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07-08-2013 06:48 PM
Seretta
PAC update

I updated my PAC Firmware and the steering wheel controls work just fine.
06-29-2013 01:54 AM
Lusus_Naturae I talked to PAC awhile back, they said then that they didn't test them in the 2013's yet and couldn't guarantee it. After reading up on it here, I went for it, but then work killed having the time to do it. I finally got to it today (been working on it a little over the past few days). The only issue I had was the PAC instructions say it pre-programmed for the steering wheel controls and you only need to mess with it if you want to change options. Well, I put it together and I had no steering wheel controls. After a few moments of rechecking everything, freaking out, and then taking a chance - I reset the PAC. After a reset, all is good.

My Jeep was an earlier 2013, I think it was a Sept. build date. I have the S package, without premium sound (no amp or sub).
06-24-2013 06:37 AM
Trenty
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Originally Posted by bk81 View Post
woansleftleg you make a lot of sense. I can't be the only late model 2013 wrangler trying to install an aftermarket headunit and PAC should have gotten it right by now. Ill give it a try and let you guys know.
Any update to this?
06-16-2013 09:05 PM
bk81 woansleftleg you make a lot of sense. I can't be the only late model 2013 wrangler trying to install an aftermarket headunit and PAC should have gotten it right by now. Ill give it a try and let you guys know.
06-16-2013 07:07 PM
Olsen185 I can't believe the price of the adapters these days. Are they that advanced? Or just overpriced? That being said when I needed the steering wheel and radio adapters for my 2012 I was able to save a ton of money by searching around for the proper PAC controllers. I think I bought one from Amazon and the other from ebay, which saved me over $100 off the price from sonicelectronix
06-16-2013 05:33 PM
woansleftpeg
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Originally Posted by bk81 View Post
I tried calling PAC and the tech guy did not know about the update in the later 2013 Wranglers. I just want the aftermarket headunit/navi to work, I can live without factory amenities (bluetooth, usb, etc...). Hate to bring it to a stereo shop and half way through install doesn't work.
It's quite possible that it does work. PAC harnesses are fairly commonly used and I've only heard a couple of reports, which appeared to come via one of my least favourite suppliers, of firmware issues. If it was a widespread problem I imagine that PAC would get straight on to fixing it. It may even not have been a real issue and just that particular supplier making stuff up, which wouldn't be the first time for them in my experience.

My guess is that you'll be fine, but I don't want to guarantee anything and then have you pissed at me if there is a problem. If PAC say you're good, I'd say you're good.
06-16-2013 03:44 PM
bk81 I tried calling PAC and the tech guy did not know about the update in the later 2013 Wranglers. I just want the aftermarket headunit/navi to work, I can live without factory amenities (bluetooth, usb, etc...). Hate to bring it to a stereo shop and half way through install doesn't work.
06-16-2013 12:34 PM
Trenty I'd love to know if anyone else fixed this. I haven't tried again since my earlier debacle.
06-11-2013 09:08 PM
woansleftpeg I think it's a CANBUS issue rather than UConnect. I would suggest calling PAC.

Also, you might want to talk to Metra, I haven't heard of any issues with their harnesses (although that doesn't mean there aren't any).
06-11-2013 08:47 PM
bk81 Anyone have updates on this? I have a 2013 JK built May 2013 and most likely has the upgraded coding. Would removing my Uconnect completely solve this problem? Thanks
04-25-2013 02:16 PM
wopspeed
2013 JK Stereo wire harness

I was just told from a relative who owns a car audio place that they do 2013 jeeps all the time and to get the steering wheel to work this is what you need:

Pac–Audio RP4-CH11 - Wire Harness - $140.00 from $200.00
retains RAP / factory amp / and all factory warning features / retains steering wheel controls

Can anyone confirm or elaborate on this?

he also recomended the following setups:

AV Multi-Media Receiver (here are some suggestions for you)

1. Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS
-7” wide screen display
-Bluetooth + Built in, Powered by Parrot
- 4volt output / 3 preouts
-DVD CD / HD Radio Built in / Pandora / SiriusXm Ready / Back-up Camera Ready

Sirius/XM V200 - $25.00 (tuner & antenna) - $50.00 mail-in rebate + 3 months free service

2. Pioneer AVH-X3500BHS
-6.1” wide screen display
-Bluetooth Built in, Powered by Parrot
- 2volt output / 3 preouts
-DVD CD / Pandora / HD Radio / SiriusXM Ready / Back-up Camera Ready

Sirius/XM - $25.00 (tuner & antenna) - $50.00 mail-in rebate + 3 months free service

3.Alpine ICS-X7HD
-7” wide screen display
-Bluetooth + Built in, Powered by Parrot
- 2Volts output / 3 preouts
- HD Radio Built in / Pandora / SiriusXm Ready
- Back-up Camera Ready

Materials (necessary for install)

Installation kit – $19.00 from $30.00
Antenna Adapter - $20.00 from $30.00
Pac–Audio RP4-CH11 - Wire Harness - $140.00 from $200.00
retains RAP / factory amp / and all factory warning features / retains steering wheel controls

Speaker options (here are some suggestions for you)
- Memphis MC62 - 6.5” Coaxials - $110.00 from $155.00 (2yr warranty)
- with in-line crossover (better highs, lows, & mid range)
Or
- Memphis PR62SV2 - 6.5” Components - $100.00 from $145.00
- Includes crossover and tweeters

Rears
04-18-2013 03:24 AM
Lusus_Naturae ^ I am also assuming here you mean firmware update for the Jeep - not the PAC.
04-18-2013 03:12 AM
Lusus_Naturae ^ Interesting. I wonder what the firmware update did then, and I would assume it would only affect '13's when the dealer updates the firmware too. Anyone with a working setup want to take theirs in for a test of this theory? Someone's going to be pissed when they get their Jeep back from an oil change and it no longer works...
04-09-2013 05:28 PM
Trenty
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post

Interesting. I have a friend who has a 2013 base model Sport (literally nothing but AC), who installed a radio with PAC adapter and everything including the wheel controls works fine. Does yours have the Alpine system from the factory? Maybe that's a difference.
Nope. I have the base model stereo. According to PAC it was a firmware issue and that's why they do not list their adapter as compatible w 2013 JKU on their site. Crutchfield then confirmed this themselves, issued me a refund and an apology. Now I'm sitting here w the stock headunit again... Was hooking it up to a Pioneer 3400 as well. All it would do is make mechanical noises but not supply enough power to start the headunit. As soon as I connected it to a stready 12V line it would start right up but I had to bypass the PAC unit to do so.
04-09-2013 06:32 AM
woansleftpeg
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Originally Posted by Trenty View Post
I ordered a new headunit and adapter from Crutchfield 2 weeks ago. Long story short, their adapter was from PAC and it doesn't work for 2013 JKU. I had to call PAC themselves to confirm it after getting 2 replacement units. Apparently it's a software issue with the 2013 model and they haven't had an update yet.
I got a 2013 JKU about six weeks ago, I used the PAC RP4-CH11 interface when I installed my head unit and it worked perfectly. Is there new CANBUS firmware?
04-09-2013 06:30 AM
jwilson2598
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Originally Posted by klebart View Post

really? That would work? I never thought about that. thanks
Yes, that will work. There have been people who bought Jeeps without the connectivity package that swapped in the switch as part if adding the pieces to theirs and it works just fine. If your set on swapping the wheel, that's exactly what I would do.
04-09-2013 06:27 AM
jwilson2598
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Originally Posted by Trenty View Post
I ordered a new headunit and adapter from Crutchfield 2 weeks ago. Long story short, their adapter was from PAC and it doesn't work for 2013 JKU. I had to call PAC themselves to confirm it after getting 2 replacement units. Apparently it's a software issue with the 2013 model and they haven't had an update yet.
Interesting. I have a friend who has a 2013 base model Sport (literally nothing but AC), who installed a radio with PAC adapter and everything including the wheel controls works fine. Does yours have the Alpine system from the factory? Maybe that's a difference.
04-09-2013 06:10 AM
klebart
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post
If you wanted to swap one of those wheels in, you could remove the dumbed down switch pod and replace it with the pod from your leather wheel that has the phone and EVIC buttons on it. That way you could have the non leather wheel, but retain all your current functions.
really? That would work? I never thought about that. thanks
04-09-2013 12:27 AM
Trenty I ordered a new headunit and adapter from Crutchfield 2 weeks ago. Long story short, their adapter was from PAC and it doesn't work for 2013 JKU. I had to call PAC themselves to confirm it after getting 2 replacement units. Apparently it's a software issue with the 2013 model and they haven't had an update yet.
04-08-2013 10:27 PM
jwilson2598
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Originally Posted by klebart View Post

I'm not sure I'm following this. Can you explain a little more please?
Sure. Even the most base models that don't have a leather wheel still have the 2 radio controls on the back, cruise switch on the front, and a "dumbed down" switch pod on the front with step and menu buttons. If you wanted to swap one of those wheels in, you could remove the dumbed down switch pod and replace it with the pod from your leather wheel that has the phone and EVIC buttons on it. That way you could have the non leather wheel, but retain all your current functions.
04-08-2013 03:12 PM
klebart
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Originally Posted by jwilson2598 View Post
They all have the switch panels in the front and radio controls in the back, so I think you could swap the switches out of yours and into the non leather wheel if you wanted to swap. That way you would still have all of your controls, but the non leather wheel.
I'm not sure I'm following this. Can you explain a little more please?
04-08-2013 01:36 PM
Tweak nothing has changed, I have installed a LOC in a 2011 and a 2013 with uconnect. exact same procedure both times. think I was even using a thread for an even older Jeep.

http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showth...hlight=speaker

hope this helps a bit, I know its not exactly what you are looking for
04-08-2013 12:24 PM
jwilson2598 They all have the switch panels in the front and radio controls in the back, so I think you could swap the switches out of yours and into the non leather wheel if you wanted to swap. That way you would still have all of your controls, but the non leather wheel. Just curious as to why you would want the rubber wheel instead if the nicer feeling leather one?
04-08-2013 10:18 AM
klebart Hello, I have a leather steering wheel from a new 2013 Sahara with Uconnect (GPS/DVD/Mp3 etc). Can I swap this for a non-leather steering wheel from a 2013 Jeep that does not have Uconnect? I have heard that I will lose the phone button which is no big deal but I want to keep the other button functions. how ? thank you?
10-13-2012 09:42 AM
Lynskey
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Originally Posted by xsdbs View Post
Like I said. it won't cause any issues just that the CAN BUS might see it as not online.
The EVIC probably has that message because the factory radio talks on the CAN BUS and the Pioneer takes CAN signal to turn on a 12 volt source and the radio doesn't talk on the CAN line.
Sounds about right on to me.

I did program the phone button on the wheel to be a "next programmed channel selector" sort of by accident. When programming I was doing the progression as the instructions said and I pressed that button during the program for next channel thinking I was doing the BT. I left it that way as my PAC-SWI is an older one that doesn't support the phone BT selection on the HU after trying a few times.

Mine is one of the original PAC-SWI-PS or PAC-SWI-RC units. Not sure which.
10-12-2012 04:26 PM
xsdbs Like I said. it won't cause any issues just that the CAN BUS might see it as not online.
The EVIC probably has that message because the factory radio talks on the CAN BUS and the Pioneer takes CAN signal to turn on a 12 volt source and the radio doesn't talk on the CAN line.



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Originally Posted by Lynskey View Post
Interesting. When I repalced my 130 HU and went the PAC harness route with the SWI, I left the UConnect as is. I thought that it would still be connected but have nowhere to go since the 130 HU was no longer connected.

In my set-up, my Pioneer unit is a BT so it has its' own phone button. When programming the SWI, I used the steering wheel phone button as a favorites channel changer. So on mine I have the 6 buttons programmed behind the wheel (up, down and middle on left and right) to control volume, channel, function (CD, USB, etc) and mute.

One little odd thing is that when I turn the ignition off and leave the key in, the EVIC displays "Stereo off" (or something like that) even when the stereo is not really off. Must be part of the UC module..
10-12-2012 04:18 PM
WhiskeyMike
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Originally Posted by Lynskey View Post
So on mine I have the 6 buttons programmed behind the wheel (up, down and middle on left and right) to control volume, channel, function (CD, USB, etc) and mute.
Was it possible for you to map the answer call button on the steering wheel to the answer call on your head unit?

Do you know what SWI harness you used and where did you get it?
10-12-2012 07:36 AM
Lynskey
Quote:
Originally Posted by xsdbs View Post
Correct. However if you do have the Uconnect system, you'll want to get to the module and disconnect it. It's located behind the HVAC control head.
Leaving it plugged in won't keep the radio from working but what could happen is that it may throw a DTC because the CAN BUS network will see that it's not powering up.
Not a real big issue, however it could cause a tech to chase after a non related issue if you had to take the vehicle to the dealer for any future problems. When he put scan tool on the vehicle he'll see a DTC for the UC module as well as whatever may be the issue at the time. So really this is just a precautionary step.
Interesting. When I repalced my 130 HU and went the PAC harness route with the SWI, I left the UConnect as is. I thought that it would still be connected but have nowhere to go since the 130 HU was no longer connected.

In my set-up, my Pioneer unit is a BT so it has its' own phone button. When programming the SWI, I used the steering wheel phone button as a favorites channel changer. So on mine I have the 6 buttons programmed behind the wheel (up, down and middle on left and right) to control volume, channel, function (CD, USB, etc) and mute.

One little odd thing is that when I turn the ignition off and leave the key in, the EVIC displays "Stereo off" (or something like that) even when the stereo is not really off. Must be part of the UC module..
10-12-2012 06:41 AM
xsdbs Correct. However if you do have the Uconnect system, you'll want to get to the module and disconnect it. It's located behind the HVAC control head.
Leaving it plugged in won't keep the radio from working but what could happen is that it may throw a DTC because the CAN BUS network will see that it's not powering up.
Not a real big issue, however it could cause a tech to chase after a non related issue if you had to take the vehicle to the dealer for any future problems. When he put scan tool on the vehicle he'll see a DTC for the UC module as well as whatever may be the issue at the time. So really this is just a precautionary step.



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Originally Posted by PhotoWrangler View Post
I would think that an aftermarket Head Unit would render the UConnect system useless, since most of them have bluetooth capabilities built in. But thats a complete guess.
10-12-2012 05:43 AM
PhotoWrangler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landonk View Post
What about UConnect features? Voice and phone buttons?
I would think that an aftermarket Head Unit would render the UConnect system useless, since most of them have bluetooth capabilities built in. But thats a complete guess.
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