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06-13-2013 07:46 PM
en1ma Got it. Thanks. Well I have it all on order now. I can't wait. Thanks for your help.
06-13-2013 07:44 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Well from further research it seems that offsets and backspacing is the same thing so I think tirerack is probably just conservative...
Remember earlier when I said some tire store guys are stupid....

Offset and Backspace are different measurements of the exact same thing. Offset is measured from the dead center of the rim, backspace is measured (not surprisingly) from the back of the rim.

If you really like those rims, go buy them. Or go with something else... I love my Procomps, but my rims are 16inch so they won't work with the tires you already ordered.
06-13-2013 07:10 PM
en1ma Well from further research it seems that offsets and backspacing is the same thing so I think tirerack is probably just conservative...
06-13-2013 06:33 PM
en1ma I ordered the 285/70/17 duratracs.

I was about to pull the trigger on the mamba m13s but the TireRack agent scared me. He said stock offset was +30 and the 4.5" backspacing Mamba m13 is -12mm.

He said that offset matters more than backspacing and says I'll run into fit issues. Can anyone comment on this?

The mamba m13's have "4.5" backspacing on their site but dont' mention anything with offsets. Tirerack is selling me above with the 4.5" backspacing model. Any help?
06-13-2013 10:02 AM
Nucci10 I have a '13 wrangler sport and I was wondering if the BF Goodrich All terrains 255/75/r17 would fit without having to do anything to it.
06-12-2013 07:45 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Guessing you meant this picture?





That's the only area I found there to be a somewhat small clearance. The key fob is just a tad bigger than 1.5"

So these tires right? Goodyear*Wrangler DuraTrac

Load Range is D, is that good?

+ 5x5 17x9 4.5" and we're in business ?
Based on everything I can think of (and your photos) you should be fine. If you did end up getting a rub there (but the poster above says he doesn't) there is a conversion out there to make the stock bumper into a shorty, and that would get it out of the way and make your truck look better too... I don't have the stock bumper though, so I don't know much about that.

Based on your photos though, I think you'll be just fine.

And yes, the tire you linked appears to be the one we are talking about.

Don't forget, you need five wheels and five tires, assuming you want your spare to match.
06-12-2013 07:22 PM
en1ma
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
The tires I just told you about

Tire shop guys vary, some are good, some are dumb, here is what you need to know..

Your 4.5 offset is going to buy you about 2 extra inches on the inside of the tire away from the suspension, frame, etc... Assuming you mount a 285 tire, your tire is going to be about 1.5 inches wider than your stock tire. Half of that width on each side of center, right, so .75 closer to the internals minus the 2 inches discussed with offset means that your new wider tires are actually going to have MORE clearance from the suspension than the stock rig did (this all assumes you install the 4.5 offset wheels).

The only rub you MIGHT get is with the stock bumper (I don't have one so I don't know) Turn your wheel all the way to the right, then on the drivers side have a look at the distance from the closest part of the tire to the back of the bumper.. If its less than about 1 inch, you might get a rub there with your new set up... Thats the only place you need to worry about.

Gottta run, no more updates from me for a while.
Guessing you meant this picture?





That's the only area I found there to be a somewhat small clearance. The key fob is just a tad bigger than 1.5"

So these tires right? http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....%20S%20Package

Load Range is D, is that good?

+ 5x5 17x9 4.5" and we're in business ?
06-12-2013 06:23 PM
JKUcmnd
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Let me simplify it: screw my stock tires.

If I get the M13's 17": what tires can I buy that will fit that are recommended by Jeepers for All Terrain + Snow capable and not require me to get a lift that is between 32-33"?
I am currently running AEV 17" Pintlers with Duratrac LT28570R17 (32.8" diameter) with no lift and have not experienced any rubbing issues. The AEV Pintlers have a 5.2" backspacing.

Hope this helps.
06-12-2013 06:20 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Let me simplify it: screw my stock tires.

If I get the M13's 17": what tires can I buy that will fit that are recommended by Jeepers for All Terrain + Snow capable and not require me to get a lift that is between 32-33"?
The tires I just told you about

Tire shop guys vary, some are good, some are dumb, here is what you need to know..

Your 4.5 offset is going to buy you about 2 extra inches on the inside of the tire away from the suspension, frame, etc... Assuming you mount a 285 tire, your tire is going to be about 1.5 inches wider than your stock tire. Half of that width on each side of center, right, so .75 closer to the internals minus the 2 inches discussed with offset means that your new wider tires are actually going to have MORE clearance from the suspension than the stock rig did (this all assumes you install the 4.5 offset wheels).

The only rub you MIGHT get is with the stock bumper (I don't have one so I don't know) Turn your wheel all the way to the right, then on the drivers side have a look at the distance from the closest part of the tire to the back of the bumper.. If its less than about 1 inch, you might get a rub there with your new set up... Thats the only place you need to worry about.

Gottta run, no more updates from me for a while.
06-12-2013 05:54 PM
en1ma Let me simplify it: screw my stock tires.

If I get the M13's 17": what tires can I buy that will fit that are recommended by Jeepers for All Terrain + Snow capable and not require me to get a lift that is between 32-33"?
06-12-2013 05:45 PM
en1ma Ok I don't want anything to look odd for sure. I can just get the Duratracs now.

I'm concerned about the "rubbing" the Tirerack agent told me about but perhaps that's just a general thing they're saying because they don't know much specifically about Wranglers?

He said there would be rubbing because of the +12/-12mm offsets?

You're saying I can get the M13 + DuraTracs at 285/70/17 and be ok with compatibility and no rub? My other option is 265/70/17 Duratracs (is what agent recommended me but said wheels are going to cause rub) Also if I do get it, should I get the +12 mm offset or -12mm?
06-12-2013 05:38 PM
KurtVW the stock 255's will fit on that rim, but if you can get the rim in a 17x8 with 4.5backspace you might be happier. Being a 17x9, its going to look a little odd with the 255's, but they should mount just fine.

You can even consider the duratracks at 285/70 17, Thats about as far as you can go before you're need to lift.. The 315/70 gets into the 34 or 35 inch diameter and thats too much for stock.

Tire size is easy... first numbers is width in mm... second number is the percentage of the first number that is sidewall height... so 70% of 285 is 199mm (about 7.8 inches...) you have a sidewall on the bottom of the wheel and one above it, sothats about 15.4 inches Plus your 17 inch rim equals a 32.4 inch tire

Should fit great...and the 4.5 backspace should buy you the room you need.
06-12-2013 05:31 PM
en1ma An agent on tirerack said this: "The M13 comes in +12 and -12mm offsets. Both will cause the tire and wheel to stick out past the fender line"

That's bad right?

He also said: "You should have a lift if it is sticking out - otherwise when you turn the wheel the tire edge will catch on the sway bar or air dam"

I don't want to lift this puppy for a while...
06-12-2013 05:26 PM
en1ma Will it work with that M13 rim?

Or a better question, will the M13 rim fit both stock tires and DuraTrac 265/70/17?

Sorry, apparently I can program an entire web application stack but I can't figure out wheels and tires lol.
06-12-2013 05:24 PM
KurtVW If you're buying tires and wheels you could do a Duratracs 265/70 17. That gives you a tire 32inches tall and. 10.5 inch wide, will look beefy and will not rub. This tire will not work with your stock rim and will rub if you try it.
06-12-2013 05:14 PM
en1ma According to TireRack it is: 255/75-17 which sounds correct for me but I can double check.

Should I get the DuraTracs now then if I want the m13s? What size would fit? Thanks for the help Kurt!

on TireRack they say: Recommended Tire Size: 255/75-17 so might be perfect for stock tires - hopefully DuraTracs come in that size too, what happens if it's slightly different?
06-12-2013 04:50 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
I just have stock Sport S. Just picked it up yesterday.

I think I'll get the M13's because the Gauntlet's have 5.47" backspacing.

Will the m13's fit both a stock Sport S tire and a DuraTrac 32" or 33" tire?
Ok with the M13's, you're not going to have any rub problems when turning, unless you get on to much wider tires (above 315). So you're good there.

If your truck currently has the stock tires, I'm assuming they are 17 inch, but what I need to know is how wide those tires are. Because the M13's are a 9 inch wide rim, and your stock rim I think is 7.5 inches.

So if the first number of your tire size is less than about 235 to say 250ish, its going to look a little silly. But as long as its a 17 inch tire currently you should be in good shape. I can't remember what the stock tire size is, so if you'd go out and look at the tire side wall that'd be helpful..

I run tires that are 315 wide, on a 4.5 backspace and have no rubs ever.
06-12-2013 04:39 PM
en1ma
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
Sorry your thread ran amok there :-)

If you already posted this, I missed it, what is your current tire and rim size?

I can't answer what will fit and what will not without knowing that.
I just have stock Sport S. Just picked it up yesterday.

I think I'll get the M13's because the Gauntlet's have 5.47" backspacing.

Will the m13's fit both a stock Sport S tire and a DuraTrac 32" or 33" tire?
06-12-2013 04:37 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Someone posted this on the review for it in a Wrangler 2d Sport:



Does this mean the following?

1) It will work on stock tires?
2) If I get 285/70/17 it will rub at full turn? Is this a standard 33" DuraTrac size?
2a) Is rubbing "bad?"
2b) Can wheel spacers solve the above?
2c) Are wheel spacers a "bad" mod to do or fine?
3) Is there a 32" DuraTrac that would fit without the same questions as above?
Sorry your thread ran amok there :-)

If you already posted this, I missed it, what is your current tire and rim size?

I can't answer what will fit and what will not without knowing that.
06-12-2013 04:19 PM
dpostman That M13 wheel looks very nice. Keeping my eyes open for a 2nd set of wheels for winter tires. But since the winter and salt wreaks havoc on wheels, it's a shame to put out a lot of money on winter shoes.

Also: The commando Green is one of those colors that shows up different on every picture. I assume it has to do with the White balance of the camera and different lighting. Even in person, it changes pending weather/lighting.
06-12-2013 04:12 PM
en1ma Sorry my thread got derailed. I still have some pending questions:

Quote:
Originally Posted by en1ma
Shoot, I just found a Wheel I really like but the back spacing is 5.47"

Ultra Gauntlet

Size: 17x9
Offset: 12mm
Backspacing: 5.47"
Bolt Pattern: 5-127
Rec. Tire Size: 255/75-17
Weight: 25.4lbs.
Finish: Black Painted
Construction: 1 Pc.

Ultra Gauntlet Black Painted

Will these fit stock tires and or DuraTrac's close to stock tire size?
Quote:
Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
Someone posted this on the review for it in a Wrangler 2d Sport:



Does this mean the following?

1) It will work on stock tires?
2) If I get 285/70/17 it will rub at full turn? Is this a standard 33" DuraTrac size?
2a) Is rubbing "bad?"
2b) Can wheel spacers solve the above?
2c) Are wheel spacers a "bad" mod to do or fine?
3) Is there a 32" DuraTrac that would fit without the same questions as above?
Quote:
Originally Posted by en1ma View Post
I found an alternative:

Mamba Offroad Wheels : Mamba M13

5x5 17x9 4.5" Matte Black 78.1 M137973N12B

That is good for both stock tire and DuraTrac 32/33" ?

The last one is a perfect fit for both stock and supposed 32 or 33" ?
06-12-2013 04:09 PM
Rancho
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Originally Posted by Hillvol16 View Post
Yeah! We have the same color and that's awesome.

What color is that? Commando? Looks different than others I have seen. Thanks!
06-12-2013 04:06 PM
dpostman
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
Do you always go this far out of your way to be offended by someone who wasn't even talking to you? Or was this a momentary lapse of reason?

We wasn't dissing stock trucks, he was saying IF you got a custom thing on it, why wouldn't you be proud of said custom thing?

As a troll attempt, I'd give your post maybe 2.5 stars. Keep practicing
My teasing-poking sounded a lot clearer in my head than it did on paper.
06-12-2013 02:45 PM
Thorshammer7 Welcome to the site. Post up a couple pics of your new ride.
06-12-2013 02:40 PM
Hillvol16
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post
Do you always go this far out of your way to be offended by someone who wasn't even talking to you? Or was this a momentary lapse of reason?

We wasn't dissing stock trucks, he was saying IF you got a custom thing on it, why wouldn't you be proud of said custom thing?

As a troll attempt, I'd give your post maybe 2.5 stars. Keep practicing
Yeah! We have the same color and that's awesome.
06-12-2013 02:35 PM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by dpostman View Post
Gee... To think that after all this time of research and tinkering with different build options and finally ordering a Jeep with all the specific things I wanted, I was so happy to get "My" jeep and get it in my driveway. Now I can drive around in it and go camping and hunting in it as is... stock. But apparently, It is just an off-the-lot jeep so I must not care about it

My wife would strongly disagree with you, considering that she feels like I would take the jeep to bed instead if I could

dp

Just my off-the-lot jeep. At least I put a few stickers on it... does that count?

Do you always go this far out of your way to be offended by someone who wasn't even talking to you? Or was this a momentary lapse of reason?

We wasn't dissing stock trucks, he was saying IF you got a custom thing on it, why wouldn't you be proud of said custom thing?

As a troll attempt, I'd give your post maybe 2.5 stars. Keep practicing
06-12-2013 01:01 PM
dpostman
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
Be proud of your wheels and display the brand on the cap. It's nice to show your Jeep isn't just an off-the-lot daily driver and that you actually care about it.
Gee... To think that after all this time of research and tinkering with different build options and finally ordering a Jeep with all the specific things I wanted, I was so happy to get "My" jeep and get it in my driveway. Now I can drive around in it and go camping and hunting in it as is... stock. But apparently, It is just an off-the-lot jeep so I must not care about it

My wife would strongly disagree with you, considering that she feels like I would take the jeep to bed instead if I could

dp

Just my off-the-lot jeep. At least I put a few stickers on it... does that count?

06-12-2013 12:46 PM
en1ma I found an alternative:

Mamba Offroad Wheels : Mamba M13

5x5 17x9 4.5" Matte Black 78.1 M137973N12B

That is good for both stock tire and DuraTrac 32/33" ?

06-11-2013 11:56 PM
en1ma Someone posted this on the review for it in a Wrangler 2d Sport:

Quote:
Just got my new tires and Wheels from you guys and here is a shot of them on my 13 Wrangler...285/70/17 Goodyear Duratrac's and 17" Ultra Gauntlets..No lift and no rubbing but Teraflex leveling kit is on order.

Thanks,

Tom
Does this mean the following?

1) It will work on stock tires?
2) If I get 285/70/17 it will rub at full turn? Is this a standard 33" DuraTrac size?
2a) Is rubbing "bad?"
2b) Can wheel spacers solve the above?
2c) Are wheel spacers a "bad" mod to do or fine?
3) Is there a 32" DuraTrac that would fit without the same questions as above?
06-11-2013 11:53 PM
en1ma Shoot, I just found a Wheel I really like but the back spacing is 5.47"

Ultra Gauntlet

Size: 17x9
Offset: 12mm
Backspacing: 5.47"
Bolt Pattern: 5-127
Rec. Tire Size: 255/75-17
Weight: 25.4lbs.
Finish: Black Painted
Construction: 1 Pc.

Ultra Gauntlet Black Painted

Will these fit stock tires and or DuraTrac's close to stock tire size?
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