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06-10-2013 08:32 PM
Black TJ in progress Got this 97 for $2750...and it will never be for sale.just a once in a lifetime deal 173000 4.0 auto came with a brand new too uninstalled new wheels and street tires...the tires are all that's for sale lol 235/75/15 hankooks take $400 but yeah couldn't pass on the deal
06-10-2013 06:56 PM
LiquidDragon
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Originally Posted by BillyTheKid View Post
JeepSareUs.com page 3 about half way down on my computer. Code 5505537.

I emailed them and asked for a quote with shipping to my zip and got an email back saying that they frames for the 1997 - 2004 has been discontinued.
06-02-2013 10:00 PM
Rubi513 Yep and they are ugly without a lift too
06-02-2013 09:42 PM
flash1034 Don't forget there was an LJ Rubicon too.


Flash
06-02-2013 09:41 PM
Rubi513 The value on both will go down a lot before they ever go back up. I will have gone through several toys by then.
06-02-2013 09:29 PM
DBoat I went back and did it again.. You are right. The rubi came out 4-500 ahead... For now.
06-02-2013 09:14 PM
Rubi513 I didn't change a thing besides going from Rubicon to LJ. I would think that would be the only way to do it.
06-02-2013 06:34 PM
DBoat Did you add any options? Could be that. I only changed the tranny from manual to auto. Then chose a rubi. Then chose an LJ. No other changes.
06-02-2013 01:15 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by DBoat View Post
Just checked KBB using my year model, my options, my mileage, my zip code, and only changed the model from LJ to Rubi. The LJ was worth over $1000 more. Guess it depends on where you live and some other factors.
Hmmm. Well I have plugged in several different zip codes from Texas to New York. It still shows the Rubicon worth more.
06-02-2013 08:57 AM
DBoat
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Originally Posted by Rubi513 View Post

Jeep only made the Rubicon 1 year longer than the LJ. So there are not a bunch of those running around either. As of now the Rubicon is worth more than a non Rubicon LJ on Kelly blue book
Just checked KBB using my year model, my options, my mileage, my zip code, and only changed the model from LJ to Rubi. The LJ was worth over $1000 more. Guess it depends on where you live and some other factors.
06-02-2013 08:55 AM
wtbiv73 In Vermont, I just took out a loan against my'04, which was paid off. It still books for over $11000!!

incredible how well they hold their value!
06-02-2013 08:47 AM
DBoat There weren't any Rubis for sale in N Tx when I was looking and LJs were just as rare, except an Audi dealer took the one I bought in trade. Since the price of a similarly optioned JK was outta site. Also, there are those that want the inline 6 over the V6. As I said before, time will tell.
06-02-2013 12:13 AM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by DBoat View Post
It will be interesting to see on the prices, but due to the limited run of LJs, I think otherwise but likely to be close in price. I think the LJ will fair a bit better. Only time will tell
Jeep only made the Rubicon 1 year longer than the LJ. So there are not a bunch of those running around either. As of now the Rubicon is worth more than a non Rubicon LJ on Kelly blue book
06-01-2013 11:06 PM
Dusty Rhodes TJ prices are rising here in SW Mo, NW Ark, NW OKLA, and NW KS. Clean with somewhat low miles that is. YJ's are holding in the $6-9000 range if they are fairly stock and not trashed.
I rarely see JK's on the trails or OR Parks, and very rarely LJ's. There is a growing group of highly modified offroad vehicle drivers. High lifted, rear steer rigs that are very impressive in what they do.
We also have a large group of the side-by-side Razor? type rigs. Quite expensive and very trail capable because of their small footprint.
Two years ago I looked for an 06' Rubi for 14 months. I found one near Tulsa which is over 100 miles away. I still feel lucky I found it. Prices and availabilty are worse now. As I said, TJ prices are rising not dropping, around here anyway.
06-01-2013 09:24 PM
DBoat
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Originally Posted by Rubi513 View Post

Nobody said they hated them. Just thought they didn't look very good with no lift. As far as resale I think my Rubicon will hold its value better than a non Rubicon LJ.
It will be interesting to see on the prices, but due to the limited run of LJs, I think otherwise but likely to be close in price. I think the LJ will fair a bit better. Only time will tell
06-01-2013 11:05 AM
Capt_Zoom I doubt that TJ's will hold their value much better than the YJs did (until the TJ was released). I can see TJs bottoming out around 4k
05-31-2013 11:01 PM
doclouie
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That is debatable depending on where you live I think. Jeeps have always held good value out here in the west. We get sunburned not rusty.
Yep no rust out here compared to where I grew up in Michigan. I have never seen a Jeep fall under $5000 here and those are ones in really bad shape.
05-31-2013 10:35 PM
BillyTheKid
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Originally Posted by XDR View Post
Link? Don't see them listed.
JeepSareUs.com page 3 about half way down on my computer. Code 5505537.
05-31-2013 02:00 PM
Dare I love my 05 LJ and got lucky, found it in northern IL from a dealer who had it on the lot for a year and couldn't sell it. they put on a new soft top and hard doors and I picked it up for a good price with only 85000 on her. Now the great part, after looking at 20+ I was in the same boat here in north IN, everything is rusty. This jeep though spent its first years in HI and then TX, then the dealer bought it and it sat for a year. Not a spot of rust anywhere but I am still going drill a few pilot holes in her.
05-31-2013 01:48 PM
Jmchristmas74 That's only a problem in Yankee areas no snow no salt to eat frame I'm in fla so mine isn't that bad even playing in mud gotta rinse that stuff off best you can its called TLC if you play you gotta be able to wrench it yourself or spend big money$$$$$ on e you fix it coat it maybe that will help
05-31-2013 01:42 PM
flynhi4u Jeep TJ Frame from Jeepsareus.com $1799.00
1997-04 Jeep Wrangler Frame
05-31-2013 01:36 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by DBoat View Post
there is always a few LJ haters in every group, but I love mine, looks and all. I have a lift on mine but loved it from its stock beginnings. I like the TJ, YJ, CJ and JK too.. but I am betting my LJ will out perform all the others in resale as time goes on..
Nobody said they hated them. Just thought they didn't look very good with no lift. As far as resale I think my Rubicon will hold its value better than a non Rubicon LJ.
05-31-2013 01:29 PM
kyjeep Reframed mine last month because resale is so high around central Kentucky I couldn't bring myself to crush it. It seems like around here even a 97 has bottomed out around $7,500 as long as it's clean and has a 4.0 in it. You may get in an SE around $5,000 but that's as cheap as they get unless you want something that is just ragged out past the point of no return.
05-31-2013 01:16 PM
flynhi4u
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Originally Posted by skyhawkap View Post
Thanks for the info...couple of questions on that...



Should I still go big if my frame has no rust (not bragging just looked a very long time before finding the "right" one)




My concern was that they did not drill holes in the bottom but multiple 1/4" holes will not hurt?




Good point!!! How do I get to the lip to remove or can I just wallow it out by moving the bit around?

After I have drilled, what is the best thing to coat the nekked metal holes with to prevent them from rusting?

Thanks!!!
A 1/4" hole is the size I would go with even with a new frame. It is big enough to drain and even if it gets stopped up it is big enough to poke a screw driver or piece of wire up in it to get it opened up. A 1/4" hole in the bottom of the frame will not weaken it unless it is so badly rusted that area of frame u just drilled through is all that is holding it together. In that case you have bigger problems. Like most have said, they can't believe it came without drain holes from the factory. They put multiple large holes in the side of the frames that water, mud, and salt can get in but zero provisions for it to get out. Pure genius!!!!
AS far as removing the burr, they make a de burring tool that is designed to go inside hole and remove the burr. You hardware store should sell them for probably less than ten bucks. Let me see if I can find on online. General Tool 482 Swivel Head Deburring Tool with Metal Handle - Amazon.com
Just insert the blade end into the holes, put pressure to the outside of the hole and spin it around. They work very well.
As far as where to put them, just lay under your jeep and look at the frame and determine where the low spots are where would water go if the jeep is sitting level. Drill drain holes at those locations. Good luck and don't forget to wear safety glass when you drill.

Sam in IN
05-31-2013 01:04 PM
s14sh3r
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Originally Posted by DBoat View Post
there is always a few LJ haters in every group, but I love mine, looks and all. I have a lift on mine but loved it from its stock beginnings. I like the TJ, YJ, CJ and JK too.. but I am betting my LJ will out perform all the others in resale as time goes on..
Meh. I hated the Scrambler when they came out. I thought it was the silliest looking thing I'd ever seen. Now, I'd jump at the chance to have one. I like the LJ, personally, and wish I had one.
05-31-2013 12:18 PM
DBoat there is always a few LJ haters in every group, but I love mine, looks and all. I have a lift on mine but loved it from its stock beginnings. I like the TJ, YJ, CJ and JK too.. but I am betting my LJ will out perform all the others in resale as time goes on..
05-31-2013 12:11 PM
skyhawkap Sorry...didn't mean to steal the thread!
05-31-2013 12:07 PM
skyhawkap Thanks for the info...couple of questions on that...

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Originally Posted by flynhi4u View Post
Bigger is better when it comes to drain holes and here is why. Chances are there is already rust inside your frame. If you drill a small hole the rust flakes will probably stop up the drain holes as the flakes can become suspended in the water and float to the drain hole.
Should I still go big if my frame has no rust (not bragging just looked a very long time before finding the "right" one)


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Originally Posted by flynhi4u View Post
Mud never stops up drain holes LOL. I would go at least a 1/4" hole and drill several along the underside of your frame in the low areas. If you are concerned about drilling a couple 1/4" holes in your frame just look at the size of the holes the factory punched in it. .
My concern was that they did not drill holes in the bottom but multiple 1/4" holes will not hurt?


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Originally Posted by flynhi4u View Post
Sometimes you can create a lip up to an 1/8" tall when you drill through the metal and that lip will act like a dam and not let the water out below the level of the burred lip.
Sam in IN
Good point!!! How do I get to the lip to remove or can I just wallow it out by moving the bit around?

After I have drilled, what is the best thing to coat the nekked metal holes with to prevent them from rusting?

Thanks!!!
05-31-2013 10:43 AM
XDR
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Originally Posted by BillyTheKid View Post
JeepsAreUs.com has new complete frames for $1799.99 if any one is interested.
Link? Don't see them listed.
05-31-2013 10:08 AM
MarkGLHS good info thanx.
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