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05-22-2013 11:14 PM
rundm After buying and using the front bumper from PS, If they said it was as good or better than a stock hitch, I would have no problems believing them. The only problem I have with this bumper is the cost of it. I know it will be made extremely well but I don't have the funds to buy this and then also have it powder coated.
05-22-2013 03:11 PM
flomingo So has anyone tried towing with the Rockbrawler II? I like the idea of the integrated tow hitch I just wanna do a little more research before pulling the trigger on the Rockbrawler II instead of the regular Rockbrawler.
04-08-2013 11:24 AM
DTS Hey guys, I just saw this thread. About the tow rating or lack thereof...

Its not that you CAN'T tow with this thing, or that its not strong enough, etc. In fact its built to be stronger than the stock hitch, and we believe it is, based on the design, materials, how its integrated into the 3/16" plate steel bumper that more effectively distributes the load across the frame, etc. But the issue is simply one of regulatory red tape and liability. We simply can not advertise a "tow rating" for it without having the actual, official, testing and rating done by the independent labs who do that sort of thing. While I'm not that familiar with the entire process personally because that's not my department, I do know its an expensive, time-consuming and rather complicated process that takes most small to medium sized manufacturers like us out of the picture. When you only make a couple dozen of something at a time its harder to spread the costs out versus making something by the hundreds at a time. We're not quite there yet but we hope to be soon. Until then, for those of you who absolutely have to have the government rating sticker on it, well we can't blame you if you have to choose a different product that already has that on it. That's just more incentive for us to try and get it done for our own bumpers as soon as possible.

If you're familiar with our original RockBrawler rear bumper, which is still being produced and is available for those who prefer it, it is built like some have suggested in this thread: no integrated hitch, and designed to allow retention of the stock hitch if desired. The hitch was added to the RockBrawler II mostly due to customer feedback, from those who wanted a hitch higher up and out of the rocks. Unfortunately, because of the way the hitch is integrated into the design, it wouldn't be that simple to just offer a hitch-less version that accommodates the stock hitch. And we already have the original RockBrawler rear bumper that has that (but unfortunately is not available with this style tire carrier). We've found its nearly impossible to build the one product that is perfect for every person LOL...

At any rate, thanks for all your feedback. Feedback is what shaped this bumper, and what will determine its future and any further mods or improvements.
04-06-2013 08:28 AM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Lowerumble View Post

What is the new rear like? Any links or pics?
It looks exactly the same as their current bumper only the total weight of bumper and tire carrier is 70lbs.....that's basically what the OEM stuff weighs.
04-05-2013 10:26 PM
Lowerumble
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.
What is the new rear like? Any links or pics?
04-05-2013 06:51 PM
Cole Trickle
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Originally Posted by HunterTheBeagle View Post
If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.
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Hmm... Interesting I would think they are losing customers by not going thru the steps to have it rated, but sounds like they may be working on it, I hope so anyhow.
Having 2 part numbers or jigs might be a bigger hassel than they want to deal with...They have a big product line and lots of choices.

Look at the quality of the components and the thickness of the metal. There is no doubt in my mind that both PS and ACE make a product that would be capable of handling the factory jk towing ability.

Personally as a business owner I understand that the cost to get something tested and guaranteed by the state of california would easliy out weigh the potential of lost business.......

Basically they would have to wrap that cost into a product that people already think is exspensive compared to some lessor made products that are produced over seas. The JK market while decent isn't going to justify the cost of the testing imho.
04-05-2013 05:59 PM
HunterTheBeagle
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Originally Posted by phillypete View Post
So this would probably be OK for pedestrian things like a cargo rack full of beach gear, or a bike rack?
I can't say for sure, but I would bet of its safe for recovery purposes than it would be just fine for a rack or a couple bikes. But I'm not a poison spyder rep or anything.
04-05-2013 05:56 PM
HunterTheBeagle
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Originally Posted by connorcrush View Post

On another forum, Dusty stated "In case you want to tow with it, at your own risk. We believe its actually stronger than the stock hitch. But we haven't gone through the steps to have the tow rating done on it yet, so technically and for liability reasons we can't specifically call it a tow hitch."
Hmm... Interesting I would think they are losing customers by not going thru the steps to have it rated, but sounds like they may be working on it, I hope so anyhow.
04-05-2013 05:56 PM
phillypete So this would probably be OK for pedestrian things like a cargo rack full of beach gear, or a bike rack?
04-05-2013 05:53 PM
connorcrush
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Originally Posted by HunterTheBeagle View Post
If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.
On another forum, Dusty stated "In case you want to tow with it, at your own risk. We believe its actually stronger than the stock hitch. But we haven't gone through the steps to have the tow rating done on it yet, so technically and for liability reasons we can't specifically call it a tow hitch."
04-05-2013 05:42 PM
HunterTheBeagle
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Originally Posted by Cole Trickle View Post
its hard to make everyone happy...

Its a very nice product and the "hitch" is alot higher than the factory hitch would be to provide better angles when offroading.

Its exactly what I have been waiting for. The hitch is probably 3 x stronger then the mass produced junk that came on our jeeps.

I completely understand ps protecting themselves from sue happy buyers with there disclaimer. someone will hook up a 5K pound trailer with no distribution hitch to there lifted jk on 37's and be upset when they wad up there rig and try and point fingers and get a lawyer that will sue.
If the issue was they are afraid of being sued for people towing over the rating then why don't they put a limit on it like Ace does? I think the issue is that its not suitable to tow with like poison spyder said. That being said, I agree with Mike I think the option of a cutout for the factory hitch would solve the issue.
04-05-2013 05:06 PM
connorcrush
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.

This.
As much as I would love to have a nice looking bumper like this, I can't justify having all that weight back there. If I had to add that much weight I'd want in more towards the middle of the Jeep, above the axles, not on the back.
I'd rather have an aluminum one like the one Nemesis showed at SEMA

Thing looks great though.
04-05-2013 03:48 PM
NFRs2000NYC Eh, looks cool but weighs a ton, and there is absolutely no reason for a rear bumper to weight anything CLOSE to what all these bumpers weight. I'll stick with the EXP1 Aluminum rear bumper coming out in the summer. Lugging around 200lbs is completely unnecessary. To each their own.
04-05-2013 03:32 PM
Cole Trickle
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Originally Posted by MikeK46 View Post
I'm surprised they don't give you the option to delete the tow hitch so that you can use the factory hitch.
I dont think it would work with the factory hitch the way it was designed
04-05-2013 03:31 PM
Cole Trickle its hard to make everyone happy...

Its a very nice product and the "hitch" is alot higher than the factory hitch would be to provide better angles when offroading.

Its exactly what I have been waiting for. The hitch is probably 3 x stronger then the mass produced junk that came on our jeeps.

I completely understand ps protecting themselves from sue happy buyers with there disclaimer. someone will hook up a 5K pound trailer with no distribution hitch to there lifted jk on 37's and be upset when they wad up there rig and try and point fingers and get a lawyer that will sue.
04-05-2013 02:59 PM
MikeK46 I'm surprised they don't give you the option to delete the tow hitch so that you can use the factory hitch.
04-05-2013 02:29 PM
Crashthings Very nice looking! But I won't buy one if I can't tow with it. They need to make it with a real hitch. The price is higher than I would like, but you also don't have to buy a TF HD Hinged carrier. But without being able to tow, it's not worth anything.
04-05-2013 01:32 PM
Texas_Jeep That sucks. I just received my PSC bumper last week. I wish I would have know, I would have waited
04-05-2013 11:21 AM
Jibba Looks good, but looks heavy. And agree thats lame about the hitch.
04-05-2013 06:25 AM
Cosmic Charlie It's very pretty...and pretty expensive...and pretty lame about the hitch.
04-05-2013 05:55 AM
HunterTheBeagle "IMPORTANT: The integrated hitch receiver is not rated for towing. It is intended as a recovery attachment point only." bummer!
04-05-2013 05:22 AM
Spyder1049 Sexy
04-04-2013 09:10 PM
MudRunner
Poison Spyder RockBrawler II

Just figured I'd share that the new PSC rear bumper/ tire carrier was released today. I know that some of you were interested in it, so here is the link

Jeep Wrangler JK RearBumper | JK RockBrawler II Rear Bumper with Tire Carrier | Poison Spyder Customs

Looks good!

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