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05-29-2013 06:46 AM
vmaek When I bought mine, I went between a new 13 sport and a 2010 rubi. I finally decided that the rubi had exactly what I wanted on it, the previous owner did a bunch of mods I liked and took good care of her. I know that I will never do everything she is capable of, but I wouldn't look back and get the newer year sport. There are no bad years, only opportunities to make some mods. The main thing is to get what you are happy with.
05-28-2013 09:11 PM
MichaelEdwardsDO
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Originally Posted by firehawk View Post
hi, there are no bad wranglers, they are all great fun.. take it to a local dealer pay a few $$$ and have it checked out, also if it looks like
it is well cared for you will be fine, also, most of us wrangler nuts keep
them up!!! good luck, let us know when you get your baby!!
Correction. "There are no bad wranglers" except the ones stuck on dealership lots who haven't yet found their homes
05-28-2013 07:16 PM
firehawk
no bad wranglers!

hi, there are no bad wranglers, they are all great fun.. take it to a local dealer pay a few $$$ and have it checked out, also if it looks like
it is well cared for you will be fine, also, most of us wrangler nuts keep
them up!!! good luck, let us know when you get your baby!!
05-28-2013 04:12 PM
Old Dogger Some of the 2007-2011 have some issues as follows:

3.8 burns oil
Automatic trans run hot
Lack of power, because of HP too vehicle weight ratio.

Some of the 2012s have cylinder head problems
Need water pumps replaced

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT I SAID SOME, MOST DON'T HAVE THESE ISSUES, OR CAN BE MODIFIED TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THEM!

The verdict is still out on the 2013s, but so far thet are pretty rock solid!
05-28-2013 10:02 AM
KC_Hawker
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Originally Posted by Asphalt Assault View Post
I have a 2008. It's alright and I have made big changes to it. See my signature. Going rubicon was the best way for me. I picked it up 2 years old with warranty truly lady driven, never shifted into low et alone lockers were not used once. $22g's! That was a suite deal and no pentastar was produced yet.
My story was very similiar. Was looking at ordering a new 2012 S, and happened across a 2010 Rubi with everything I thought I wanted at that point for less than a stripper base model with either the affiliate discount or tread lightly. Only thing I really lost was the 3.6 and the new tranny. I notice the shifting on the highway now after reading about it on the forums but otherwise very happy with my choice.

It seems everyone wants the new ones and there are GREAT deals on slightly used ones...
05-28-2013 07:31 AM
BagerX2
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Originally Posted by bartlanz View Post
Why? I never had any issues with my 12 & manual... Got a 13 manual coming in Monday
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Originally Posted by Osage Orange View Post
Me neither, 24,000 miles on my manual so far.
With yall on the manual, 26k miles here and no problem.

Unrelated to the transmission, I have had the ticking problem. When I took it in for it the lifters had collapsed and needed to be replaced. They did that and a week later it was doing it again. Im waiting till my next oil change in another 1.5k miles to take it in again for it, unless it gets worse.
05-28-2013 06:37 AM
Asphalt Assault
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Originally Posted by FXnut View Post
Hi there,

I'm just wondering your reasoning here?

As having owned a couple rubi's, I'm now in the market for a new sport and the difference in price IMHO doesn't justify the electronic sway bar disconnects, locking difs and pretty hood sticker.

The price difference between new rubi and new sport leaves lots of money left over to customize they way you want, including ARB air lockers, skid plates, bumpers, lift, etc etc.
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Originally Posted by wmshay6 View Post
The women or the Rubis?
Depends on your build plans. I recommend a rubi for a simple build up to 37" tires. If bigger than I recommend a 2wd jeep (some exist) and build that with 8 lugs, v8, and an atlas transfer case.

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Originally Posted by riggle151 View Post
Hello all. I currently have a jeep cherokee, its actually my 5th 1. I've had a couple lifted and my current 1 is stock except a little 2"lift.
Its time to move on and get a NEW Jeep Wrangler!
My question/concern is- I do not know much about Wranglers, but I do know that with any manufacturer, their are certain year vehicles that have problems then those problems usually get corrected the following year.
Is there any 2007-2013 Wranglers that would be considered a "bad year?"
I was thinking just a Wrangler Sport S would be good enough, but I like how the Rubicon has the ability to lock the diff but the price difference is quite a bit. If I ever wanted locking diffs like is stock on the Rubicon, would it be a expensive future mod or would it be best to just get the Rubicon?
Is the new ones better on gas?

Give me any and all opinions, thoughts and answers and it will be greatly appreciated for my near soon purchase.
You sound like an potential x or Sahara owner needing a unlimited with pentastar. You will want the power and will lift it for the look and feel. Maybe not a trail goer much. I could be wrong but you tell me your plans.

I have a 2008. It's alright and I have made big changes to it. See my signature. Going rubicon was the best way for me. I picked it up 2 years old with warranty truly lady driven, never shifted into low et alone lockers were not used once. $22g's! That was a suite deal and no pentastar was produced yet.

Friend of mine had a 2007 rubicon and sold it due to being a dog, slow, bad on gas. He loved it though? Yeah really. Now he bought a new call of duty and loves it. He did go through consideration of a Sahara or x as he doesn't go offroad. And he still got a rubicon as he felt it would be worth it and he would regret it. It makes a difference of being stuck or moving. Getting someone else unstuck or out. It is that big of a deal.

Rubi gets a lower geared transfercase and stronger unit besides lockers, sway bar disconnect, and a hood sticker.

If you can find a call of duty then perhaps go for that. Your build could be 37"s, front driveshaft, 2.5" lift go AEV, and flat fenders. Put on a winch if it does not have it. Some do as a factory option and its a warn. Then teraflex rear door tire mount kit to mount rear tire on the back. Bumpers are basically AEV bumpers and I don't see reason to change, although front may hit with 37" so you could do 35"s and have no issues. Done
05-28-2013 05:29 AM
rockinkuwait
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Originally Posted by Osage Orange View Post
I refer to the long lived 3.8L as the "Lee Iacocca Engine" since the 3.6L is also used in minivans AND Challengers, Rams, 300s, etc. SoI call the 3.6L the "Everything Engine" or a "Detuned Challenger Engine" when I'm trying to impress the ignorant.
It sounds better than the VW Routan engine (or Pacifica, Town & Country, Caravan, New Yorker, etc...) lol
05-27-2013 05:05 PM
live_slow
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Originally Posted by MichaelEdwardsDO View Post
Didn't need it. Wanted it. Not as smooth but a whole lot better than my old Cherokee or the ford trucks I've had or my buddies TJ. I met yet swap for a long arm kit and 37"s not because I need but because I want
nothing wrong with 4" of long arm goodness :-) want or need

I saw a JK Rubicon with 37s on it the other day. Made mine look like a Camry in comparison.
05-27-2013 05:03 PM
MichaelEdwardsDO
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Originally Posted by mi1knc0okies View Post
Hi guys, I'm new here and been trolling the forums looking at buying my first Wrangler. Looking at getting a JKU and most of my questions and concerns have been answered in this thread but, i was wondering about towing. I do track days with my sport bike and know the JKU could easily tow my bike and a small trailer plus my gear but I can't find a used JKU with the 3.7 axles. Will having the 3.21 axles make that much of a difference? Sucks I just barely miss the deadline to have a 2013 built.
3.21's are rated at 1000 lbs and I felt like it was a stretch. I swapped gears to 4.56's (37" tires in my future). Get at least 3.73 or upgrade to 4.10 in a rubi if you are long hauling it
05-27-2013 04:03 PM
mi1knc0okies Hi guys, I'm new here and been trolling the forums looking at buying my first Wrangler. Looking at getting a JKU and most of my questions and concerns have been answered in this thread but, i was wondering about towing. I do track days with my sport bike and know the JKU could easily tow my bike and a small trailer plus my gear but I can't find a used JKU with the 3.7 axles. Will having the 3.21 axles make that much of a difference? Sucks I just barely miss the deadline to have a 2013 built.
05-27-2013 12:19 PM
MichaelEdwardsDO Didn't need it. Wanted it. Not as smooth but a whole lot better than my old Cherokee or the ford trucks I've had or my buddies TJ. I met yet swap for a long arm kit and 37"s not because I need but because I want
05-27-2013 10:31 AM
live_slow
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Originally Posted by riggle151 View Post
And from past experience, if I go with a cheap 4" rough country lift, the smooth factory suspension will go away and I'll have a rough riding Cherokee. Is it the same with the JKU? I've seen a JKU with the stock sport wheels and a lift and it looked so much better. I wouldnt mind lifting it, if I could get the 4" and keep the smooth factory ride, whats that take? Expensive?
The JKs don't need as much lift to run decent sized tires.

That's the biggest difference out of the gate for me coming from an XJ that required a decent lift to properly clear 32s.

Most of the JKU guys seem to favor 35" tires, and can get by with less than 4".

Check out the quality 2.5 lifts out there (lots of threads here).

Guys run 33"s on stock with a trim or budget boost type lifts.
05-27-2013 10:18 AM
riggle151 And from past experience, if I go with a cheap 4" rough country lift, the smooth factory suspension will go away and I'll have a rough riding Cherokee. Is it the same with the JKU? I've seen a JKU with the stock sport wheels and a lift and it looked so much better. I wouldnt mind lifting it, if I could get the 4" and keep the smooth factory ride, whats that take? Expensive?
05-26-2013 10:11 AM
MichaelEdwardsDO
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Originally Posted by riggle151 View Post
yeah, I looked up cargo room and I see where the Unlimited would be much better, just hate the way the Unlimited sits stock. To me the Unlimited looks goofy without a little lift and tires cause cause the wheelbase is so long, where as just the 2 door looks good lift or no lift. I know image isnt everything, but I cant make a purchase on somthing, that I think is weird looking
I agree about the lift issue which is why mine is on 4" of lift and 35" tires
05-26-2013 09:07 AM
riggle151 yeah, I looked up cargo room and I see where the Unlimited would be much better, just hate the way the Unlimited sits stock. To me the Unlimited looks goofy without a little lift and tires cause cause the wheelbase is so long, where as just the 2 door looks good lift or no lift. I know image isnt everything, but I cant make a purchase on somthing, that I think is weird looking
05-26-2013 12:21 AM
Sasquatchewan
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Originally Posted by redbilly View Post
I have a 2011. I bought it a couple months before the MY12's came out. I regretted this for quite a while until I decided to go out and buy a 2012 Rubicon. I went to the dealership and test drove every model. I can not say that I did not notice a difference, especially in the transmission. However the difference to me was insignificant. The only thing I could imagine making me switch would be an in depth analysis of the Pentastar's longevity over the previous platform. Thus, I kept my 2011.

I love my Wrangler, I love my mods, and I love my minivan engine. If I had wanted better gas mileage, I would have purchased a Prius. I have yet to need more power. So I am happy with my JK, even if it is a taboo model year! I take very good care of my Jeep, and I expect it to last a long time.

I would not shy away from an 07'-11'. If you can get more engine at the same price though, do it!
I have done the same ! Proven reliability the 3.6 will have to prove its self over time my 2011 does everything for me flawlessly my 97 TJ has 206,000 trouble free mi. I'm hoping for the same on 2011
05-25-2013 10:53 PM
MichaelEdwardsDO
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Originally Posted by riggle151 View Post
Well thanks for all the replies so far. When I do make the purchase, it will be new. I am DONE buying other peoples problems then hoping I dont have to fix somthing. A new vehicle with a big ole 5 year warranty sounds great to me.
Like I say, I've had 5 diff cherokees, lifted a couple and same thing happens every time- I spend all that money and the fun factor eventually wears off, maybe cause I'm older now and just dont care about a lifted daily driver.
Yes Daily Driver is mainly what it will be. I'm not worried about gas mileage but at the same time, with Full Size F-150s getting in the low 20's, it does make me want to wait on Jeep to come out with a low fuel consumption Wranger even though I know it will prolly never happen.
Daily Driver but the occasional small offroad get drunk out in the wood with friends adventure, so after reading all the replies, it doesnt make sense to go Rubi being $5k extra I'd just be getting lockers and some litte du dads that are more for show than anything. I looked up ARB, if worse ever came to worse, its about $1k for a air locker which isnt too bad.
I was originally thinking Rubi cause we do have winters in ohio, where all of a sudden, ya wake up and there is 2 feet of snow and lockers would prolly be fun.
And from what some of you said, looks like the dana 30 and 44 is good to have. The brand new ones have those axles on their sport s.
One concern, which prolly alot of you will laugh, but is there enough room for my golf clubs in the back? if I have the tops off and the doors off, the only spot would be in the back. hmmm
In a four door you can fit your whole foursome's clubs in the back.
05-25-2013 10:13 PM
riggle151 Well thanks for all the replies so far. When I do make the purchase, it will be new. I am DONE buying other peoples problems then hoping I dont have to fix somthing. A new vehicle with a big ole 5 year warranty sounds great to me.
Like I say, I've had 5 diff cherokees, lifted a couple and same thing happens every time- I spend all that money and the fun factor eventually wears off, maybe cause I'm older now and just dont care about a lifted daily driver.
Yes Daily Driver is mainly what it will be. I'm not worried about gas mileage but at the same time, with Full Size F-150s getting in the low 20's, it does make me want to wait on Jeep to come out with a low fuel consumption Wranger even though I know it will prolly never happen.
Daily Driver but the occasional small offroad get drunk out in the wood with friends adventure, so after reading all the replies, it doesnt make sense to go Rubi being $5k extra I'd just be getting lockers and some litte du dads that are more for show than anything. I looked up ARB, if worse ever came to worse, its about $1k for a air locker which isnt too bad.
I was originally thinking Rubi cause we do have winters in ohio, where all of a sudden, ya wake up and there is 2 feet of snow and lockers would prolly be fun.
And from what some of you said, looks like the dana 30 and 44 is good to have. The brand new ones have those axles on their sport s.
One concern, which prolly alot of you will laugh, but is there enough room for my golf clubs in the back? if I have the tops off and the doors off, the only spot would be in the back. hmmm
05-25-2013 09:04 AM
jadmt I have a 2013 Sport unlimited and if I could go back 8 months in time I would have gotten a 2 door rubicon instead.
05-25-2013 09:04 AM
MichaelEdwardsDO Buy new is my vote
05-25-2013 08:56 AM
Blackpony04 Instead of commenting on which years are better or worse I think the bigger question is whether it's better to buy new versus used. We had a hell of a time finding a decent used JK and we were moments away from making an offer on an 08 with 50k miles for $19k but I noticed rust on the hinges and after my TJ experience I knew what an ordeal rust can be with Jeeps so we walked away. Fast forward a week later and we bought the 2012 and paid $24k with 5 miles, full warranty, and no one else's problems on a 4 year newer vehicle with what I consider the better of the two engines. Now I'm trying to--unsuccessfully so far--convince my wife to let me trade in my car for a new JKU!
05-25-2013 08:28 AM
Osage Orange
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Originally Posted by Binx View Post
2 rebuilds and a replacement tranny all under 7k miles and new transmission is more problematic than the original. Worst tranny I have ever had in a vehicle. YMMV though.
That sucks! Too bad they don't use Tremecs.
05-25-2013 08:12 AM
bartlanz
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Originally Posted by Binx View Post
2 rebuilds and a replacement tranny all under 7k miles and new transmission is more problematic than the original. Worst tranny I have ever had in a vehicle. YMMV though.
Wow, I had no such issue...
05-25-2013 08:10 AM
Binx 2 rebuilds and a replacement tranny all under 7k miles and new transmission is more problematic than the original. Worst tranny I have ever had in a vehicle. YMMV though.
05-25-2013 07:47 AM
Osage Orange
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Originally Posted by bartlanz View Post

Why? I never had any issues with my 12 & manual... Got a 13 manual coming in Monday
Me neither, 24,000 miles on my manual so far.
05-25-2013 07:23 AM
bartlanz
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Originally Posted by Binx View Post
Dont get a 12 with a manual transmission.
Why? I never had any issues with my 12 & manual... Got a 13 manual coming in Monday
05-25-2013 06:31 AM
Binx Dont get a 12 with a manual transmission.
05-25-2013 05:50 AM
Martin10 My only comment is about the gas mileage. My 2013 Wrangler gets about 4-5 more mpg than my 1994 Cherokee in mixed driving. Both automatics and both stock.
05-25-2013 04:55 AM
highwayman
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
Its an extreme few. Like within the first few weeks of production I've never seen one in person and only saw 2 online. They really aren't common

But it's easy to check. D44's have an octagonal diff cover
Hmmm, I know of two people that got stuck with the 35 on their used purchase.
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