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06-08-2013 06:03 PM
ThingsAbove Oh well, I ended up going with the TF carrier. The tire does rub the bumper without the spacer but it's not pressing against it hard enough to make it hard to shut the gate.

05-29-2013 10:42 PM
guppy To carry the weight I bought a kart wheel at harbor freight and bolted it to the step hitch. It rattled pretty bad before now it doesn't make a peep.
It is nice to sit the tire on there when you are trying to line up the lugs.
On my 13 I use the TF hinge.
05-29-2013 11:03 AM
guppy here is what i used for 33's
tried the daystars and they are soft foam....worthless tore just trying to put them on.
Called daystar and they took my address to send me new ones...well that was over a year ago and nothing ever showed up.
05-29-2013 10:47 AM
JTPhoto JK
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Originally Posted by ThingsAbove View Post
35's make a difference on the stock carrier over 33's. 33's will fit on the stock carrier without a spacer. That spacer puts a 35" tire 2 inches (or more) further out from the gate. That distance creates more leverage and multiplies the effective weight on the stock carrier.

That is the reason I'm asking about 35's. I think in general they are going to be harder on the gate than 33's.
You can fit the average 35 on the stock carrier with no extension if you have wheels with 4.5" BS. This allows the notch in the bumper to cradle the tire and actually carries some of the weight. Extended bumpstops on the tailgate also reduce vibration. However, a heavy, free hanging 35" with a aftermarket bumper that offers no support to the tire will destroy the tailgate in short order..

35" Tires that I know for a fact that don't require the adapter/extension and fit the stock carrier with stock bumper are;
315/70R17 Duratracs
315/75R16 Duratracs
315/70R17 Nitto Mudgrapplers
315/75R16 BFG KO

Tires that don't :
35x12.50x17 PitBull Rockers
35x12.50x20 Toyo M/T
05-29-2013 08:45 AM
ThingsAbove The Poll results so far show about 1 out of 4 gates are failing with 35's. 65% reported so far have not had an issue. Some of the posters have said 35's have been on the stock gate for 4 years with no problems.

I would guess that there is probably significant variability in the quality or strength of the factory spot welds on the JK gates. That variability may have more to do with people's success with carrying an oversize spare than the weight of the spare itself.

Just speculating but it seems reasonable why some work for years and some fail within a year.
05-29-2013 07:39 AM
ThingsAbove
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Originally Posted by Flint_Holbrook View Post
Check out the Best Top High Rock rear bumper/tire Carrier you will be very happy. I run it with a 35 falken on a polish american racing aluminum rim.
How much does the bumper/carrier weigh? Most of the bumper/carrier combos I've found weights for are between 120lbs-180lbs which would probably lose me .5" to .75" lift at the rear over a 40lb carrier like OR-FAB.

I watched a youtube video of one of those and the tire really bounced on the supporting arm. Seems as though all the flexing would work on the welds or cause the rear-facing bump stop to wear off paint on the gate. What has your experience been with bouncing over rough roads/terrain?
05-29-2013 06:05 AM
Flint_Holbrook
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Originally Posted by Jwc View Post
Which company makes a good swing out tire carrier

Check out the Best Top High Rock rear bumper/tire Carrier you will be very happy. I run it with a 35 falken on a polish american racing aluminum rim.
05-28-2013 10:38 PM
ToplessTN I ran a 315/70/17 Duratrac on a Moto Metal 951 for 14 months without issues, but nearly all of my driving is on-road.

I replaced the rear bumper with a Paramount bumper with tire carrier this past weekend. Not because of any worries about the tailgate, but because mod fever is setting in again with the warm weather.
05-28-2013 03:50 PM
RB-10rubicon My sister has an 08 with 35's been on there since a week after she bought it ..no problems .i have a 2010 with 33's and had problems about a month after i went bigger ..i was hearing a metal cluncking noise ..like the tailgate wasnt closed driveing around ..i went and bought the TF hinge carrier .and it fixed my problem ..i know it pricey but its well designed and it looks stock and it spreads the load across the whole tailgate .and you can run up to 37's on it.now my sister want to get the hinge carrier also because shes afraid its going to eventually happen to hers ..good luck
05-28-2013 03:14 PM
ThingsAbove
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Originally Posted by m25red View Post
Did you find a different bump stop that did work?
No. I only tried the Daystars. I looked at stuffing some heater hose in the existing bump stops but with that much of a span I don't think the compression offered by the heater hose as a bump-stop is very effective.

I simply have the spare sitting on an inverted hitch as shown in the post #12 above http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/tai...ml#post3798189

The spare "slides" over the inverted hitch rather snugly with a thin layer of wheel bearing grease on the bottom of the tire. The hitch is oriented toward the outside half of the spare so it's pressing it back toward the gate in it's current position.

Trying to get to items in the back of the Jeep without getting grease on you takes some concentration since that hitch sticks out and up.

The only advantage to my current setup is that once you hoist the 100lb spare up onto that hitch it's much easier to get it on the carrier because it's held up for you. Trying to lift and hold while I fit a 100lb spare on a 3-lug carrier with bump stops trying to push it off would probably result in a hernia for my aging body.
05-28-2013 02:30 PM
m25red
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Originally Posted by ThingsAbove

Without the spacer it hits the bumper. The wheel / tire combo is right at 100lbs.

Daystar bump stops just barely touch my tire with the spacer. I returned them.

Did you use a spacer? How heavy was your spare?
Did you find a different bump stop that did work?
05-28-2013 12:55 PM
ThingsAbove
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
With your back spacing it will physically fit on the back without spacers. And they are light wheels which is good. My suggestion is if you choose to run it on the back, only do it on road. When you go off road just undo the 3 lugs and put the spare tire in the trunk. Then all of the jarring you do off road won't affect the tailgate at all. Also don't run any kind of spare tire bike/cargo rack and make sure to have good bump stops. Those suggestions will increase chances of it staying safe. Idk how much your combo is but you should be fine for a while. No one can make definite answers on how long it will last- only speculations. But the above suggestions will help reduce strain and you should be good for a while
Without the spacer it hits the bumper. The wheel / tire combo is right at 100lbs.

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Originally Posted by m25red View Post
Any recommendation on the new bump stops? I've seen the ones from Daystar.
Daystar bump stops just barely touch my tire with the spacer. I returned them.

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Originally Posted by Disconnected View Post
Run 35in Dick Cepeks and just had to get myself a swing away carrier. After about a year of having the heavy bugger on the stock carrier it busted some welds while out on the trail. Nothing major but if I had kept it on it would of been another story.
Did you use a spacer? How heavy was your spare?
05-28-2013 12:32 PM
Riccochet I popped welds after 2 months carrying 35 MTR on 15" Level8 Tracker wheels using a Smittybuilt HD Tire Carrier. Once the welds popped the gate started to sag and and was problematic closing. I've since installed a new bumper with swing out tire carrier.
05-28-2013 11:24 AM
Lynskey The TF HD combo is great if you don't plan to get a bumper/carrier combo. At most I may get a new bumper in the future, but I don't want to have to open a carrier and then the tailgate in 2 different motions. I like the simplicity of the HD for that. Right now running 33" and at most 35" in the future.
05-28-2013 10:18 AM
Disconnected Run 35in Dick Cepeks and just had to get myself a swing away carrier. After about a year of having the heavy bugger on the stock carrier it busted some welds while out on the trail. Nothing major but if I had kept it on it would of been another story.
05-28-2013 08:12 AM
Dunkin_D
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Originally Posted by Lynskey View Post
I have the TF Hinge and tire carrier combo on mine. It will solve all of your issues if you don't want a new bumper/carrier combo. This thing is solid.
I have had my 35's for a few months now and right now using the smitty tire carrier. It def feels more solid than the regular tire carrier. But I am still worried about future damage.

Do you feel that will solve all your problems. The TF hinge is pricey and I feel just buying a whole new rear bumper/tire carrier would be the same amount if not a little more.
05-28-2013 08:09 AM
ThingsAbove
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Originally Posted by MudRunner View Post
^ Just to comment on the above. I run the or fab tire carrier and it does go out far enough for the tailgate stopper to catch. Hope this helps your decision. I love mine
The instructions from OR-FAB (with Rotopax option) say to remove the stopper because it can no longer be used. Maybe they were being overly cautious. It's good to know that it can still be used. That put's it back at my number one choice for a carrier.
05-28-2013 06:41 AM
Lusus_Naturae
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Originally Posted by m25red View Post
Any recommendation on the new bump stops? I've seen the ones from Daystar.
I went to Home Depot (Lowe's didn't have it) and bought 1 1/4 inch washing machine hose in the 'by the foot' section. I cut it in half, stuck each piece in the stock tailgate bump stop (it's a tight fit), and then cut it down until it was the right length for my 315. It is a lot easier if you have another person to hold the spare on while you make the adjustments.
05-28-2013 06:31 AM
Lynskey I have the TF Hinge and tire carrier combo on mine. It will solve all of your issues if you don't want a new bumper/carrier combo. This thing is solid.
05-28-2013 03:46 AM
MrSig Tailgate broke carrying a 35" spare after 1 year
05-27-2013 10:11 PM
jkjeeper06 http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/my-...ion-90308.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/hi...cs-148609.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/my...cs-157687.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f118/di...cs-165309.html

All of those are very helpful on DIY tailgate support, adding bumpstops and hitch mounted auxiliary supports for the tires. They are really great ideas. Most by joe002 and 07xman2door. Lots of pics
05-27-2013 09:58 PM
m25red
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Originally Posted by joe002
I think washboard roads are the hardest on the tailgate. If you have the bump stops so they’re pressing on the tire, and an added support on the bottom (I just installed a stock bump stop with extension on the bottom), and your spare tire and wheel is not one of the heavier models, you can run it for years - I have.
Do you have a pic of the extra support on the bottom?
05-27-2013 09:55 PM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by m25red View Post

Any recommendation on the new bump stops? I've seen the ones from Daystar.
Daystars are what most ppl go with. Above there was actually a suggestion to place another one at the bottom of the tailgate to prevent even more wiggling. If you reused one of your old ones and got it to fit in between the tailgate at the base that could prevent more wiggling. I've seen ppl get thick hosing or foam from lowes/home depot and stick it in the existing bump stops to extend them
05-27-2013 09:48 PM
m25red
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06

With your back spacing it will physically fit on the back without spacers. And they are light wheels which is good. My suggestion is if you choose to run it on the back, only do it on road. When you go off road just undo the 3 lugs and put the spare tire in the trunk. Then all of the jarring you do off road won't affect the tailgate at all. Also don't run any kind of spare tire bike/cargo rack and make sure to have good bump stops. Those suggestions will increase chances of it staying safe. Idk how much your combo is but you should be fine for a while. No one can make definite answers on how long it will last- only speculations. But the above suggestions will help reduce strain and you should be good for a while
Any recommendation on the new bump stops? I've seen the ones from Daystar.
05-27-2013 09:20 PM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by m25red View Post
I've got a Duratracs 315/70/17 on a Fuel Octane 17x9 with 4.5 back spacing. Can I run this on the stock carrier at least for awhile until funds are replenished for a full bumper/ carrier? Will I need some type if spacer? Shat else might I need.
Sorry, im sure this is posted somewhere but search function is not getting me anywhere.
With your back spacing it will physically fit on the back without spacers. And they are light wheels which is good. My suggestion is if you choose to run it on the back, only do it on road. When you go off road just undo the 3 lugs and put the spare tire in the trunk. Then all of the jarring you do off road won't affect the tailgate at all. Also don't run any kind of spare tire bike/cargo rack and make sure to have good bump stops. Those suggestions will increase chances of it staying safe. Idk how much your combo is but you should be fine for a while. No one can make definite answers on how long it will last- only speculations. But the above suggestions will help reduce strain and you should be good for a while
05-27-2013 09:11 PM
m25red I've got a Duratracs 315/70/17 on a Fuel Octane 17x9 with 4.5 back spacing. Can I run this on the stock carrier at least for awhile until funds are replenished for a full bumper/ carrier? Will I need some type if spacer? Shat else might I need.
Sorry, im sure this is posted somewhere but search function is not getting me anywhere.
05-27-2013 08:58 PM
Sinister6 One of the biggest things is keep everything TIGHT...a little bit of play makes a big difference and multiplies the forces pulling on the tailgate. I run a 35" on tailgate, I include tighting my spare with my regular maintinance schedule. My buddy has run a 37" with Beadlock on his 86 CJ for 10 years with no problem. I've been looking at the OR Fab too.
05-27-2013 08:44 PM
nocibur2 I think the Teraflex carrier is much cleaner looking than the others. I wonder if they'd(Teraflex) stand behind their product & warrant any failures to a tailgate when running 35's on their carrier. It would be worth asking! I think I will purchase the Teraflex when funds will allow.

... you'll regret putting off buying a good carrier if your tailgate does fail!
05-27-2013 08:43 PM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by ThingsAbove View Post
35's make a difference on the stock carrier over 33's. 33's will fit on the stock carrier without a spacer. That spacer puts a 35" tire 2 inches (or more) further out from the gate. That distance creates more leverage and multiplies the effective weight on the stock carrier.

That is the reason I'm asking about 35's. I think in general they are going to be harder on the gate than 33's.

Not really in all situaltions. If your going to 33X 12.5 you will more then likely be using a new wheel with correct backspacing. If you had them on stock wheels you would need spacer for either the 33X12.5 or 35's and weight still is the main factor. My 35's fit just fine on the stock carrier with no spacers on the same wheels I had 33's on but they have the backspace needed for 12.5" wide tires for 15's.
05-27-2013 08:31 PM
MudRunner ^ Just to comment on the above. I run the or fab tire carrier and it does go out far enough for the tailgate stopper to catch. Hope this helps your decision. I love mine
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