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12-18-2006 06:40 PM
KA5IVR
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Originally Posted by kg4kpg View Post
You said it. If there is so much in-fighting more people might turn away rather than join a bunch of people complaining about their hobby. Heck, why would I buy a jeep if all this forum did was complain about them.
You are right, the local Ham club in my town spends most of their time complaining and in-fighting. I know a lot of Hams, including myself, who don't belong because of it. I went to one of their Hamfest and they had a death guy doing the Talk-In and a blind guy collecting the Money at the door.

I can't think of any of the Jeep Club members who complain. Maybe they make fun of the XJ owners, but no complaining.
12-18-2006 11:52 AM
Geeps You guys got me feeling old now.........
12-18-2006 10:11 AM
amerijeep Yeah, I'm 36 and there are very few younger than me. My dad had been licensed for something like 45 years. Much longer than my going on 9 years.
12-18-2006 07:45 AM
kg4kpg
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Originally Posted by KA5IVR View Post
Old Fart? Sounds like you are only a couple of years older than me. I got my Novice in 79 and kept my original call as well.

Oh No! Does that mean I'm a Old Fart too?
You said it.

Heck, at 40 I'm young compared to 90% of the rest of our local ham club. Oldest ham I even knew was 90 and has been a ham for 70 years, compared to my lowly 6 years.
I don't think this whole thig will have a negative impact, other than get more Tech on HF. I don't think it will cause more new testing for Tech than it already does. If there is so much in-fighting more people might turn away rather than join a bunch of people complaining about their hobby. Heck, why would I buy a jeep if all this forum did was complain about them.
12-18-2006 12:36 AM
KA5IVR
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Originally Posted by Griz View Post
That was back in high school in the early 70's. Yea Yea I'm an OLD FART!!
Old Fart? Sounds like you are only a couple of years older than me. I got my Novice in 79 and kept my original call as well.

Oh No! Does that mean I'm a Old Fart too?
12-17-2006 05:26 PM
Geeps I doubt anything will change. If people had interest before they would have taken the Tech. test already. Plus factor in the cost of the radios. A $50.00 CB is much more appealing to most.
12-17-2006 03:00 PM
amerijeep Hey IVR. I was pretty sure you were mocking the old farts. Though, there is a valid point in the statements. I don't think there will be any long term repercussions(sp?) that we should be concerned about.

Time will tell, but something had to be done. I'm hoping it will build strength in amateur radio.
12-17-2006 12:01 PM
Griz CW does have its place. When my best friend was stationed in Guam we would try makeing contact every week. About 40% of the time we had to use CW because the voice trans. was too weak to copy. AS far as letting some one know how long you have been a Ham, Thats why I kept my old call sign when I move to Colorado from Florida. I started out as N4GWA (tech with code lic)in 1981 and upgraded to Advanced class in 83 or 84. I did start out as a CB operator in the good old days before the CB craze. That was back in high school in the early 70's. Yea Yea I'm an OLD FART!!
12-17-2006 03:15 AM
Scoob Wonder if this means you will be hearing roger beeps and echo boxes on HF?

12-16-2006 04:49 PM
Nuthin I think the FISTS folks will eventually settle down... once they see no one is moving to crowd them totally off the bands and that some of the new folks are actually interested in code.

Time will tell, like with most things.
12-16-2006 04:33 PM
KA5IVR
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Originally Posted by amerijeep View Post
I'd hang on to that Advanced license. Everyone would know that you are old school.

Oh and KA5IVR, I almost feel like you do, but I'm not quite there. I think it is time to let it go. I don't think the amateur radio service will suffer at all. I DO feel like this is an end to an era. It saddens me some, because it came to this. However, it is likely for the best.

I do feel that the amateur radio community should have more say in testing requirements. I don't think it should be left entirely up to the FCC. However, the ARRL wouldn't be my first choice, hahaa.
Actually, I was half Joking and Mocking all of the Old Fart Hams.

I do think they should have kept the code requirement for the Extra. I know Canada, England, and some of the other countries have drop their code requirement and I'm sure that influenced the FCC some. I'm sure the Radio Manufacturers lobbied for it too.

I don't think Amateur Radio will become like CB. The written tests are tough enough to keep the "Good Buddies" on channel 19. Even the guys who did come up from the CB ranks made good Hams because they wanted more than what CB had to offer. This will open the Digital Modes up to a lot of guys who will enjoy that in lieu of CW.

If you guys are going to run out and take your test, go ahead and do it. You don't have to wait 30 days. You will still have to pass the written Tech and the General to get on HF. By the time your Ticket comes you will be ready to get on the air!

How many of you guys are even interested in HF? Most hams start off with VHF/UHF for awhile anyway.
12-16-2006 04:01 PM
JeepCrawler98 I think this is good news IMO.

Ham bands will not end up as the CB band, because VHF bands on up are also not CB bands and no longer have the requirement, and for the very most part (except maybe like .01% of hams) is well policed and has good enough operating practices (though not perfect). Sure a few more problems might arise - but I think this will add enjoyment to ham radio for a lot of people and will make life easy for people who will love and cherish the HF bands just as well. I know a lot of people who are real interested in HF usage, but never felt the calling to learn CW; mostly Jeepers and outdoorsmen I might add who want it for its utility as well as pastime enjoyment out on the trail or at camp - this will make their day.

Perhaps the might take this opportunity to make the tests technically a bit harder if it causes a problem, but I feel this is a step in the right direction in bringing ham radio back into the 21st century more. A general and extra ham still has to know the requirements and procedures for operating on HF bands, and a technician still needs to know his basic intro to the subject - removing the code doesn't dumb down hams and make them less capable at operatin on HF bands, it just removes a practice in the form of radio, which is still retained by tradition I'm sure.
12-16-2006 03:41 PM
amerijeep I'd hang on to that Advanced license. Everyone would know that you are old school.

Oh and KA5IVR, I almost feel like you do, but I'm not quite there. I think it is time to let it go. I don't think the amateur radio service will suffer at all. I DO feel like this is an end to an era. It saddens me some, because it came to this. However, it is likely for the best.

I do feel that the amateur radio community should have more say in testing requirements. I don't think it should be left entirely up to the FCC. However, the ARRL wouldn't be my first choice, hahaa.
12-16-2006 03:34 PM
KA5IVR
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Originally Posted by Griz View Post
I didn't know there were only 3 license classes. I currently have an Advanced class license that expires in 2011. I passed the 13 word a minute code for general and the written Advanced class. I should have taken the 20 wpm for Extra class. I kept wanting the 13 wpm to go faster. Of course I have hardly ever used the code since then. So my question is if they are doing away with Advanced class what will my license be and what are my operating privileges. It would suck if I am bumped back down to General Class with loss of freq. KK4LW/0
Your Advanced Class is still good and you can renew it, but you will now only have the same frequency privileges as a General. You will have to go take the Extra written to upgrade and have some extra band segments on 80/40/20/15. If you don't care about that little bit of Extra privilege, just keep your Advanced and be part of a unique group. Literally a dying breed!
12-16-2006 03:29 PM
trolloc This is good news. I got my Technician ticket 3+ years ago after I bought an old Kenwood 440. I also bought an HT but havent used it much.

It seems my interest has always been in HF but I just havent had the time to study CW.

Now Ill be able to get the Hamshack going again and start transmitting.

Excellent!!

Dave
K6DSR
12-16-2006 03:10 PM
KA5IVR
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Originally Posted by Geeps View Post
FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES, ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS
This SUCKS!

I firmly believe the FCC should have kept the Code Requirement for the Extra Class. Ham Radio will end up just like CB in a couple of years. I had to learn and pass the code test and all of you should too!

The good thing about this is, now all of you "Chicken Band" supporters can go take a simple little test and buy a Real Radio for your Jeep!

No Excuses now!
12-16-2006 01:34 PM
Griz I didn't know there were only 3 license classes. I currently have an Advanced class license that expires in 2011. I passed the 13 word a minute code for general and the written Advanced class. I should have taken the 20 wpm for Extra class. I kept wanting the 13 wpm to go faster. Of course I have hardly ever used the code since then. So my question is if they are doing away with Advanced class what will my license be and what are my operating privliges. It would suck if I am bumped back down to General Class with loss of freq. KK4LW/0
12-16-2006 11:04 AM
amerijeep Bwahhaaahaaa! I just popped over to QRZ. They are going nuts over there. I didn't stick around, but I did count like 40 threads on it already.

I honestly am sorry for those who will never get the chance to get the code endorsement, but I don't think the code requirement was good for ham radio.
12-16-2006 11:02 AM
Geeps Yeah, I passed the written test last month for my General and started working on the CW part. Guess I won't need to worry about it now.
12-16-2006 10:57 AM
kg4kpg
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Originally Posted by amerijeep View Post
The world is coming to an end!! Ha ha! I might have to go visit QRZ to see how heads are rolling over there. I only got my code done this year. I'm glad I did it. I think I would have done it anyway, even if I knew it would be gone soon.

I need to start studying for Extra, but I wanted wear general for a couple years first. No where to go after the next step. I guess I could be VEC or something.

Almost forgot about QRZ. I'll bet the ARRL and eham.net sites are going nuts too.

Here is the QRZ thread:
http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=140548
12-16-2006 10:47 AM
tjchad This is welcome news. I got my Technician about a year ago and was left a lot of equipment when my uncle died. It's all HF equipment that Icould do nothing with but listen. Now I can start using it when I pass General. I'll still work on code though because that was my uncles passion and it just wouldn't feel right not honoring him in that way.

Thanks for the info.

Chad
12-16-2006 10:35 AM
amerijeep The world is coming to an end!! Ha ha! I might have to go visit QRZ to see how heads are rolling over there. I only got my code done this year. I'm glad I did it. I think I would have done it anyway, even if I knew it would be gone soon.

I need to start studying for Extra, but I wanted wear general for a couple years first. No where to go after the next step. I guess I could be VEC or something.
12-16-2006 08:41 AM
kg4kpg I got my KG in 2000. I've tried to get younger people interested but my daughter just has no interest in electronic stuff, other than her mp3 and cell phone. When I was living in Dallas I heard a lot of kids on the radio. Here in Charleston it is mostly older folks. When I tested I was in Valdosta, GA and they have a mix of all ages though mostly older.
I think I will have to look at the 8900 as well, seems like a really nice rig.
12-16-2006 08:08 AM
whiteyj Couldn't agree more. There is a place for CW and those that enjoy it should have their places to practice it.

Amateur radio needed to do something as the numbers are dwindling. I was licensed in 92 with a KD prefix, a buddy was licensed in 1996 with KF. We are now in KI some ten years later.

Glad to see them open up HF to us. That 8900 is going to be a popular radio!
12-16-2006 07:21 AM
kg4kpg Although I have no problem with people wanting to use CW and and glad this happened because I would never have used it other than to pass the test. I doubt CW will dissappear and would like to see it as an endorsement on the licence. I'm sure a lot of the older hams will think it is the end of the world but I don't think it will cause an influx of people taking ham exams. I think most response will come from already licenced Tech who either were afraid to take it or just didn't want to as they figured they would never use it. I admit, I didn't want to take it but would have learned when I was ready to upgrade. I don't like so I know I would never have used it. I'm glad this finally happened.
Chris
12-16-2006 12:24 AM
whiteyj This is huge. 30 days and counting.........
12-15-2006 11:30 PM
Geeps
News from the FCC regarding ham licenses

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWS MEDIA CONTACT:
December 15, 2006 Chelsea Fallon: (202) 418-7991

FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES,
ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS AND
ADDRESSING ARRL PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION

Washington, D.C. – Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) adopted a Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration (Order) that modifies the rules for the Amateur Radio Service by revising the examination requirements for obtaining a General Class or Amateur Extra Class amateur radio operator license and revising the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees. In addition, the Order resolves a petition filed by the American Radio Relay League, Inc. (ARRL) for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order on amateur service rules released on October 10, 2006.

The current amateur service operator license structure contains three classes of amateur radio operator licenses: Technician Class, General Class, and Amateur Extra Class. General Class and Amateur Extra Class licensees are permitted to operate in Amateur bands below 30 MHz, while the introductory Technician Class licensees are only permitted to operate in bands above 30 MHz. Prior to today’s action, the FCC, in accordance with international radio regulations, required applicants for General Class and Amateur Extra Class operator licenses to pass a five words-per-minute Morse code examination. Today’s Order eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra licensees. This change reflects revisions to international radio regulations made at the International Telecommunication Union’s 2003 World Radio Conference (WRC-03), which authorized each country to determine whether to require that individuals demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for an amateur radio license with transmitting privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz. This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current amateur radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of amateur radio.

Today’s Order also revises the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees by eliminating a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician Class and Technician Plus Class licensees. Technician Class licensees are authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz. The Technician Plus Class license, which is an operator license class that existed prior the FCC’s simplification of the amateur license structure in 1999 and was grandfathered after that time, authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz, as well as frequency segments in four HF bands (below 30 MHz) after the successful completion of a Morse code examination. With today’s elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees should not be retained. Therefore, the FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges.

Finally, today’s Order resolved a petition filed by the ARRL for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order released on October 10, 2006 (FCC 06-149). In this Order, the FCC authorized amateur stations to transmit voice communications on additional frequencies in certain amateur service bands, including the 75 meter (m) band, which is authorized only for certain wideband voice and image communications. The ARRL argued that the 75 m band should not have been expanded below 3635 kHz, in order to protect automatically controlled digital stations operating in the 3620-3635 kHz portion of the 80 m band. The FCC concluded that these stations can be protected by providing alternate spectrum in the 3585-3600 kHz frequency segment.

Action by the Commission on December 15, 2006, by Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration. Chairman Martin and Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate, and McDowell.

For additional information, contact William Cross at (202) 418-0691 or William.Cross@fcc.gov.

WT Docket Nos. 04-140 and 05-235.

– FCC –

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