|06-09-2013 05:37 AM|
|Shark_13||Everything in NJ is illegal lol.|
|06-08-2013 06:17 PM|
|JeepandMud||Here in Colorado you technically don't need it. I took mine off and haven't had any issues.|
|06-08-2013 06:08 PM|
|The Green Monster||That is a really good idea and can't believe I didn't think about it. If I ever have trouble without it, the hitch light is the way to go. I am already hitched and wired.|
|06-07-2013 05:21 PM|
|06-07-2013 02:54 PM|
|NC Bear||yea do the Metal Cloaks. W/O your fenders you are probably asking for grief from the inspectors|
|06-07-2013 01:29 PM|
|06-07-2013 01:21 PM|
you have to have the side markers, and on the TJ's they are blinkers so that is a double whammy.
as far as the fender thing, I dunno about that post pic's so I can see them. I'd go with what the inspector says though, they are gonna pass or fail you.
|06-07-2013 12:29 PM|
On TJs do we need the front side markers? Because my technical definition they are side markers and not turn signals. Curious because an inspector failed me a couple months ago because I had my front fenders off(no fender or fender flare laws for passenger vehicles) and said "these need to be secured in a fender." Even though, they were secured in the holes where the fender would attach.... First time having any problem with those geeks. Also my damn bank one sensor one O2 sensor keeps going bad, replaced four times and some how I still don't qualify for an emissions waiver. Literally everytime Id replace it, it'd go bad right before inspection. Thinking it might be the brand though, Bosch..
|06-07-2013 12:23 PM|
|06-07-2013 09:15 AM|
|Detrubicon||You can make the same argument for side mirrors since the newer jeeps they are attached to the doors so when the doors come off you have no mirrors but a rear view and the states there that you must have I've mirror with a clear rear view of the vehicle. So if insurance companies can make up their own rules then why would jeep build them that way. People will always try to find a way out of paying so just educate your self when you mod your jeep|
|06-07-2013 09:04 AM|
|06-07-2013 08:48 AM|
|The Green Monster||
Thanks everyone for the input. I am going to have a swing out tire carrier, and just dont want to go to the hassle of wiring it. I may change my mind once I get into, but I feel ok as of now without it on.
TJ Dave, my students think I drive a Prius!
|06-07-2013 07:46 AM|
If you are worried about it, and want to set a good example for your students , why not just make something to wire into the stock 3rd brakelight wiring?
That is what I did. When I went with an aftermarket tire carrier, I did not want to mess with the huge brakelight tower. I just popped a $5.00 led light into my spare tire center cap and was done. Or for those not even running a spare, you could mount a small led light on the tailgate and wire it in to the stock wiring. Lots of options.
|06-07-2013 04:59 AM|
I am a State Trooper in NC and the above poster nailed it. In NC General Statute states one must have one working taillight. NC Court also ruled that a burned out brake light is not enough for a vehicle stop. However, a burned out tail light or license plate marker is grounds for a vehicle stop.
OP, I also removed my 3rd brake light above my spare. I will replace it, as soon as I find the one I want.
|06-07-2013 02:08 AM|
its less of a long shot than you might think. its something insurance agents are trained to look for. when i was t-boned by a tractor in one of my VWs my insurance pay out was double because of the fact he has no blinkers which is a requirement if being used on the road.
its more common than you might think. say for example you change you steering wheel (popular in cars) to something without an airbag and you get hit by someone and messed up because of it, they wont cover anything that happened to you because of having no airbag
|06-07-2013 01:46 AM|
|06-07-2013 12:19 AM|
|wmwhitey||Just do what I did moved the tag to the center and took two motorcycle tag lights that have red lights on them also and good to go. the tag lights i found on amazon are also the tag bolts that hold the tag on.|
|06-07-2013 12:09 AM|
|PhoenixJK13||I'm a cop in NC and as long as you have ONE working brake light you are fine...I think the insurance thing is all you would have to worry about, if anything-|
|06-06-2013 10:44 PM|
|The Green Monster||Well I am a 37 yr old school teacher, so I don't have any dealings with the Law. I live in rural country and rarely go more than 3-4 over. I think I will risk it.|
|06-06-2013 10:11 PM|
|Gunslinger26||Just take it off if you don't want it on. If a cop wants to pull you over, trust and know that he/she will find a reason to stop you.. Trust me on this. Stay out of "the hood" and don't drive like an ass in front of a police car. That's when you get stopped and written a POP ticket. (Pissed Off the Police). In the event you do get stopped always remember to be polite, because attitude usually goes a long way... Besides, what cop would want to pull someone over that's driving a jeep anyway? If you drive a jeep you're already cool and awesome by default!|
|06-06-2013 09:39 PM|
Not having a 3rd brake light is not legal but it is also something you can probably not expect to get a ticket for unless:
|06-06-2013 09:17 PM|
|PrecisionPowder||i wouldnt worry so much about it being legal or not, id worry about insurance implications. if you remove a safety device you can be held liable. whether you are at fault or not. so you are rear ended by someone and you removed your 3rd brake light, it becomes your fault for being a safety device. insurance companies low to not cover things if they find our something in a safety aspect was removed. they can choose not to cover it because you broke terms and conditions|
|06-06-2013 07:53 PM|
|06-06-2013 07:52 PM|
|The Green Monster||I found another thread on a local forum. It's seems to be ok in NC as long as it is not broken. Consensus seems to be absent ok, broken no good. This is here in NC.|
|06-06-2013 07:34 PM|
|Walkingstick||^True but how many people honestly know that? Other than.... Gasp..... A lawyer? 👨🔫|
|06-06-2013 07:21 PM|
|RoadiJeff||All cars, SUVs, whatever that were manufactured after 01/01/1996 and sold in the U.S. were required to have a third BRAKE (not "break") light as original equipment. Since that is part of the original factory safety equipment you could probably get in trouble if it was removed. However, as has already been posted, the law is not always enforced.|
|06-06-2013 07:19 PM|
|Walkingstick||However you do need the front fenders for inspection because of the gay side markers. -_-|
|06-06-2013 07:16 PM|
|06-06-2013 07:13 PM|
NC Statute 20-129, part (g):
"No person shall sell or operate on the highways of the State any motor vehicle, motorcycle or motor‑driven cycle, manufactured after December 31, 1955, unless it shall be equipped with a stop lamp on the rear of the vehicle. The stop lamp shall display a red or amber light visible from a distance of not less than 100 feet to the rear in normal sunlight, and shall be actuated upon application of the service (foot) brake. The stop lamp may be incorporated into a unit with one or more other rear lamps."
Which says you do not have to have it and can remove it yourself, however part (d) of the same statute states:
"Rear Lamps. Every motor vehicle, and every trailer or semitrailer attached to a motor vehicle and every vehicle which is being drawn at the end of a combination of vehicles, shall have all originally equipped rear lamps or the equivalent in good working order, which lamps shall exhibit a red light plainly visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of 500 feet to the rear of such vehicle..."
With special emphasis on "...shall have all originally equipped rear lamps or the equivalent in good working order...", which says you have to technically have it... or rather that you can't remove it. I do not THINK you'd be stopped for it, certainly not in a YJ or CJ, but maybe by a cop in a TJ if he was snooping and pretty sharp. I'd probably stop ya, were I a cop, in a JK without one.
What a non answer, lol. Best I can do.
|06-06-2013 05:51 PM|
|MarkNog||I know NJ law is that you need a 3rd break light cause I've thought about removing mine. I'd look into it before takin out the tools.|
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