sounds unless on a hill

Great points.

I'd agree with you, I'd go manual on pre-2012. The clutch isn't a civic clutch but I'm good for around 2 hours of stop and go traffic before I need to rest my leg so even traffic isn't a deal breaker. Plus with a 6 speed its much closer ratio than a 4 speed auto so you can fine tune where you want the RPM's better. Use 4 low off road with a manual. It just makes everything easier and puts less wear on the clutch than normal street driving if you do it right

With that said, both the 4 speed and 5 speed autos are great transmissions. They are reliable and sturdy. The problem with the 4 speed was the gearing in the diffs were usually too high geared(low number) for anything over stock or 33's
05-20-2013 10:54 AM
Rooster76 RUBICON
If you can afford getting a Rubicon they are awesome. Everything can be upgraded to that level, but the transfer case and Dana 44 front axle would really take a good chunk of change later. Sway bars can be manually disconnected. In reality all stock JK's can majorly get it done, even over some crazy stuff with a bit more wheel spin.

JESUS ENGINE
2012+ have the Pentastar/3.6liter. With those years the auto is pretty sweet and went from a 4 speed to a 5 speed. It also added a select gear feature. In the 2007-2011 I would defiantly get a manual personally.

MANUAL CONSIDERATIONS
Manuals are fun as hell to drive. It's like having a dog vs a pet fish. You get to have a real sense of being connected to the jeep in good times, AND BAD. Like eating at a Japanese restraint with chopsticks when they bring out the rice.
1-DEEP WATER = NO CLUTCH :The main issue I have is not being able to clutch in while under water deeper than the bottom of the transmission. You can start in gear in 4-low with no clutch if needed. While stalled you can switch gears. (Autos are sealed up but more proven to overheat. I think autos in 2012 got a better transmission cooler. ) SIDE NOTE: All JK's that wheel should extend the breathers. LINK> http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ext...se-185089.html
2-MAINTANCE: If you read the numerous auto vs manual threads people will tell you manuals cost less in maintance. They are cheaper and easier to repair for sure. They are going to require a new clutch likely if you keep it long enough. When that is really depends on the user. Wheeling in 4-high (needing more clutch play), keeping a foot on the clutch, or slipping the clutch too much will all speed up the process.
3-ISSUES: I created a thread and about 20% of stick users have had issues. LINK>http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...ms-132640.html I talked to a service guy at the dealership and he thought that sounded about right.
4-JUMP STARTING?
I'm not sure if you can jump start a manual JK any more. I have read that because of not having a carburetor ( or modern electronics at least) it's not possible?
5-THE STICK WILL BOUNCE around like crazy on rough terrain. I think it's kind of cool. Some make a "wrangler rattle" on bumpy ground that would not be cool IMO. In general they may be just a bit louder. I don't notice it. I don't notice that my mud tires are loud either.
6-SHIFTING:They shift like a truck not a sports car. The throws are pretty long. Just test drive one first is what I'm getting at.

I'll post some more advice later. Typing on my phone is getting annoying.
05-20-2013 09:40 AM
Rubi4Life
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Originally Posted by COLOUJK View Post
I bought a Wrangler for almost all the reasons that you want one. I take trips with large groups and my Jeep is one of the travel vehicles. I have a 10' Rubi 6 Speed. You will not regret getting the 6 speed with the 3.8, it is honestly the way to go and I do not wish I had the Pentastar at all. I do not lack for power, even climbing 7% grades here in Colorado is no problem.

If you plan on offroading and can afford it I recommend getting a Rubicon. Some people say its overkill for most offroaders but I would rather go out in the wilderness with more tools than I need. It is also a great starting platform. You will have pretty much all the internal upgrades that you would want with the Rubicons.

Good luck in your search.
I have to second this write-up, I just bought my second Jeep. (First was a 03 TJ Rubicon, and this one is an 11 JK Rubicon 2dr. It handles all the daily driving in CO with no issues.

Most important is that since you are not experienced in 4x4ing the Rubicon package is a great entry vehicle you do not have to worry about a lot of crazy aftermarket parts or installation. With a Rubicon JK/U there are only a few upgrades to think about lift, tires/wheels/gears, bumpers, and maybe a winch.

But even out of the box Rubicons are built to be VERY capable off-road vehicles, and in my opinion the best bang for the buck Factory 4x4 you can get.
05-20-2013 09:36 AM
donmeca2020 I'm in the market as well, and i think as of recently i'm going to wait for the 2014 models. remember that's only a few months away.

as for the type of trim you should get? if you plan on just driving it and maybe once in a blue moon off roading it, i'd say go with a lower sport model. not only will you have more cash to spend on mods but you won't feel as bad when your taking stuff apart.

If you plan on just keeping semi stock and want more creature comforts get a rubicon.
05-20-2013 09:21 AM
Stormeister
4-Door?

I agree with the aboves - get a 2012 or newer with a 3.73 rear end, rubi if you can.
I love my manual, especially when I'm towing, but I rented a 2008 Rubicon auto and it was nice to know that slush box was ready to back my play if I got to a place where I needed to "ride the clutch".
The manual has a little more ground clearance, but it doesn't gain you anything in skid plate ground clearance. I mainly got the manual for reliability. If you punch a hole in the casing and all the fluid bleeds out, you might go a very valuable mile in the manual before it implodes, but nowhere in the auto. Also, if your battery or starter gives out in the boonies, you have a chance of push starting the manual.

I got a 4-door for haulling grandchildren. The biggest advantage of the Unlimited is more room, of course, and better stability on whoop-de-doos.
Wait. Have you decided on an Unlimited and you're just debating 2- or 4-door? Go with the 4-door, no brainer.
If you're debating the Unlimited, I wish I'd gotten a stubby. I got the Unlimited largely for it's 4 doors.
05-20-2013 08:18 AM
COLOUJK I bought a Wrangler for almost all the reasons that you want one. I take trips with large groups and my Jeep is one of the travel vehicles. I have a 10' Rubi 6 Speed. You will not regret getting the 6 speed with the 3.8, it is honestly the way to go and I do not wish I had the Pentastar at all. I do not lack for power, even climbing 7% grades here in Colorado is no problem.

If you plan on offroading and can afford it I recommend getting a Rubicon. Some people say its overkill for most offroaders but I would rather go out in the wilderness with more tools than I need. It is also a great starting platform. You will have pretty much all the internal upgrades that you would want with the Rubicons.

Good luck in your search.
05-20-2013 06:53 AM
Rtone1583 I did a small search and it looks like 2010 Unlimiteds with manual transmissions are ranging from $20K - $25K.

I would say that if you can find a good deal on a '12 or possibly a '13 to go with that. Overall you'd get more bang for your buck as well as more favorable financing options.

If not, stick with the manual on the older JK's. It is a better match to the 3.8 and as was mentioned earlier, try to find 3.73 axle ratio.
05-20-2013 06:20 AM
hellhound94 Whatever you do, make sure your new Wrangler does NOT have 3.21 gearing. Make sure you get 3.73.
05-19-2013 01:41 PM
ThermalFZ6 Im a recent new owner (bought in January) - I got a 2007 model 4-door (JKU) manual transmission. No regrets but I would still recommend considering a 2012+ model with the pentastar v6, I'd love to have an extra 80 horses to move the jeep. Just something to consider. Good luck!
05-19-2013 01:21 PM
Liam
New Jeep buyer searching for advice

Hello, I'm looking to buy my first Jeep soon and would like the opinion of some Jeep owner veterans. I have the general idea that I want to buy a used 2010-ish Wrangler, but I'm a little unsure of what model is right for me.

A little about me. I've never gone off-roading before, but it's definitely something I want to do. However, I'm a busy guy, so it probably won't be something I do all the time.


I don't know a lot about cars mechanically speaking but I'm hoping as a Jeep owner I will learn how to do some of my own repairs.


Also, when I hang out or travel with my friends I'm usually the guy taxiing around everyone else so I've been considering the 4-door Unlimited and I'd really like people's honest opinions on the 4-door Unlimited compared to the other JKs.

I really want manual transmission as well.

Any information is greatly appreciated and any opinions will be helpful. Thank you.

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