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06-03-2013 04:29 PM
Spyder1049 will do stuff is coming in , tomorrow most of it should be here , probably do the install on a saturday so if i need more time can finish it on a sunday
06-03-2013 02:44 PM
Reaper2332
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Originally Posted by Joe Dragon View Post

Sounds like the same set-up I am going to go with. Same 2.5" AEV lift, brackets, procal and 35" duratracs or BFG (tires still TBD), but I think I am going to save some money and keep my stock rims. Let us all know how it goes once you get some miles on it.
Make sure to get spacers for your rims if your doing 35 x 12.5 tires on your stock rims.

I have a 2.5" teraflex coil lift with 33 x 11.25" tires and I rub at full turn with no wheel spacers and stock rims.
06-03-2013 11:56 AM
Joe Dragon
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
after all the back and forth in my head i pulled the trigger. I went with the aev kit 2.5 , geo brackets , and the procal . Ordered should be here early next week woot .
I'm looking to get the pintlers in black 17inch and 315 duratracs , just need to confirm what size i need to buy , if any one has this combo and can reply I'd appreciate it looking to buy asap

Sounds like the same set-up I am going to go with. Same 2.5" AEV lift, brackets, procal and 35" duratracs or BFG (tires still TBD), but I think I am going to save some money and keep my stock rims. Let us all know how it goes once you get some miles on it.
05-30-2013 09:00 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
k figured it out with 4.5 backspacing its -12
Yeah, backspace and offset are two different words for the same thing, as best as I've ever understood.. Backspace is the word you're going to find mostly in the world of Jeep.

(Not exactly the same, they are different measurements, but they define the same basic thing only in different ways - If you're really interested in the definitions, google is your friend)
05-30-2013 06:52 PM
Spyder1049 k figured it out with 4.5 backspacing its -12
05-30-2013 06:49 PM
Spyder1049 another question if u may do i want 12 offset or 18
05-30-2013 06:23 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
im looking and duratrac doesnt make a 315 75 17 only a 16 for that , only other option is 315 70 17 i suppose , as long as the rim and tire are the right size that works for me

Wrangler DuraTrac Tires | Goodyear Tires

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The 70s will work just fine.. Enjoy!
05-30-2013 05:49 PM
flyinion
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
after all the back and forth in my head i pulled the trigger. I went with the aev kit 2.5 , geo brackets , and the procal . Ordered should be here early next week woot .
I'm looking to get the pintlers in black 17inch and 315 duratracs , just need to confirm what size i need to buy , if any one has this combo and can reply I'd appreciate it looking to buy asap
Congrats. I'm sure you'll do great with it. When I was looking, I was seriously looking at the AEV kit with the brackets. I ended up with the MC kit even though I'm not doing a lot off off-road & rock crawling now, but I was planning for the future when I might want to when it's paid off & the warranty is out. I saw my MC kit as a good base to start from for a DD and work up by adding parts. One thing I didn't like about the AEV kit is everything is designed for the 2.5" of lift. If I needed/wanted more down the road it all has to be replaced. With the MC kit I literally only have to replace the springs.
05-30-2013 05:44 PM
flyinion
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
315/75/17 is basically the 35 you are aiming for. It works out to like 35.5inch...70s will end up at about 34.3

Happy to assist.
That size doesn't exist (the 75's). Just going by one mfr. the Falken Wildpeak for example in 35x12.5x17 is listed on their site as being 34.5"
05-30-2013 05:44 PM
Spyder1049 im looking and duratrac doesnt make a 315 75 17 only a 16 for that , only other option is 315 70 17 i suppose , as long as the rim and tire are the right size that works for me

http://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/...31203114200000

http://www.aev-conversions.com/shop/...-beadlock.html
05-30-2013 05:16 PM
watusibison Mike - PM sent - Great information from everyone!
05-30-2013 05:11 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
O btw i appreciate everyones input , your all the best , love this forum , If you think i made the wrong decision or right one , i'll find out soon enough . Being that its my DD and i'm looking to be a weekend warrior , not a extreme rock krawler i ended up going with the aev . I did'nt want to sacrifice my on road ride ( possibly) and hate driving my 75 mile one way commute every day. If this kit doesnt suit my needs in the future for what i want to do in the jeep i will upgrade at that time ( hopefully it will) . I'm trying to say to myself that its a rubicon , i got some extra clearance with the kit and tires alone and i have alot to learn about offroading , i like to think about the jeep as a already capable offroad vehicle , im just making it better . I think of it as a lot of the jeep also comes from the driver , and i have a lot to learn .
Thanks again

315/75/17 is basically the 35 you are aiming for. It works out to like 35.5inch...70s will end up at about 34.3

Happy to assist.
05-30-2013 04:48 PM
Spyder1049 O btw i appreciate everyones input , your all the best , love this forum , If you think i made the wrong decision or right one , i'll find out soon enough . Being that its my DD and i'm looking to be a weekend warrior , not a extreme rock krawler i ended up going with the aev . I did'nt want to sacrifice my on road ride ( possibly) and hate driving my 75 mile one way commute every day. If this kit doesnt suit my needs in the future for what i want to do in the jeep i will upgrade at that time ( hopefully it will) . I'm trying to say to myself that its a rubicon , i got some extra clearance with the kit and tires alone and i have alot to learn about offroading , i like to think about the jeep as a already capable offroad vehicle , im just making it better . I think of it as a lot of the jeep also comes from the driver , and i have a lot to learn .
Thanks again
05-30-2013 04:37 PM
Spyder1049 after all the back and forth in my head i pulled the trigger. I went with the aev kit 2.5 , geo brackets , and the procal . Ordered should be here early next week woot .
I'm looking to get the pintlers in black 17inch and 315 duratracs , just need to confirm what size i need to buy , if any one has this combo and can reply I'd appreciate it looking to buy asap
05-30-2013 11:22 AM
Spyder1049 Mike what size duratrac do I need to fit the pintlers 315 70 17?
Sorry for the stupid question
05-30-2013 07:39 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Mike Gardner View Post
Thanks! I will let you know when I'm in the area. Next week is Michigan and Ohio. I'd like to say after that but I have a few events so who knows. Lol.

Your 100% right. There are many companies making great rock crawling kits. I've just never understood why someone would build a daily driver "rock crawler". It is like when I was into racing bicycles. I raced downhill and I had a downhill bike to ride DH. I would not have built a everyday bike to ride/race DH. I also had dirt jumping bikes, flat land bikes, XC bikes, Urban Assault bikes, and ramp bikes, but that's mostly because I'm obsessive lol.
haha Jeeps are a bit more expensive than bicycles. With I Jeep I think the smartest thing to do is get a lift that has a broader function and not specialized in one particular area, especially if its your daily driver that you plan on off roading on the weekends.

Let me know when your in the area please, I would really like to stop by and check out your set up.
05-30-2013 06:20 AM
Mike Gardner
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
I would love to meet up with you Mike and really take a close look at the AEV set up and go for a drive, if you have the time. Your explanation above was great. I don't think you'll find anyone in this thread that disputes AEV's engineering. On road its probably hands down the best option and I would love to check it out first hand.

AEV's great on road points hurt them offroad and there are companies like RK that do a better job in that regard and vice versa, what makes RK great off road hurts them on road. Then you have companies like MC that come in at the middle and covers both areas really well with a LCG (Low Center of Gravity) design philosophy. Similar to your conversations with Bill and Dennis, I think you should call up Matson. The guy is passionate about Jeeps and will have no problem spending time talking about what makes their kit unique.

Again, please let me know when your in Huntington and I will try my best to make it out there, thanks.
Thanks! I will let you know when I'm in the area. Next week is Michigan and Ohio. I'd like to say after that but I have a few events so who knows. Lol.

Your 100% right. There are many companies making great rock crawling kits. I've just never understood why someone would build a daily driver "rock crawler". It is like when I was into racing bicycles. I raced downhill and I had a downhill bike to ride DH. I would not have built a everyday bike to ride/race DH. I also had dirt jumping bikes, flat land bikes, XC bikes, Urban Assault bikes, and ramp bikes, but that's mostly because I'm obsessive lol.
05-30-2013 06:12 AM
Mike Gardner
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Originally Posted by Joe Dragon View Post
Soooo.... If someone had their mind set on AEV, do you recommend a 2.5" or 3.5"? Any major differences that someone should know of/about before making that decision? Assume original poster was asking (meaning 90% + daily driver) with 35" tires. I know both can accomodate 35's, but was wondering if I should save the extra money and just go with the 2.5".
Joe, if you do the 2.5 you're limited to 35 being the largest. I don't suggest you run a 37 on the 3.5 but I've seen it done.

The 3.5 and 2.5 are for most parts the same. You do need to invest the $100 for the geometry correction brackets for the 2.5. A 33 or 35 is very happy on the 2.5 lift. I love it on my wife's jeep running 33x9.50/r17 km2 on J8 wheels.

My JK350 on the left, my wife's JKU 2.5 on 33x9.5 KM2's & J8 wheels.

05-30-2013 06:07 AM
Mike Gardner If its looks you're after the AEV is very limited.this is the tech on AEV

The wheels made by AEV are designed to match Chrysler specs 100%. The wheel has a 5.25 offset which keeps the wheel/tire at a factory stance and the rubber (in a true 35x12.50) in the wheel well. This way our wheels pass all states safety inspections. This also will help to keep this tire from throwing a rock or dirt in the spotter or trail guides face, or through someone's windshield off road. It's not going to stop it from happening but it will reduce the chance.
The 5.25 offset also sets the tire/wheel at the closest to factory scrub rate possible. This is a measurement that comes from weight distribution via tire leverage on the "C's" as well as vehicle leverage over the tires/wheels.
AEV also builds the center of the wheel on the hub side to match the Chrysler hub perfectly. The problem with many after market wheels is that the hub in the wheel is larger then the hub on your jeep. This allows a force called Shear Load to be put onto the lugs and not the hub where it belongs. The studs are designed as a part that simply holds the wheel to the Jeep. They were not designed to support Shear Load. It's possible to break a stud by simple daily driving. It's also possible to totally lose a wheel on or off road due to the inability of the wheel stud to stand strong against the Shear Load.
There are lots of great wheels out there. I've sold many over the years before my time with AEV but even then I informed my customers of the design of the AEV wheel. Again, not trying to sell you on AEV. It's just the tech.
05-30-2013 05:14 AM
Spyder1049
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
Have you checked out the AEV or Rugged Ridge wheels like I had mentioned?
Yes I did thank you, the only one I would consider is the black pintlers, they are nice, 60 bucks more a wheel and not the look I was going for.
Am I going to notice that much of a difference with a AEV rim opposed to kmc? If so then I will reconsider my choices, also I'm almost committed to the metalcloak arb dual rated kit. I can't order it till I know my back spacing so I'm trying to get my wheels figured out.
Tia
05-29-2013 09:32 PM
kpickens11 Aev 2.5 dual sport with geometry correction brackets and 17" rr wheels with 295/70r17 trail grapplers ftw!!!

Handles and rides better than stock. Aev is all about stock feel with improved aftermarket parts. They really give you a rock crawler with stock on road characteristics... Only downfall is with the geometry correction your control arms sit down kinda low but if you aren't beating them up on rocks you should be fine.

I posted a good photo w. difference between stock and lifted.
05-29-2013 09:12 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
k if anyone can give me a little insight on rims and tires id appreciate the help before i call
XD798 17x9, 5x5.0 OS: -12mm BS: 4.53" - Mtt Blk
would that offset and back space work on a 315 70 17 duratrac
im not sure how to find out this info , if theres an easy way to check if someone could throw me a linky id appreciate it
Have you checked out the AEV or Rugged Ridge wheels like I had mentioned?
05-29-2013 07:52 PM
Spyder1049 k if anyone can give me a little insight on rims and tires id appreciate the help before i call
XD798 17x9, 5x5.0 OS: -12mm BS: 4.53" - Mtt Blk
would that offset and back space work on a 315 70 17 duratrac
im not sure how to find out this info , if theres an easy way to check if someone could throw me a linky id appreciate it
05-29-2013 01:09 PM
flyinion
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Originally Posted by Spyder1049 View Post
Matador , so could you suggest a kit thats around 1000-2000 that will give me a great on road ride while also allowing me to do some good off roading at rausch, to just beach running like im used to . I would love to have something upgradeable that if i need to add something i could . I look at it as I'm going to learn on the go and figure all this stuff out , but i need a good base to work with .
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
I would get the Metal Cloak ARB edition. It costs $1,599 and includes everything you'll need for mostly anything you'll come across on the beach or rausch. What I really like about the Metal Cloak kit that is unique and different from AEV and RK are the dual rate springs, dura flex joints on the front upper control arms and the OME nitro shocks. With the remaining $400 you could pick up lower front control arms to really dial everything in and possibly exhaust spacers depending on your final lift amount and drive shaft clearance.

JK Wrangler Dual-Rate Lift Kit, 2.5"/3.5", ARB Edition
Have to agree with Matador's recommendation. I put that lift on my Jeep 2 months ago and have been loving it since. I only get off-road maybe once a month. It handles great on road. Once I got it aligned and the caster set after the lift I've had no handling problems at all. I spent months looking at RK and AEV and then found out about MC and spent even more time looking and learning. One of the things I like about the MC kit is even though it makes install a pain, their springs are LONG. The kit comes with OME long travel shocks (whether a 2.5 or 3.5" kit) and there is still no way those springs are coming out at full droop.

edit: I should note that MC is also a local to me business so that was one of my deciding factors because it meant I was supporting a local business. Of course that came with other benefits like not having to pay shipping and being able to physically go over and talk to them and check stuff out.
05-29-2013 12:29 PM
LVCapo
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
The problem with running a 2.5"+ lift is that your changing the Jeeps geometry and need at the very least a front track bar and rear track bar bracket to get the Jeep somewhat centered. Even then your still dealing with axle adjustment that needs to be done with either correction brackets, as explained above, or adjustable control arms.

The fact is that when you get over 2" actual lift, there is a variety of changes that need to be addressed. I recommend that you check out this thread. It will help give you an outline if your working off a budget.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...ps-221119.html
I agree with track bars to get the axles centered....but I've run an OME 2"(that was closer to 3") and an RK 2.5" (that was 3") without control arms, and both were well within spec getting on alignment (as in needed no adjustment). Both drove and handled very well, no issues.
While I agree that changing the suspension changes the geometry, I think people are getting a little carried away, most of these kits are well engineered and professionally tested. Of course adding control arms and such will dial it in perfectly.....but more than a few people just use those kits "as is" without issue.
As to the shocks, the stock shocks will handle up to 2" of lift, anything more than that and they become the limiting factor...not a good thing
05-29-2013 11:49 AM
Joe Dragon Soooo.... If someone had their mind set on AEV, do you recommend a 2.5" or 3.5"? Any major differences that someone should know of/about before making that decision? Assume original poster was asking (meaning 90% + daily driver) with 35" tires. I know both can accomodate 35's, but was wondering if I should save the extra money and just go with the 2.5".
05-29-2013 10:05 AM
AOR ^^^ This. Plus if you want to run stock shocks, Teraflex has adapters for them. See here for front and here for rear!
05-29-2013 09:58 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by SnowboarderOx View Post
Like most people, I'm on a budget. Any problem getting one of these 2.5" lifts and running stock shocks for a few months?
The problem with running a 2.5"+ lift is that your changing the Jeeps geometry and need at the very least a front track bar and rear track bar bracket to get the Jeep somewhat centered. Even then your still dealing with axle adjustment that needs to be done with either correction brackets, as explained above, or adjustable control arms.

The fact is that when you get over 2" actual lift, there is a variety of changes that need to be addressed. I recommend that you check out this thread. It will help give you an outline if your working off a budget.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...ps-221119.html
05-29-2013 09:26 AM
SnowboarderOx Like most people, I'm on a budget. Any problem getting one of these 2.5" lifts and running stock shocks for a few months?
05-29-2013 07:55 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Mike Gardner View Post
Matador, and spyder1049 you guys are both in my area. I can meet you at Huntington Jeep if you'd like. It may be a few weeks but maybe 2 or 3 weeks from now I should make my way there. If you'd like to talk to someone there Bill in sales is a great guy to help with questions or a ride.
Matador, we do agree on almost everything. I just didn't want someone thinking that the AEV product couldn't do what a RK kit can. I've followed them as well as they have followed me. It's a great product and is just designed differently with a different focus.
I would love to meet up with you Mike and really take a close look at the AEV set up and go for a drive, if you have the time. Your explanation above was great. I don't think you'll find anyone in this thread that disputes AEV's engineering. On road its probably hands down the best option and I would love to check it out first hand.

AEV's great on road points hurt them offroad and there are companies like RK that do a better job in that regard and vice versa, what makes RK great off road hurts them on road. Then you have companies like MC that come in at the middle and covers both areas really well with a LCG (Low Center of Gravity) design philosophy. Similar to your conversations with Bill and Dennis, I think you should call up Matson. The guy is passionate about Jeeps and will have no problem spending time talking about what makes their kit unique.

Again, please let me know when your in Huntington and I will try my best to make it out there, thanks.
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