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04-22-2014 01:20 PM
Bullethead Perhaps they brought him back just to close out season 3?
04-22-2014 11:54 AM
Bullethead I heard about how that scene occurred in the book and I don't think I'm spoiling anything by saying this but from what I heard that scene is supposed to be the 1st time Cersei see's Jamie return from the war correct?

That would make it more of a passion incestual scene than what we saw. I agree that probably would have been better. Even for television. I am trying to think about what we saw when Jamie got back to the city that was so important that he had to be back prior to Joffery's death.

Got his Hand, Got a Valyrian Sword, Tyrion and Jamie bonded once again, Jamie trains with Bronn, and Jamie threatens Sir Lorras ... The only thing that I can see the show runners wanting to do first is reinforce the Tyrion and Jamie love but he can do that when he visits him in the dungeon.

Still a good episode imo, but yes that scene sounded better in the books.
04-22-2014 09:36 AM
hbgirl
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Definitely looked like rape... I was rather surprised to see that, but G.O.T pulls no punches.
It did, that's why it was so upsetting; definitely not how it happened in the book. Some changes I totally understand, but this one, not at all. Didn't do anything for the storyline at all, except make you want to hate Jaime again.

Haha, sorry all ... I just realized that I'm too "protective" of keeping to the storyline as it happens in the books, which isn't what this thread is about. I need to let go of the book thing, and just take the show as a stand-alone, by itself story. I'm still wishing I hadn't read the books first ...

Sorry!
04-22-2014 09:26 AM
st1264 Definitely looked like rape... I was rather surprised to see that, but G.O.T pulls no punches.
04-22-2014 08:49 AM
hbgirl
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It did, I was not even aware the end of the hour was close. I was just absorbing everything so much. So Petre (Peter?) now has the ability to 'make a Stark'. I am going to assume (probably wrongly) that he also has an army, the Vale. Are we looking at the makings of the new "North"?

I am a little upset however that Stanis is again worried about the throne. When we last left him, the Red Priestess told him something to the effect of "This battle for the throne is meaningless, the real war lies to the north, beyond the wall". How quick we forget priorities eh?

Petyr Like I said before, he has his hands in all the cookie jars.

Re: Stanis ... generally speaking, I'd think it would be extremely difficult to just "let it go." The greed flows through all of Westeros with the air they breathe.

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Brother and Sister banging each other next to the corpse of their dead son, nice. I was hoping the show was better than that. They seemed to figure out after season one that the story held it's own without all the shock and awe sex scenes. The scene doesn't add anything to the story. Just another, let's shock the viewers moment. After reading the books I wouldn't be surprised if the author is caught someday burying bodies in his basement.
In all fairness, GRRM has never said that his books weren't very adult. It's fantasy. The show is trying to make it PG-13'ish while still trying to keep some essence of the books, and it will fail. As someone who read the books, this particular scene has me upset for different reasons, and the scene itself in the book is important: Jaime in no way is the bad guy in this situation (in the book) and it's part of the process of him redeeming himself; overtime you slowly become to like him, and they've incorporated some of that growth in the show. However, the show completely botched this particular part and turned it around and made him look like a rapist. Very poor decision on the showrunners' part.
04-22-2014 08:45 AM
Kthulhu Brother and Sister banging each other next to the corpse of their dead son, nice. I was hoping the show was better than that. They seemed to figure out after season one that the story held it's own without all the shock and awe sex scenes. The scene doesn't add anything to the story. Just another, let's shock the viewers moment. After reading the books I wouldn't be surprised if the author is caught someday burying bodies in his basement.
04-22-2014 04:52 AM
Bullethead It did, I was not even aware the end of the hour was close. I was just absorbing everything so much. So Petre (Peter?) now has the ability to 'make a Stark'. I am going to assume (probably wrongly) that he also has an army, the Vale. Are we looking at the makings of the new "North"?

I am a little upset however that Stanis is again worried about the throne. When we last left him, the Red Priestess told him something to the effect of "This battle for the throne is meaningless, the real war lies to the north, beyond the wall". How quick we forget priorities eh?
04-21-2014 10:03 AM
st1264 That hour flew by last night... great show.
04-21-2014 08:56 AM
hbgirl Haha, yeah ... and things always move slower in books.
04-21-2014 07:05 AM
Bullethead Oh Petre Baelish. You sly devil you!

My lady friend is a bit upset that they revealed the puppet master so soon. I must admit, even I would have been ok if they waited a few episodes to reveal it. But there must be a reason they did this. Probably to keep Sansa in the show rather than have her disappear for 3 or 4 weeks.
04-16-2014 10:14 AM
Bullethead Oh no I'm just speaking as if all of us are non-book readers. Thank you for not spoiling
04-16-2014 08:48 AM
hbgirl
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Back to the show, is Bronn as awesome in the book as he is in the show?

Another "unsullied" had a theory that Cersei offed Jofferey. They pointed to her wanting to remain queen regent, not wanting to marry Loras, and perhaps trying to kill Margery but accidently killing Joffery.
I think its a bit of a stretch but a good number of people I've spoken with like Cersei as the assassin. The only thing I found suspicious of her was sending away Maester Aamon. I did not get the point of that at all.
Yes, Bronn is as awesome, but as with everything in Westeros ... all are not who they seem (speaking from the books; who knows what direction they will go in the show).

Re: Cersei as the puppetmaster behind the poisoning: It's an interesting theory; I'm trying not to be spoiler'ish in my responses, so I'll just ask if you want any kind of confirmation that it is, or isn't, a correct train of thought?
04-16-2014 07:55 AM
Bullethead The book does sound just awesome. I'd love to read them, I'm 1/3rd of the way through Book 1, but Season 1 was almost verbatim I kind of want to skip to book two or three.

Back to the show, is Bronn as awesome in the book as he is in the show?

Another "unsullied" had a theory that Cersei offed Jofferey. They pointed to her wanting to remain queen regent, not wanting to marry Loras, and perhaps trying to kill Margery but accidently killing Joffery.
I think its a bit of a stretch but a good number of people I've spoken with like Cersei as the assassin. The only thing I found suspicious of her was sending away Maester Aamon. I did not get the point of that at all.
04-15-2014 08:47 PM
SupahMinah Read the books watched both the wedding scenes and thought they were both awesome. The show stays true to the book but not the same.
04-15-2014 02:39 PM
st1264 I'd be shaking in my boots if invited to a wedding in Westeros
04-15-2014 11:35 AM
Cjpe3 I think they are just building up to death by dragons!!!!
04-15-2014 11:11 AM
Cdwright According to an interview with the director, episode is the shortest.

He did also state episode 10 was going to be unreal
04-15-2014 09:59 AM
hbgirl
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I will say Episode 2 this season did feel ... I don't want to say rushed because the final scene was awesome and well drawn out, but I do think a few story lines were shoved along.

-Shea and Tyrion, like thats just over now? Just like that?
-Jon is well at the wall, all healed up, the trial took 15 seconds.
-(Where the hell is littlefinger's story line?)
-Red priestess burns more people, oh that was fun. What purpose did that serve in the episode?
-Could have done for more Jamie and Tyrion / Jamie and Bronn. (Anything with more Bronn is welcome).

The lady of the house has me reading Dunk and Egg or something right now. His writings not terrible, a few too many sentences that are paragraph in length leave me crosseyed now and then but its nothing different than what i've read before.
Personally, I don't know how he still has fans when this series started in the god damn 90s. I'd have burned his house down or something for making me wait like that. All of his side projects that he spends time on instead of writing.
Yeah, like I said above, they have to condense and I think it's a fine line between rushing/running out of time to tell the whole story. I did read that Martin was very involved in every aspect of the Purple Wedding scene, and it showed (there's a pretty significant exchange that takes place that only readers of the book will see as "significant"); seems like every other storyline showed was just filler/extra stuff.

* I am very interested in how they play out the Shea/Tyrion thing, because in the book it leads to something very significant.

* They will have to get to Littlefinger soon, I'll be shocked if he isn't in the next episode. His hand is in everybody's cookie jar.

* I agree about Bronn; can never have too much of him.

My husband is the one who got me to start reading the books quite a few years ago, and I'm not sure I've seen him express more frustration about anything as he has about how long it takes Martin to release the next book.
04-15-2014 06:01 AM
Bullethead I will say Episode 2 this season did feel ... I don't want to say rushed because the final scene was awesome and well drawn out, but I do think a few story lines were shoved along.

-Shea and Tyrion, like thats just over now? Just like that?
-Jon is well at the wall, all healed up, the trial took 15 seconds.
-(Where the hell is littlefinger's story line?)
-Red priestess burns more people, oh that was fun. What purpose did that serve in the episode?
-Could have done for more Jamie and Tyrion / Jamie and Bronn. (Anything with more Bronn is welcome).

The lady of the house has me reading Dunk and Egg or something right now. His writings not terrible, a few too many sentences that are paragraph in length leave me crosseyed now and then but its nothing different than what i've read before.
Personally, I don't know how he still has fans when this series started in the god damn 90s. I'd have burned his house down or something for making me wait like that. All of his side projects that he spends time on instead of writing.
04-14-2014 04:03 PM
hbgirl
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Plus in the series one of my favorite characters that was killed off in the book is still alive.
For now.

But really, it's probably because the series doesn't follow the books' timelines; they condense a lot (lets face it, in all of the books there's a lot of time just spent wandering around lands and having conversations ), and they incorporate and include parts of a character's story that actually happen later in the books just to save time while preserving who that character is. His books go off in so many branches that they have to condense, and even sometimes mesh two characters and their backgrounds/stories together.

The show is phenomenal at portraying the essence of these characters in a much more condensed, workable version than Martin ever could.
04-14-2014 03:56 PM
Kthulhu Having read the first four books in the series with no plans to read the fifth I actually like the tv series better. Martin has a great setting and great characters but his writing does nothing for me. I honestly think he killed off characters in the book (no names) simply because he couldn't figure out what to do with them anymore. Nothing like investing a few hours reading about a character that comes to an untimely demise for no reason. Plus in the series one of my favorite characters that was killed off in the book is still alive.
04-14-2014 10:27 AM
Cdwright The scene with the hound and arya in ep 1 was great. They did get their chickens. Lol
04-14-2014 10:14 AM
hbgirl
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So I suppose Tomin is now King? Cersei go back to being Queen Regent ?
Yes.
04-14-2014 10:01 AM
Bullethead Indeed but not many have the stones to do it.

Me thinks it was a joint assassination by Tywin and the Old Lady Tyrell. I am not sure why the Tyrell's would want him dead but I for sure know Tywin would do it. If nothing more than to put a "Listen to PaPa" in Cersei and Jamie. He's heard the rumors, Jamie disobeyed him by declining going to Lannisport. This could have been Tywin's reaction to that.
But Old Lady Tyrell had said to Sansa something along the lines of "So horrible to see a death at a wedding".

So I suppose Tomin is now King? Cersei go back to being Queen Regent ?
04-14-2014 09:44 AM
hbgirl
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As for me, an "unsullied" viewer only, it was a great episode. I was waiting for the narrator from the end of the Rocky and Bulwinkle cartoons to come in. "Did Tyrion murder his nephew the King?; What will happen to Margery now?; Does Breanne ever learn to curtsey? Find out next time onnn Game of Thrones"
Hahaha!

I have to admit that part of me is jealous of the viewers who haven't read the books yet; I'd much rather watch the series not knowing anything.

As for who killed Joffrey? The line is looooooong, with everyone fighting to be first.
04-14-2014 08:25 AM
Bullethead Lol. My lady friend has been rather upset with that dynamic these first two episodes. I guess she's ready for something HUGE to happen and each episode it doesn't she gets grumpy.

As for me, an "unsullied" viewer only, it was a great episode. I was waiting for the narrator from the end of the Rocky and Bulwinkle cartoons to come in. "Did Tyrion murder his nephew the King?; What will happen to Margery now?; Does Breanne ever learn to curtsey? Find out next time onnn Game of Thrones"

But it was a very good final scene, good lord there was tension for like 15 minutes it was great! I have a theory and I think i'm pretty spot on about who done it.
04-14-2014 06:52 AM
hbgirl
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Anyone watched these first two episodes?
Of course! Beautiful wedding last night, especially the end. Knew it was coming eventually, but I've stopped trying to match where each TV season is in relation to the timeline of the books.
04-14-2014 06:35 AM
Bullethead Anyone watched these first two episodes?
06-13-2013 11:34 AM
CoreyZ Yeah, bit of a weak ending.... now I really am hoping Denny gets her ass across the sea fast and starts melting faces.
06-11-2013 08:14 PM
Saharacane I'm very surprised Roose Bolton didn't kill Frey then and there when they were cleaning up after the Red Wedding. He had it in his eyes that Old Man Frey is going down.
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