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05-28-2013 03:44 AM
85CJ Going there tomorrow or Thursday, will let you know.
05-27-2013 10:06 PM
Billet13 I am planning on the POR15 route as I have some already. U should check with the dealer anyway. Maybe they'll take care of it...
05-27-2013 10:22 AM
shelbydog
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Ok, thanks for the info and thread reference! I didn't want to sound like an idiot when I take it in there this week when that kind of rust is normal. The textured strip along the back bumper though definitely should not be peeling, and I will certainly have that taken care of.

Is it worth using something like POR15 rust paint on the diffs, hubs, axles, etc or just a waste of time? This is a 2013 model right ?? Lol!

I'd just hit it with some rustoleum rattle can and call it a day.
05-27-2013 06:04 AM
85CJ
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Originally Posted by Billet13 View Post
Yes, unfortunately, it's "normal" to have that surface rust on many of the chassis components. You'll find that both driveshafts are completely "rusted" (they don't coat them, same as the rear axle on my Mustang), and that the chassis bits you mentioned will have some rust on them. It will look like they didn't do a good paint job on these components... because they didn't. Also, any scratches on the frame. My dealer and I looked at a transport full of new ones that had just rolled in, they all showed that same "patina" on their parts as mine did with 25 miles on it.
Seems to affect most '13's. If you do a search you'll find several detailed threads and many "familar" pics. None of the parts mentioned will suffer an early demise because of it, but it is annoying.
(Don't know about the bumper...)
Ok, thanks for the info and thread reference! I didn't want to sound like an idiot when I take it in there this week when that kind of rust is normal. The textured strip along the back bumper though definitely should not be peeling, and I will certainly have that taken care of.

Is it worth using something like POR15 rust paint on the diffs, hubs, axles, etc or just a waste of time? This is a 2013 model right ?? Lol!
05-27-2013 05:20 AM
Billet13
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Is it normal to have surface rust already on areas such as the diff covers, inside of the hubs, drive shaft, etc? It had 89 miles on it at pickup, but probably sat awhile on their lot??

Just seems kind of odd for a new Jeep, never crossed my mind to look underneath, just kinda was looking at the tires and started noticing it. Also, that sandpaper look-alike strip on the back bumper looks kinda gray and is peeling at one corner already. That can be easily fixed, but hope all is ok with this new Jeep.
Yes, unfortunately, it's "normal" to have that surface rust on many of the chassis components. You'll find that both driveshafts are completely "rusted" (they don't coat them, same as the rear axle on my Mustang), and that the chassis bits you mentioned will have some rust on them. It will look like they didn't do a good paint job on these components... because they didn't. Also, any scratches on the frame. My dealer and I looked at a transport full of new ones that had just rolled in, they all showed that same "patina" on their parts as mine did with 25 miles on it.
Seems to affect most '13's. If you do a search you'll find several detailed threads and many "familar" pics. None of the parts mentioned will suffer an early demise because of it, but it is annoying.
(Don't know about the bumper...)
05-27-2013 12:58 AM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Is it normal to have surface rust already on areas such as the diff covers, inside of the hubs, drive shaft, etc? It had 89 miles on it at pickup, but probably sat awhile on their lot??

Just seems kind of odd for a new Jeep, never crossed my mind to look underneath, just kinda was looking at the tires and started noticing it. Also, that sandpaper look-alike strip on the back bumper looks kinda gray and is peeling at one corner already. That can be easily fixed, but hope all is ok with this new Jeep.
You're the one with the bumper to bumper warranty, I'd drive my happy ass down to the dealer and give my pointy finger out.

Its most likely just surface rust, but really, its on them... make 'em fix it.. Lord Knows that given the chance they'll be the ones bending you over the table, so take your shots while you can!

(It bears pointing out that my dealer and I have a long relationship, and they KNOW I'll be in there making them make every little thing exactly right..) I once had a Dodge Dakota brand knew from the same dealer and I took it back three times because the clutch pedal had a weird squeek... I knew full well a little WD40'd fix that right up... But a bumper to bumper warranty is a bumper to bumper warranty..

It'd be easy to call that 'nit-picking' but seriously, I just handed you 35k, you can put a little elbow grease into making me smile...
05-27-2013 12:53 AM
85CJ
Been a long time since I bought any new vehicle, but...

Is it normal to have surface rust already on areas such as the diff covers, inside of the hubs, drive shaft, etc? It had 89 miles on it at pickup, but probably sat awhile on their lot??

Just seems kind of odd for a new Jeep, never crossed my mind to look underneath, just kinda was looking at the tires and started noticing it. Also, that sandpaper look-alike strip on the back bumper looks kinda gray and is peeling at one corner already. That can be easily fixed, but hope all is ok with this new Jeep.
05-26-2013 08:11 PM
85CJ
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I love that hood!
It's is a nice hood, get to see it the whole time I'm driving!
05-26-2013 08:09 PM
85CJ
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
Glad they took care of you, that could have been a few bucks worth of corrections to get the other one behaving normally.

Be aware, when you push tire size up, (to 35) you're definitely going to need to budget for regear shortly afterwards. Stock gears are really no fun with bigger than stock tires - Chrysler really gets the stock tire size right at the edge of drivable, and anything beyond that requires a little work. (Figure 1000 to 1500 to regear 'parts and labor')..

AND BE AWARE that lifts and regears can have vast impacts on your warranty, so take your time.

Have fun! Welcome to WF... And for the love of god, when a Jeep driver waves... WAVE BACK.
Points well taken! Been waving already lol! Dang, I'm waving all the time now, cause I'm either on my Harley and now a Jeep!!
05-26-2013 06:47 PM
shelbydog I love that hood!
05-26-2013 06:44 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
2013 moab
Glad they took care of you, that could have been a few bucks worth of corrections to get the other one behaving normally.

Be aware, when you push tire size up, (to 35) you're definitely going to need to budget for regear shortly afterwards. Stock gears are really no fun with bigger than stock tires - Chrysler really gets the stock tire size right at the edge of drivable, and anything beyond that requires a little work. (Figure 1000 to 1500 to regear 'parts and labor')..

AND BE AWARE that lifts and regears can have vast impacts on your warranty, so take your time.

Have fun! Welcome to WF... And for the love of god, when a Jeep driver waves... WAVE BACK.
05-26-2013 06:26 PM
85CJ
Here are a few pics! :)

2013 moab
05-26-2013 07:45 AM
panthermark
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Well, in a stroke of good fortune and unbelievable amount of understanding, the dealership took back the jeep that had me start this thread. I feel relieved and was able to switch to the jeep that I originally test drove and was ready to buy anyway.

It's a 13' Moab with a good list of options and I drove it home with a grin on my face and excited like I should have been in the first place! Thanks for all the input on the lift issues and I will keep that in mind if and when I think about raising this one. But for now, I'm just going to enjoy it the way it is!
Nice!

Pics are now needed...
05-26-2013 06:53 AM
Drmad7
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Well, in a stroke of good fortune and unbelievable amount of understanding, the dealership took back the jeep that had me start this thread. I feel relieved and was able to switch to the jeep that I originally test drove and was ready to buy anyway.

It's a 13' Moab with a good list of options and I drove it home with a grin on my face and excited like I should have been in the first place! Thanks for all the input on the lift issues and I will keep that in mind if and when I think about raising this one. But for now, I'm just going to enjoy it the way it is!
SWEET! Give a shout out to the dealer for that! We only hear about the terrible ones! Congrats! But still no pics?!
05-26-2013 05:33 AM
85CJ Well, in a stroke of good fortune and unbelievable amount of understanding, the dealership took back the jeep that had me start this thread. I feel relieved and was able to switch to the jeep that I originally test drove and was ready to buy anyway.

It's a 13' Moab with a good list of options and I drove it home with a grin on my face and excited like I should have been in the first place! Thanks for all the input on the lift issues and I will keep that in mind if and when I think about raising this one. But for now, I'm just going to enjoy it the way it is!
05-25-2013 03:57 PM
kjeeper10 Very easy to do yourself.
05-25-2013 03:38 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by staindsoul View Post
I am not going to install these myself. What would be a fair price to have a shop install the brackets? And about how long would it take?
Not much. I've never installed them myself, but having looked at the kit and its instructions I can't imagine it'd take more than an hour. Depending on locale, shop rates are often about $80 to $110 an hour.
05-25-2013 12:40 PM
staindsoul I am not going to install these myself. What would be a fair price to have a shop install the brackets? And about how long would it take?
05-25-2013 08:38 AM
SilverSport
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........Also, when in my driveway with a slight grade, the jeep whines when releasing or applying brake. The sound is as if it is straining. Is it just breaking in? Or normal under a "load" on a slight grade........
A "groaning" sound is usually normal.
05-25-2013 06:53 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by staindsoul View Post

I am in same boat as OP. Wife bought a JKU with 4" Pro Comp stage 1 lift and 35's. At higher speeds it definitely starts floating and bouncing around in the lane.

You are saying these control arm brackets will make a huge difference? For $100 it's almost a no brainer.
Yes... Check this out.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/aev...ts-141862.html
05-25-2013 06:25 AM
staindsoul
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Kinda got buried In the other great post

For $99 you could easily install AEV front control arm brackets. These will flatten out your front arms and change the caster angle. The cheaper lift kits are not complete and leave out key components. Losing caster from lifting will cause flighty handling and overall poor drivability like you're describing.
I am in same boat as OP. Wife bought a JKU with 4" Pro Comp stage 1 lift and 35's. At higher speeds it definitely starts floating and bouncing around in the lane.

You are saying these control arm brackets will make a huge difference? For $100 it's almost a no brainer.
05-25-2013 06:15 AM
kjeeper10 Gould call.... 49 is way to high.
05-25-2013 05:53 AM
pepatrick
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Is there a stage 4? Mine is a stage 2. Looking forward to talking to the dealer today. I really doubt that I can make a switch, so I am planning on adding parts to correct these driving issues and strengthen their build.

Making a list from all your suggestions. Psi reads 49 on each tire from the EVIC, upper 20s seems low for a tire rated up to 80 psi, but I'll try anything at this point.
Do the research on here. 49 is way to high. 35s should be in the mid to upper 20s. It maybe slightly different because they are 20" rims...but not by much. I have 33s that rode terrible at 40 psi...at 30 psi the ride really well. 6000 miles later my tires are wearing even.
05-25-2013 05:45 AM
pepatrick
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
Is there a stage 4? Mine is a stage 2. Looking forward to talking to the dealer today. I really doubt that I can make a switch, so I am planning on adding parts to correct these driving issues and strengthen their build.

Making a list from all your suggestions. Psi reads 49 on each tire from the EVIC, upper 20s seems low for a tire rated up to 80 psi, but I'll try anything at this point.
My bad...that is what I meant.
05-25-2013 05:36 AM
85CJ Is there a stage 4? Mine is a stage 2. Looking forward to talking to the dealer today. I really doubt that I can make a switch, so I am planning on adding parts to correct these driving issues and strengthen their build.

Making a list from all your suggestions. Psi reads 49 on each tire from the EVIC, upper 20s seems low for a tire rated up to 80 psi, but I'll try anything at this point.
05-24-2013 10:36 PM
pepatrick
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Originally Posted by 85CJ View Post
From the dealer invoice: Mopar 4 inch Stage 2 lift kit with Fox race shocks. Looks like that is all that was used, along with the 20" XD rims and Nitto 35" tires. I will be talking with them tomorrow. We have bought other vehicles there before and have a pretty good rapport, hopefully that will help solve this one way or another. I am also expecting to pay one way or another, either to add items to this jeep or to obtain another one. I will be mentioning many of the products or suggestions mentioned here, so thanks again!!
Actually..if you got the mopar stage 4 lift and the did it right, that is a pretty good lift. I wold check tire pressure. That may be it.
05-24-2013 10:09 PM
85CJ From the dealer invoice: Mopar 4 inch Stage 2 lift kit with Fox race shocks. Looks like that is all that was used, along with the 20" XD rims and Nitto 35" tires. I will be talking with them tomorrow. We have bought other vehicles there before and have a pretty good rapport, hopefully that will help solve this one way or another. I am also expecting to pay one way or another, either to add items to this jeep or to obtain another one. I will be mentioning many of the products or suggestions mentioned here, so thanks again!!
05-24-2013 06:08 PM
Dogzilla Stock wheels and tires...and you'll be fine.
05-24-2013 05:57 PM
kjeeper10 Kinda got buried In the other great post

For $99 you could easily install AEV front control arm brackets. These will flatten out your front arms and change the caster angle. The cheaper lift kits are not complete and leave out key components. Losing caster from lifting will cause flighty handling and overall poor drivability like you're describing.
05-24-2013 05:12 PM
85CJ Wow, thank you for all the detailed responses! I can tell that only scratched the surface of the knowledge here!

It does have the 3.73 gears as it has the max. tow package. I have the build sheet at home with the parts/kit they used and will post again later tonight with that info.

In the meantime, I put word into the dealership about my disappointment with the jeep and what options I have to include "trading" it back in.

Really feel worse after reading everyone's posts, what an apparently expensive mistake. But, it does look good. I'll try to put some pix on soon. Thanks!
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