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07-23-2013 06:40 PM
Bubb Great looking Jeep!
07-23-2013 05:52 PM
Shadoen I have a 10A with 33" but i have the 2.5" AEV lift on it. Heres a pic so you can reference it against a stock if someone posts



Attachment 276575
07-23-2013 05:03 PM
Bubb I'd also love to know if there's anyone out there with a 10A, no lift and 33s (or 285/70/17) on stock wheels? Any rubbing issues when disconnected? Wheel spacers needed?
07-04-2013 08:13 AM
NYEDC108 Can someone post a pic of there 10a with no lift and 33's. maybe with something like person to give reference point to relate height to? If possible? Thank for help! Ed
07-04-2013 08:10 AM
NYEDC108 Can someone post a pic of there 10a with no lift and 33's. maybe with something like person to give reference point to relate height to? If possible? Thank for help! Ed
07-02-2013 08:15 PM
pepatrick
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Originally Posted by JKmuder View Post
Install went well








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With your old springs and shocks, I am sitting at 45 3/4 where your measurement of 47 is. Im pretty happy with that. It will probably drop a half inch when I get bumpers on it.
07-02-2013 08:08 PM
J33P4M3 I opted for the Teraflex 2.5" coil spring lift with the Bilstein shock upgrade sold as a kit from Northridge4x4.com The kit is $800. I added on the AEV geometry correction bracket and both the front Teraflex Monster HD adjustable track bar and the rear Teraflex adjustable track bar. Also added the Teraflex exhaust spacers. Total cost around $1350. About 1000 bucks less than that Mopar kit. You can see the before and after shots of my 10A at http://retube.co/jkur
07-02-2013 07:37 PM
JK_YV
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Originally Posted by AegisCPO View Post
Got a question for those who have lifted already, just found out a few of us have the following rear springs 68024461AA. From what I can tell the correct rear spring should be 68196009AA. Did any of you have the 68024461AA springs?
Next set of questions...
1) Is there a real difference between 68024461AA and 68196009AA springs?
2) Would this have anything to do with having the max tow package?
3) Would it be worth having the dealer order and install 68196009AA springs if they are in fact the ones that should have been installed on my 10A?
Thanks.
I have the same question...

Is there a real difference between 68024461AA and 68196009AA springs?

Thanks guys!
06-12-2013 11:37 AM
JeepHerz Did you try Online Tire?
Onlinetires.com - Lowest Tire Prices on the Web. Period!
Not sure how they compare with shipping. I picked up mine. I don't see KM2s right now- but I bought mine there. They're really helpful so it might be worth a call. They'll price match too.
They have MTRs right now which is odd because they're on back order too. But their warehouse is HUGE. There is a national rebate right now. I like my MTRs a little better actually- they're smoother and quieter on the road. They also don't have that "round" look that the KM2 has. Great on the trail. Plus they tend to run "true" to size- KM2s are on the small side. But the KM2s were good too- not talking night and day here.
06-12-2013 09:01 AM
gorogergo
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Originally Posted by 47oldman View Post
Thanks, but I need 17s. These are 15s.
Missed that. Sorry.
06-12-2013 03:55 AM
47oldman Thanks, but I need 17s. These are 15s.
06-11-2013 07:36 AM
gorogergo
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Originally Posted by 47oldman View Post
Trying to find bfg km2 35s. Discount tire, Tire Rack, all back ordered. Anyone find any at good price?

Thanks
Amazon has them for $263.00, Prime eligible.

BFGoodrich Mud Terrain T/A KM2 Off-Road Tire - 35/1250R15 113Q : Amazon.com : Automotive
06-11-2013 05:17 AM
47oldman Trying to find bfg km2 35s. Discount tire, Tire Rack, all back ordered. Anyone find any at good price?

Thanks
06-10-2013 07:37 PM
Rmcroslin I am curious about the spring length of the actual springs while installed on a stock 10A.

My 09 JKUR with a 2" Mopar (Jeep came that way) lift are 13" in the front. Compared to a stock 13 JKUR and stock Sahara are both at 11" in the front. I am waiting on my 10A-JKUR to arrive. It is on a train/truck somewhere. I can surely believe some are getting the wrong springs, especially later builds or even vice versus due to supply issues. Measuring length on the Jeep would help to figure out if we are getting shorted.
06-07-2013 11:30 PM
AegisCPO Got a question for those who have lifted already, just found out a few of us have the following rear springs 68024461AA. From what I can tell the correct rear spring should be 68196009AA. Did any of you have the 68024461AA springs?
Next set of questions...
1) Is there a real difference between 68024461AA and 68196009AA springs?
2) Would this have anything to do with having the max tow package?
3) Would it be worth having the dealer order and install 68196009AA springs if they are in fact the ones that should have been installed on my 10A?
Thanks.
05-28-2013 01:33 PM
JeepHerz By the way- did you see this thread? Mostly pics. I have some of my install as well but mostly the rear end only.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/mop...-145335-3.html
And FYI- the Foxies take a little while to settle in/seat. They'll be pretty firm at first so give it a hundred miles or so. Or just find a good trail with lots of articulation to play on.
05-27-2013 07:32 PM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by JeepHerz View Post

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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post
Very good points ... I'm sold.

Questions..

1. what's the advertised lift? 2.5" or 3.0". 3". On the phone TF said 3.5"+ based on a 2 door softie with stock bumper.

2. what's that actual lift? 2.5" or 3.0". 3.5" to start. Once I added a mid-width bumper and winch I settled to 3".

3. did you add an adjustable track bar? Yes. Poly Performance up front. Relocation bracket came on the rear. Also added a relocation bracket upfront because I have a tendency to run into large rocks. Head on. You can do either/or-both are not a necessity. You can always add an adjustable track bar or relo. bracket later if you need it. I tracked straight on the road right out the gate- but I didn't like that I wasn't centered on the axle.
Thanks... pretty much answers a lot of questions for those looking at the Mopar Stage 3 - 3.0" suspension lift.

Plan on adding to the cost an adjustable track bar ... just like kjeeper10 said, should be required.

I know I wouldn't run without it ...



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05-27-2013 07:15 PM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Teraflex having a 2 AND 4 door coil is going to be closer to advertised height.
Their 2.5" coils are 3.1" front and 2.1" rear.

At 2.5" the axle is usually shifted over 3/8"

I like the added strength a aftermarket gives you and I installed one with my 2.5"

3-4" is a must IMO

Agree 100% .. this is where I get heartburn.

Why an adjustable TF track bar with the Mopar 2.0 2" kit .. but is deleted from Mopar 3.0 3" kit?

From Quadratech site:

Quote:
MOPAR® Performance 2" Lift Kit with Fox Shocks
For 12-13 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door
Quadratec Part No: 16170.1011
Manufacturer Part No: P5156116

Fits These Vehicles
12-13 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4-Door (JK)

Whether it’s Moab, the Baja or your daily commute, Mopar enhances your JK’s capabilities, ride comfort and control. The 2” lift is ideal for 33” diameter tires, but will clear most 35s. The 3” and 4” lifts are best suited for 35” tires. All lifts feature coil springs with wheelbase-specific load ratings for 2 and 4-door JKs. This kit features the new FOX Racing Shox 2.0 Performance Series IFP shock. Its brushed aluminum shock body dissipates heat faster than conventional steel, and combines with other race-inspired technology to provide incredible fade-free performance, precise handling and stability. FOX’s hard chrome plated heat treated shock shaft and redundant sealing system does not require a dust boot.

Product Details

Fits These Vehicles:
12-13 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4-Door (JK)

Installation Notes

Install Time: 6-8 Hours

· Ideally rated coil springs, and your choice of shock absorber options.
· Adjustable alignment cams (at lower link arms-to-axle attachment points) correct caster angle.
· Front body / frame alignment corrected by an adjustable track bar; the rear is handled via a track bar relocation bracket with integrated brace.
· Correct length stabilizer bar links with Heim ends.
· Brake hose and parking brake cable relocation brackets.
· Replacement high-clearance, high capacity steering stabilizer kit.
· Works with all vehicle systems including the Electronic Stability Program.
· Limited Lifetime Warranty.



Quote:
MOPAR® Performance 3" Lift Kit with Fox Shocks
For 12-13 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door
Quadratec Part No: 16170.1009
Manufacturer Part No: P5156140

Fits These Vehicles
12-13 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4-Door (JK)

Whether its Moab, the Baja or your daily commute, Mopar enhances your JK's capabilities, ride comfort and control. The 2" lift is ideal for 33" diameter tires, but will clear most 35s. The 3" and 4" lifts are best suited for 35" tires. All lifts feature coil springs with wheelbase-specific load ratings for 2 and 4-door JKs. Co-developed with FOX and TeraFlex, the Stage 3 Lift utilizes an external reservoir version of the FOX 2.0 Performance Series shock for even greater heat dissipation. The shocks, in combination with the Mopar / TeraFlex SpeedBump System (used on the front axle), provide exceptional performance at speed. Additionally, this system includes all four rear axle-to-frame link arms, and the front / lower link arms for ideal driveline geometry and front end alignment (no realignment required).
Product Details

Product Details

Fits These Vehicles:
12-13 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4-Door (JK)

Installation Notes

Install Time: 6-8 Hours

· Ideally rated coil springs with performance tuned, external reservoir FOX Racing Shox for improved high-speed handling and reduced fade.
· Mopar / TeraFlex SpeedBump System improves compression dampening.
· Front / lower axle-to-frame link arms automatically correct caster angle; no realignment required.
· All four new rear axle-to-frame link arms included for optimum driveshaft angle.
· Replacement link arms have factory type steel-encased bushings for superior vibration dampening and wear characteristics.
· Suspension limiting straps prevent component overextension and related damage.
· Includes new front / rear stabilizer bar links with sealed ends.
· Works with all vehicle systems including the Electronic Stability Program.
· Limited Lifetime Warranty.



05-27-2013 07:04 PM
JeepHerz
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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post
Very good points ... I'm sold.

Questions..

1. what's the advertised lift? 2.5" or 3.0". 3". On the phone TF said 3.5"+ based on a 2 door softie with stock bumper.

2. what's that actual lift? 2.5" or 3.0". 3.5" to start. Once I added a mid-width bumper and winch I settled to 3".

3. did you add an adjustable track bar? Yes. Poly Performance up front. Relocation bracket came on the rear. Also added a relocation bracket upfront because I have a tendency to run into large rocks. Head on. You can do either/or-both are not a necessity.
You can always add an adjustable track bar or relo. bracket later if you need it. I tracked straight on the road right out the gate- but I didn't like that I wasn't centered on the axle.
Poser Pic.
Videos from You Tube if you're bored (Jeepgirls rock- second in):
Waterfall Holcomb You Tube - YouTube

Marble Canyon 4-7-13 - YouTube
Skip to 12 minutes. Not me- but a fun spot. I'm next- though you only see a little flex at this point. Like I said- I don't get as much "flex appeal" with limit straps but I'd rather not break anything. Rear shock skids- and then drive shafts are next on the list. Then I am done. Really.
05-27-2013 06:09 PM
kjeeper10 Teraflex having a 2 AND 4 door coil is going to be closer to advertised height.
Their 2.5" coils are 3.1" front and 2.1" rear.

At 2.5" the axle is usually shifted over 3/8"

I like the added strength a aftermarket gives you and I installed one with my 2.5"

3-4" is a must IMO
05-27-2013 05:23 PM
m998dna Very good points ... I'm sold.

Questions..

1. what's the advertised lift? 2.5" or 3.0"

2. what's that actual lift? 2.5" or 3.0"

3. did you add an adjustable track bar?

I see this language spewed all over the Teraflex website for all their advertised 3"+ lifts.

Quote:
Front adjustable trackbar (part #1753418) is needed to recenter the front axle properly.
Need some clarity around this...

On my XJ, it was required to add an adjustable track bar beyond an advertised 3.0" lift. In other words, 3.0" it was NOT required... 3.5" it was ABSOLUTELY required. Keep in mind Rancho's advertised 3.0" lift was an actual 3.0", my Rubicon Express advertised 4.5" lift was an actual 5.25" lift - so this is important to know when buying a lift - kit or components.

Per the photo, I see the adjustable front track bar is NOT included in the Mopar 3.0 kit... or is it and I'm going blind.



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05-27-2013 04:06 PM
JeepHerz First off- yes, Stage 3 is overkill if you don't plan to off-road or hit a trail. Yes the kit is expensive. Yes- the limit straps seem overkill. Yes the bump stops are very pricey.
Wish you could Take a ride in my Jeep. Every single time I am out someone comments how nice my suspension works and how smooth it is. Over washboard or bumps its fantastic. I don't have to drive pre-runner style to enjoy it. Rock crawling is only marginally better- but getting to the rocks is a lot more enjoyable.
This is a "factory style" lift. The limit straps are there to prevent damage to the drive shafts and shocks. Once I replace my stock shafts I'll remove them. However I've crawled over the same rocks as coil-overs have without issue. Course the coil-overs still look cooler. And I do avoid SOME of the gigantic ones LOL.
My favorite component is the bumpstops. Coming down over rocks isn't spine crushing. You can hear them work- and work they do. Mogul style stretches of trail are grinning- fun. While other people complain- I am having a blast (shocks important too,) Don't get me wrong- though- its still not a Razor.
As for the non-adjustables I constantly hear this complaint. These arms are designed to be the right length for the lift specifically. Why do they need to be adjusted if they're right to start? And no maintenance. It's been checked for caster/alignment. Everything is in spec. From day of install.
The only thing we needed was an adjustable front track bar and/or relocation bracket for the front. $150. Install (ourselves) went smoothly and everything was top notch quality.
There are plenty of less expensive kits out there that are perfectly fine. For someone who never hits a trail or is only out a couple of times a year it's not worth it. But I'd certainly recommend it and if I were to start over- I'd do the same kit. No question.
05-27-2013 12:04 PM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by Bsflyboy View Post
JW, Did you ever get an answer on the shocks, are they he same on the stock Rubi and the 10A? Several people have asked, but don't think I have seen it answered.
I doubt the shocks are different... The only way to know is one of us goes to the dealer parts counter and see if they carry a different PN than the standard Rubicon.

With that said, I wouldn't waste the time, money or effort installing these OEM Bilsteen shocks. There are better shocks on the market. I would look at Rancho RS9000's (personal favorite) OME (Old Man Emu) or if you want to move upscale... Fox 2.0 Performance Series or King OEM.

As far as these fancy compression bump stops... unless you're really going to use your suspension at full travel, it's a waste of money.

I came from an era when Fox Shocks ruled the motocross scene. My 1978 Maico 450 Wheelsmith Works bike had Fox Air Shocks - with nitrogen filled bladders. They needed servicing, but that was a long time ago.

Not sure about reliability of the King, ACOS Pro or Teraflex SpeedBumps. Again, if you're not going to use the suspension, they'll be on there more for looks than function - which I'm okay with because its not my money.

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05-27-2013 11:32 AM
Bsflyboy
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post

Thank you, much appreciated.
JW, Did you ever get an answer on the shocks, are they he same on the stock Rubi and the 10A? Several people have asked, but don't think I have seen it answered.
05-27-2013 10:56 AM
jwilson2598
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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post
Front = 68196006AA

Rear = 68196009AA

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Thank you, much appreciated.
05-27-2013 10:34 AM
Off Pavement
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Originally Posted by m998dna View Post
Interesting... no valving? How do these work?
The Teraflex "micro-cellular polyurethane technology" is basically a replacement material for a hard rubber bump stop. It has a different energy absorption rate than solid rubber so the energy transfer to frame is dramatically reduced.
05-27-2013 09:43 AM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by Off Pavement View Post
I'm pleased with our Mopar stage 3. The speed bumps are made out of some fancy polyurethane compound so there is no valving to wear out. The fixed length control arms are not standard length, and that was a major selling point to me. Over the years with my TJ, I went through just about everybody's flex joint control arms. Frankly, I'm hoping for better reliability than I got from adjustable control arms... time will tell.
Interesting... no valving? How do these work?

Also notice the reason the Mopar Stage 3 kit only comes with these pseudo compression bump stops in the front .. because the rears need to be welded into the frame.

Not going to happen at a Jeep dealer nor will welding to the frame be blessed by Chrysler Jeep.

Quote:
The TeraFlex PreRunner SpeedBump Bumpstop kit features 3" stroke bumpstops at all four corners for maximum suspension control. A bumpstop canister is welded into the frame to mount the rear bumpstop.
05-27-2013 08:21 AM
IndyJeepMan
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Originally Posted by profunctional View Post
Plug n' Play is why I went with mopar. I came here to do a little research, but in the end I just want it done in as little time possible. I wasn't looking at the price of the kit vs. the others, but was simply looking at whether the price was worth it to me.

The only reason I would have gone to another kit is if I had confirmation that going elsewhere was a much better option for reliability and time. So far, I haven't seen anything bad about the mopar lift othe than it being overpriced or rebranded. But neither seem to affect its reliability so I went with it.
Idk if you work on your own vehicles but you could have gotten better for about 600-800 less.

I can do a custom 3 link, 4 link with trusses for less than $2600 and thats with coilovers, and a few hundred more for ORI struts. But to each his own.
05-27-2013 08:16 AM
profunctional Plug n' Play is why I went with mopar. I came here to do a little research, but in the end I just want it done in as little time possible. I wasn't looking at the price of the kit vs. the others, but was simply looking at whether the price was worth it to me.

The only reason I would have gone to another kit is if I had confirmation that going elsewhere was a much better option for reliability and time. So far, I haven't seen anything bad about the mopar lift othe than it being overpriced or rebranded. But neither seem to affect its reliability so I went with it.
05-27-2013 01:39 AM
m998dna
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post
If anyone lifts their 10A and would be interested in parting with the coils, let me know. I was thinking about using them to get another 1" lift on top of my leveling kit. Curious to see the part numbers on the coils and if the shocks are standard Rubi shocks or not.

Front = 68196006AA

Rear = 68196009AA

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