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10-17-2014 07:49 PM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by Khatton View Post
Got her all prettied up and tops off! My Jeep partner in crime riding shotgun.
Looking good!!!
10-17-2014 06:52 PM
Khatton Got her all prettied up and tops off! My Jeep partner in crime riding shotgun.
10-16-2014 02:30 PM
Jhmace9
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Originally Posted by Gator55 View Post
Russiaville, Indiana 2015 JK Unlimited Rubicon 3.5 Rock Krawler X-Factor Mid Arm 35" Nitto Trail Grapplers Mamba M13
You live right down the street from me.
10-16-2014 09:42 AM
thedawgshow Welcome Gator!!!
10-16-2014 06:46 AM
Gator55 Russiaville, Indiana

2015 JK Unlimited Rubicon
3.5 Rock Krawler X-Factor Mid Arm
35" Nitto Trail Grapplers
Mamba M13
10-15-2014 02:13 PM
thedawgshow That looks AWESOME!!! Congrats!!!
10-15-2014 11:58 AM
ed-de I traded my four door for this http://www.wranglerforum.com/attachm...entid=1565514&http://www.wranglerforum.com/attachm...1&d=1413392083
10-14-2014 08:26 AM
thedawgshow
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Woo woo woo i drive a two door
10-14-2014 12:24 AM
Cormizer
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Originally Posted by Scythian View Post

I was reading the conversation and went to your website up in Anderson, not a single Wrangler 2 Door in Inventory? To me the four doors aren't even Jeeps, they're soccer mom vehicles. I know Jeep is making a fortune off these and that's how the market works, but true off road Jeeps are 2 doors, and you can barely find one, heaven forbid some dealer have a 6 speed manual. The only way for most of us to buy a machine for real off roading is too order one.

So, since you've been so forthcoming suppose I order a brand new base Rubicon, no extras, shouldn't it be cheaper than buying it if you had it on the lot? There's no holding fee, nothing, just a straight pass through deal and a slam dunk for the dealer, get's his "sales" numbers up there with very little work. When a guy wants to order one there is no sales process, I know exactly what I want and you have it, you just have to put the order through, and I don't want to haggle. Things like TrueCar.com don't work in this case.
Woo woo woo i drive a two door
10-13-2014 09:16 AM
lovemachine
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Originally Posted by Scythian View Post
I was reading the conversation and went to your website up in Anderson, not a single Wrangler 2 Door in Inventory? To me the four doors aren't even Jeeps, they're soccer mom vehicles. I know Jeep is making a fortune off these and that's how the market works, but true off road Jeeps are 2 doors, and you can barely find one, heaven forbid some dealer have a 6 speed manual. The only way for most of us to buy a machine for real off roading is too order one.

So, since you've been so forthcoming suppose I order a brand new base Rubicon, no extras, shouldn't it be cheaper than buying it if you had it on the lot? There's no holding fee, nothing, just a straight pass through deal and a slam dunk for the dealer, get's his "sales" numbers up there with very little work. When a guy wants to order one there is no sales process, I know exactly what I want and you have it, you just have to put the order through, and I don't want to haggle. Things like TrueCar.com don't work in this case.
I agree that the four door keeps were originally for the soccer moms, I don't think that anymore. I actually LIKE the four door jeeps. I'd buy one if I wanted that extra payment.

I just can't afford one, because the one I want is the 3.6 Rubicon.
10-12-2014 10:45 AM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by Scythian View Post
I was reading the conversation and went to your website up in Anderson, not a single Wrangler 2 Door in Inventory? To me the four doors aren't even Jeeps, they're soccer mom vehicles. I know Jeep is making a fortune off these and that's how the market works, but true off road Jeeps are 2 doors, and you can barely find one, heaven forbid some dealer have a 6 speed manual. The only way for most of us to buy a machine for real off roading is too order one.

So, since you've been so forthcoming suppose I order a brand new base Rubicon, no extras, shouldn't it be cheaper than buying it if you had it on the lot? There's no holding fee, nothing, just a straight pass through deal and a slam dunk for the dealer, get's his "sales" numbers up there with very little work. When a guy wants to order one there is no sales process, I know exactly what I want and you have it, you just have to put the order through, and I don't want to haggle. Things like TrueCar.com don't work in this case.


Like you, I enjoy the 2 door. I also don't want or need power windows, power locks, leather, nav, or even a hi fi stereo. yet, finding base rubis are almost impossible because most of the world want their Wranglers fitted out like a BMW or something. They will never take their rig through a river crossing or such or take it places like I would. They are now the majority though, since so many are buying Wranglers and Jeep now sells more Wranglers than ever before in History.

I know that the unlimited can do some incredible wheeling as I have seen this first hand from a guy I went wheeling with that had a built JKU Sahara that out wheeled all us TJ's. Of course my TJ isn't as built yet as his rig. That being said, I still like my 2 door, but the dealer and manufacturer will try to put the vehicle the majority of the people will buy, on the lot. Just smart business. The odd ball like me is not who they intend to sell to.

As far as your question, and I can only speak in general terms as I work at the Honda dealer. So here goes.

Although few will believe this, the profit margin on new cars has been diminished so much thru smart shoppers and third parties like true car. The general public often thinks that the dealer still makes thousands even when third parties such as true car are used. This just isn't true. Soooooo.... the difference in price for ordering compared to just buying one off the lot just isn't much if any difference. In fact, the dealer would rather have you take one off the lot so he can quit paying interest on it, and have less chance of things damaging the vehicle while it sits on the lot.

This being said, the general public does not understand the difference of gross profit the dealer makes, compared to the net profit after paying the bills to have the car on the lot and marketing it. For instance, interest for each car paid to the bank to (floor plan) keep the cars on the lot. With over 450 new cars on our Honda lot multiplied by the interest rate and some cars being on the lot for over 200 days (maybe longer), this ads up. This is also a big risk the dealer takes to put the cars on the lot. For instance, when the world quit buying cars in 08, dealers were stuck with millions of dollars worth of inventory and the manufacturers had made their money because the dealers already purchased the cars from the manufacturers. Couple this with the fact of advertising. last year we figured up the cost of advertising per vehicle and came up with the fact that it cost the dealership somewhere around $350.00 per car sold, just to get you in the door. Combine all these costs to over head like property, office employees and more, it really adds up. Then comes lot damage. The longer the car sits on the lot, the better chance that damage can occur to the car. Little things like tree sap, or a very small scratch made by a customer walking through the cars and rubbing there belt or zipper from their coat across the car to big things like a young lot porter cutting a corner too tight and hitting another car. 2 cars damaged.

In conclusion, I would be glad to order you a vehicle to your specs, and of course the base model will cost a bit lees than a loaded version, but the "discount" will be comparable with what you would pay if you could find one on a lot. The big benefit would be that you would not be paying for something you don't want, and of course you would have the rig you want built to the specs you want.

I hope this helps in your understanding of it all. Feel free to ask me any question about the car business, and I will do my best to help.
10-12-2014 07:49 AM
jp2611
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Originally Posted by Scythian View Post
I was reading the conversation and went to your website up in Anderson, not a single Wrangler 2 Door in Inventory? To me the four doors aren't even Jeeps, they're soccer mom vehicles. I know Jeep is making a fortune off these and that's how the market works, but true off road Jeeps are 2 doors, and you can barely find one, heaven forbid some dealer have a 6 speed manual. The only way for most of us to buy a machine for real off roading is too order one.

So, since you've been so forthcoming suppose I order a brand new base Rubicon, no extras, shouldn't it be cheaper than buying it if you had it on the lot? There's no holding fee, nothing, just a straight pass through deal and a slam dunk for the dealer, get's his "sales" numbers up there with very little work. When a guy wants to order one there is no sales process, I know exactly what I want and you have it, you just have to put the order through, and I don't want to haggle. Things like TrueCar.com don't work in this case.
You must be in the wrong part of the State.....Jeep Jam 9 was held yesterday in Fort Wayne at a local Jeep dealer. It moved to 2 different off road venues. I saw first hand ( I was a trail guide/ spotter) that JKUs can be taken off road. And do very well. Obviously they do have some limitations, because of the length, as does a shorter wheelbase have limitations as well. (IMO it shouldn't be necessary to go through the different limitations of each vehicle because of wheel base.) If you have been out in the woods or on the trails, you have seen them......maybe you just haven't wheeled with them.

The JK and/or JKU share the same axles, motors and trannys. On the old TJs Jeepers MOD and move the axles out closer to either end, to make it LONGER so it is more stable.

Here are a couple links to what was going on......OBTW also saw a 2015 GRAND CHEROKEE WHEELING (WHITE in color) gonna be fun to clean that up!


odz jeep jam


Upcoming Events

Kessie Jeep Farm and ODZ also both have FB pages. Lots of information there...take a look.

I understand the frustration of not finding a (2dr) reminds me of when I couldn't find a Jeep for my wife that wasn't automatic, but that didn't make all the automatics "cars".
(IMO) There is less and less of a concern on Jeep and the dealers part to have "off road vehicles". And with the new "side by sides" and "Quads" I wonder sometimes the logic in building dedicated trail rigs...things that have to be hauled on trailers (see that trails/ trailers both start the same ) but capable all around vehicles, like JEEPS, are becoming fewer and fewer straight from the dealers. I can still remember when IH made the scout here in town, and Broncos and Blazers where always competing. How many of those are left? While we may not prefer the JK/ JKU for our off road adventures we don't have a lot of choice if we want a "new" vehicle.

For myself I "wheel" an old TJ...but I also know my JK or JKU would do just fine on the trail from what I have seen.

Next event at Kessie's is Nov.8th. I will be there wheeling and I know a couple of "BRAND NEW JKUs" will be as well, come see for your self!
10-12-2014 04:31 AM
Scythian
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Originally Posted by thedawgshow View Post
Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yes, it sure is. Unlike other dealers, we post a great price, right up front on our website.
I was reading the conversation and went to your website up in Anderson, not a single Wrangler 2 Door in Inventory? To me the four doors aren't even Jeeps, they're soccer mom vehicles. I know Jeep is making a fortune off these and that's how the market works, but true off road Jeeps are 2 doors, and you can barely find one, heaven forbid some dealer have a 6 speed manual. The only way for most of us to buy a machine for real off roading is too order one.

So, since you've been so forthcoming suppose I order a brand new base Rubicon, no extras, shouldn't it be cheaper than buying it if you had it on the lot? There's no holding fee, nothing, just a straight pass through deal and a slam dunk for the dealer, get's his "sales" numbers up there with very little work. When a guy wants to order one there is no sales process, I know exactly what I want and you have it, you just have to put the order through, and I don't want to haggle. Things like TrueCar.com don't work in this case.
10-09-2014 02:58 PM
Jeeper4life
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Originally Posted by thedawgshow View Post
Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yes, it sure is. Unlike other dealers, we post a great price, right up front on our website. Can you get a better price somewhere else, sure, but they won't post it up front and then we are back to those "games" people talk about. Great pricing, great service and great cars, trucks, and JEEPS!!!!
I might have to come see you guys! Random question, can one use multiple discounts? Don't know if you know the answer, just curious..
10-09-2014 02:43 PM
thedawgshow Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yes, it sure is. Unlike other dealers, we post a great price, right up front on our website. Can you get a better price somewhere else, sure, but they won't post it up front and then we are back to those "games" people talk about. Great pricing, great service and great cars, trucks, and JEEPS!!!!
10-09-2014 01:27 PM
Jeeper4life
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Originally Posted by thedawgshow View Post
Hahahahaha!!!!No, not in Pittsboro. Pittsboro is a small country town with one stop light, 1 bar and 5 churches. There is a small used lot here though. Our Honda dealership is in Indy, but our Jeep dealership is in Anderson. Even though they are in Anderson, I can still sell from there. Yes, the car business is something else for sure. Nothing else like it in America. What dealer are you working with? Like I said though, get your best deal and I will beat it!!! I can't. All my time is spent in Indy at our Honda dealership. However, you can go to Edmunds and KBB and see a general consensus of what that Jeep sells for.
Is it ed Martin? Looks like you guys have some nice prices on a couple 2015 sports. Got me thinking now! Lol
10-09-2014 01:18 PM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by bluedragon1308 View Post
I understand Dawg. I used to be part owner in two used car dealerships. I know it can be difficult for the salesman to make money, but I came in with a guaranteed 1% from my work. I knew I could get better elsewhere and told the salesman this and that I didn't want to play negotiations game. I already knew how much my trade-in should go for wholesale and they undercut that price by 30%. Their excuse was that they had to because I set the front with the deal from my work and they wouldn't make any money. I walked, they called me a day later and came up 20% on my trade. I told them that I wasn't going to be doing the negotiating game. The last three cars I bought were straight deals, no arguments, for cars on the lots. I would go back, but they can't get me my jeep. This sales group could have delt straight with me and earned my respect and return business. They chose and they got what they got.
I hope the dealership in Indy does better. They already showed me better treatment online with straight numbers up front, better than local. We will see this Saturday if they can close it.
You know, I commented earlier, and then went on reading other stuff on the forum, but your comment kept running in my mind.

Some things people say amaze me and yours are no different......

" I didn't want to play negotiation games" is a funny little phrase that I have heard over and over again. Just like you want the best deal on your new Jeep, they want the best deal on your trade. After all, they are buying it from you. You started the negotiation game, though, not them. Let's face it a cars value is what someone will pay for it and it fluctuates every day. If you owned a used car lot, you know this.

The other dealer can't get the Jeep? why not? Dealers trade all the time. I did 58 dealer trades last month. However, going from dealer to dealer and working on the deal makes this difficult, because the dealer that has the vehicle has the market "cornered on that vehicle and knows you are going to the other dealers trying to under cut his deal, so he does not want to give up the vehicle.

If the other dealer earned your trust and repeat business, why not just order the Jeep from them. This would be true loyalty and a great reward for treating you right before. However, you are going all over the place to every other dealer. Why?

Talk is cheap, and loyalty is a myth. I see it all the time. People talk the talk but rarely walk the walk. What is really sad, when it comes to retail sales, I do not believe there is a business out there that tries harder to earn your business than a car sales person. No where can you get the effort these guys and gals give, yet they are despised so much.

Something else that is sad, is that just like Wal-Mart and Lowes have closed all the local small business' out there, the stores like Penske and such are now so big, that the sales force are not true car guys any more and getting someone to help you on a busy Saturday is impossible. They run through sales associates like my boys run through shoes. The Big Box Store syndrome is hitting the Automotive market. All about putting up the mast amount of cars sold and not really taking care of the customer. It is the same everywhere though, including hospitals. A nurse used to be able to spend her whole career at one hospital or doctor, but now even they change every 5 years on average.

Being a true car guy that grew up farming and working on old hot rods, I understand gears, engines, transmissions and more. I can not tell you how many people will walk into a Ford dealership and buy a truck that does not fit their needs. Most truck owners out there don't even know what gear ratio they have in their trucks, but complain about how the engine doesn't have enough power to pull their trailer (3.07 gear), or on the other side, what horrible fuel mileage they get and never tow(4.10). They bought it because it was cheaper than the other F-150 crew cab XLT at the other dealership. This used to be a service I provided, if the customer was kind enough to open up enough about what they really needed.

I come from small town America where my dad worked in the local HWI Hardware store. Now these old guys knew their stuff and as soon as you walked in the front door, they said hi and worked on helping you get what you need. They knew what a 16 sinker was, and no it is not for fishing. They also knew what a French drain was, or that funny little u shaped gizmo that you didn't know the name of, but they did. I loved this type of lifestyle and miss it more every day.

Well, enough of me rambling on, and I do not mean any ill with my comments to you and hope that you still might come see me after you get your best deal. I just had to comment on the whole negotiating and loyalty thing and somehow kept on rambling. Hahahahahaha!!!!!
10-09-2014 12:29 PM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by Jeeper4life View Post
Rock on, is your jeep dealer located in pittsboro (sp?) I'm in Fort Wayne.. I think we are either going with a sport s or rubicon. None of the dealers around here order their rubi's with 4.10's.. Now that jeep had to change 4.10 gears as standard..
Hahahahaha!!!!No, not in Pittsboro. Pittsboro is a small country town with one stop light, 1 bar and 5 churches. There is a small used lot here though. Our Honda dealership is in Indy, but our Jeep dealership is in Anderson. Even though they are in Anderson, I can still sell from there.

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I understand Dawg. I used to be part owner in two used car dealerships. I know it can be difficult for the salesman to make money, but I came in with a guaranteed 1% from my work. I knew I could get better elsewhere and told the salesman this and that I didn't want to play negotiations game. I already knew how much my trade-in should go for wholesale and they undercut that price by 30%. Their excuse was that they had to because I set the front with the deal from my work and they wouldn't make any money. I walked, they called me a day later and came up 20% on my trade. I told them that I wasn't going to be doing the negotiating game. The last three cars I bought were straight deals, no arguments, for cars on the lots. I would go back, but they can't get me my jeep. This sales group could have delt straight with me and earned my respect and return business. They chose and they got what they got.
I hope the dealership in Indy does better. They already showed me better treatment online with straight numbers up front, better than local. We will see this Saturday if they can close it.
Yes, the car business is something else for sure. Nothing else like it in America. What dealer are you working with? Like I said though, get your best deal and I will beat it!!!

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I don't know if you can answer this but what do you typically see brand new rubi's with an auto and hard top go for. I'm not talking the hard rock version, just a kinda "base" model rubicon..
I can't. All my time is spent in Indy at our Honda dealership. However, you can go to Edmunds and KBB and see a general consensus of what that Jeep sells for.
10-09-2014 08:03 AM
Jeeper4life I don't know if you can answer this but what do you typically see brand new rubi's with an auto and hard top go for. I'm not talking the hard rock version, just a kinda "base" model rubicon..
10-09-2014 05:03 AM
bluedragon1308 I understand Dawg. I used to be part owner in two used car dealerships. I know it can be difficult for the salesman to make money, but I came in with a guaranteed 1% from my work. I knew I could get better elsewhere and told the salesman this and that I didn't want to play negotiations game. I already knew how much my trade-in should go for wholesale and they undercut that price by 30%. Their excuse was that they had to because I set the front with the deal from my work and they wouldn't make any money. I walked, they called me a day later and came up 20% on my trade. I told them that I wasn't going to be doing the negotiating game. The last three cars I bought were straight deals, no arguments, for cars on the lots. I would go back, but they can't get me my jeep. This sales group could have delt straight with me and earned my respect and return business. They chose and they got what they got.
I hope the dealership in Indy does better. They already showed me better treatment online with straight numbers up front, better than local. We will see this Saturday if they can close it.
10-08-2014 10:26 PM
Jeeper4life Rock on, is your jeep dealer located in pittsboro (sp?) I'm in Fort Wayne.. I think we are either going with a sport s or rubicon. None of the dealers around here order their rubi's with 4.10's.. Now that jeep had to change 4.10 gears as standard..
10-08-2014 09:56 PM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by bluedragon1308 View Post
I tried local and got 1% under invoice but they shot me low numbers for my trade.

I went online and sent a build list to several other dealerships and told them my story. Give me your best price, no bs and I would give the best deal my business. Got one to give me 2% under invoice. So now I have to see what they will do for my trade-in.

If I get the same bs I got local I will keep looking. After all, there are so many more dealerships, and somebody out there will do it right.

Thanks Dawg, I'll let you know.
Right on!!! Just let me know.

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Are you a jeep salesman? My wife and I are looking into getting a new jk...
No, I am actually an inventory manager at a Honda dealership, but we have a Jeep dealership also. I have been there 8 years now, and was in sales for 7 of them. I used to be with Ford dealerships years ago and all in all have spent about 15 to 18 years in the business. I used to sing for a living, but had to get a day job. I am getting old. I HATE day jobs!!!

I have to tell you, mentally, one of the toughest jobs I have ever had. Percentage wise, the least amount of profit margin in all of business, yet everyone thinks the dealership has a huge profit margin. I personally think it is crazy how so many people attack dealerships and sales folks, yet never talk about medicine, insurance, Lawyers, Wal-Mart, furniture, clothes, houses, and so much more. Heck, even lumber in the lumber yard works on keeping 21% profit margins. I have grown some thick skin over the years though, so it doesn't get to me too much, but every once in a while it sure does.

The really sad part is that with the profit margins coming down so much, the sales folks can't even make a living wage anymore, and the dealers keep taking more of what is there.

I had a nurse practitioner come in today looking at 30K Hondas and complained that they did not have enough goodies on them and wondered when Honda would get with the program. I looked her straight in the eye and said, I hope they never do. All the manufacturers keep adding stuff I don't need and raising the price, and the regular Joe like me can't afford to buy them. Kind of like todays Wranglers. I love my old TJ with no power windows and locks, no power seat, cloth and not leather, and so on. Heck, I have half doors, so I don't even have crank windows. It is a Wrangler though, and I am an old country boy and in my opinion Wranglers shouldn't ever have these things Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Oh well, enough of my "rant", I will still help anyone get the best deal on a Jeep, Honda, Acura, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Cadillac, Buick, Nissan, or anything else we sell, I think that is it, but I will not bid for your business, it does not pay enough for the trouble and work I would have to do, but if you do the leg work, I will beat your best deal!!!
10-08-2014 08:50 PM
Jeeper4life
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Originally Posted by thedawgshow View Post
Hey Dean, don't buy one until you talk with me. Go ahead and see what deal they give you and then let me know. I might be able to find you a better deal.

Are you a jeep salesman? My wife and I are looking into getting a new jk...
10-08-2014 08:40 PM
bluedragon1308 I tried local and got 1% under invoice but they shot me low numbers for my trade.

I went online and sent a build list to several other dealerships and told them my story. Give me your best price, no bs and I would give the best deal my business. Got one to give me 2% under invoice. So now I have to see what they will do for my trade-in.

If I get the same bs I got local I will keep looking. After all, there are so many more dealerships, and somebody out there will do it right.

Thanks Dawg, I'll let you know.
10-08-2014 07:41 PM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by bluedragon1308 View Post
Hey Nate
Name is Dean and I am in Lafayette.

Going to Indy this Saturday to see what they will give me for my trade-in.

Planning on ordering a bulk HR.
Hey Dean, don't buy one until you talk with me. Go ahead and see what deal they give you and then let me know. I might be able to find you a better deal.
10-08-2014 06:37 PM
Lee1207
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Originally Posted by bluedragon1308 View Post
Hey Nate
Name is Dean and I am in Lafayette.

Going to Indy this Saturday to see what they will give me for my trade-in.

Planning on ordering a bulk HR.
Yeah rub it in, I would love to get another Rubi
10-08-2014 06:15 PM
bluedragon1308 Hey Nate
Name is Dean and I am in Lafayette.

Going to Indy this Saturday to see what they will give me for my trade-in.

Planning on ordering a bulk HR.
10-08-2014 03:11 PM
2004indiana I cant believe there isn't anyone on here from the Lafayette area!
10-07-2014 08:02 AM
thedawgshow
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Originally Posted by 2004indiana View Post
Nate
2004 tj 5 speed
from Lafayette
Welcome Nate!!!
10-07-2014 06:46 AM
2004indiana Nate
2004 tj 5 speed
from Lafayette
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