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06-14-2013 09:31 PM
RacecarBMW Tru-locks are not necessary as many have mentioned above a stock Jeep is very capable. But if you need them in the future, there are many upgrades you can make that will give you locking differentials that are even better than the ones found on a Rubicon.

Warranty issues are all dependent on your dealership. Maybe find a local jeep club and see where they recommend going.

I don't know about your location, but A/C seems like a useful luxury to have.

Manuals are loads of fun, but autos are a lot easier. When you're on the trail it maybe difficult at first to get used to feathering the throttle and clutch as you go over certain obstacles. But with time you'll get the hang of it. My current Jeep is an Auto.
06-14-2013 09:24 PM
Rooster76 1) Are the tru-lok front and rear axles on the Rubicon and special 4WD system a "must have" or will I be able to make do without them for my purposes stated above?

With the right tires, aired down, a stock jk can do some very extreme stuff. It's by no means just good for dirt roads. There will be a bit of wheel spin in spots. Just a rear locker will take you about anywhere and make it look easy. If you offroad much your going to want lockers for sure. At least in the back. The Moab could be a good option.

Another thing to consider is the Dana 44 front axle.

All the parts are under warranty, and will give more towards resale.

4.10 with the 3.6L Pentastar engine should be able to handle 35" tires without a regear. That's about as high as you can go before spending stupid amounts of money replacing the whole suspension and drivelines. It's also better for manuals off-road.

If you do much climbing the 4:1 transfer case is nice for 4-low. It's also a major plus if you want a manual for not stalling out. For mud it can be a bit low. You can still get up to 20 mph or so which works.

There are a few ways to get 1% below invoice without negotiating(tread lightly, Costco). With just getting a hard top and the power option I was able to get my rubicon for about 29,000. Sticker was like 32k. The invoice price slices a lot more off a rubicon vs a sport.

2) How is Jeep regarding warranties? If modifying my Sport would void my warranty, I feel I would probably be better off starting with a Rubicon and calling it a day.

If you alter something, it will void the warranty on that part. Tires and suspension shouldn't mess with the engine for example. Some dealers are cooler than others. Being able to keep it stockish for 3 years was a reason I went with a rubicon. My personal impression with my dealer is they will do anything possible to dodge a claim.

3) Is there much to be gained from having the A/C delete in the power department? Where does the jury stand on this? If it is marginal, I think the comfort of A/C probably outweighs the power gain.

Get AC. Sometimes wind doesnt cut it. I think auto climate control is a bit over the top for my taste. I'm almost positive you can upgrade the stock AC to that also. One of the main times I use AC is when the doors and windows are out. I'm not trying to get swamp ass.

4) I'm 99% sure I want a manual. Is there any compelling reason to get an auto aside from ease of use in traffic?

Manuals are super fun in my opinion. If you want one, I would get one, and don't live with the regret. They have a long throw, and a soft clutch that engages high. The stick jiggles pretty severely when going over rough terrain, but it's not as bad as some make it out. I would make sure to do a test drive if at all possible first. If you can't, just know is more like a truck transmission than a sports car. There isn't a great technical reason to get a stick post 2012 model. I think engine breaking down steep stuff might still work better with manuals, than the autos hold it in gear feature(2012+)? Maybe not. Manuals have a bit of an advantage when lifting. The stock front drive shaft hits the autos transmission when flexing with a lift. Sticks are more forgiving with bigger wheels. The absolute worst thing about manuals is that you should not clutch in with water above the bottom of the transmission. You can start in 4low with no clutch to over come this if you stall. I think honestly that there are more service issues with sticks. The warranty on clutch parts is only a year as I understand it.
06-14-2013 05:27 PM
sinbob I have AC in my jeep but I never use it because I always take the top and doors off as soon as I can.

The 6 sp is very good IMHOP

If you can afford the rubi get it....a stock rubi will run circles around anything else built or not. Look at the costs of adding these builds into your rig......Parts and Labor. In the rubi they are part of the blue book....as an add on build..... NOT!!!!!

just my .02 cts
06-14-2013 05:06 PM
52Tele I have a pretty stripped sport w/6sp manual. Can't swallow an auto in a jeep IMO.

You have to get the contract to see how warranty is covered. Many tiers available.

One guarantee however....It'll be the damnedest fun you've had; perhaps ever!
It ain't like a truck, it ain't like a car, it ain't like a van. It's like a Jeep!

It can go dang near anywhere, over most anything in your way, and has great handling in many respects. Tight turning radius, pretty stable in turns, enough power for anything you'll likely need.

Get a CB IMO. Very useful in a Jeep. Why they are not stock in Wranglers, I know NOT!
Have fun with your new Wrangler!
Congratulations!
06-13-2013 10:08 PM
JeeperJake Welcome to the Forum.

re:

1) Are the tru-lok front and rear axles on the Rubicon and special 4WD system a "must have" or will I be able to make do without them for my purposes stated above?

skinny tired Jeeps traveled around the world long before any such option was ever conceived....unless you KNOW you need them, you probably can wait until that need becomes obvious. Learn how to use the parts on the base model first, IMHO.

2) How is Jeep regarding warranties? If modifying my Sport would void my warranty, I feel I would probably be better off starting with a Rubicon and calling it a day.
Read up on this for your state. "Lemon laws" pretty well describe what to expect. That Rubi will cost a BUNCH more for stuff you may never actually need. And learning how to get along without it first will justify the actual expense, should your use come to demand those very options.


3) Is there much to be gained from having the A/C delete in the power department? Where does the jury stand on this? If it is marginal, I think the comfort of A/C probably outweighs the power gain.

Keep the A/C.

4) I'm 99% sure I want a manual. Is there any compelling reason to get an auto aside from ease of use in traffic?

Reason, yes. "Compelling"....depends.
After shifting manual stuff for over 50 years, I'm quite pleased with the advantages the AT can offer both on AND off the road.

If you ever intend on letting a girl friend drive your rig, an auto will make the exercise far more pleasant.
06-13-2013 09:30 PM
Tweak 1- wouldnt call it a must have. it all depends on your budget right now. I couldnt afford the rubicon and I dont regret it at all. jeeps in bone stock form are already extremely capable vehicles.

2- it all depends on the dealership. some are mod friendly, others not so much. a modified sport will run circles around a stock rubicon all day.

3- I dont know where you live, but get A/C. the power you would gain (if any) can be achieved with a tuner. if you chose to sell it in the future you will be cutting half of your potential market.

4- I got an auto because I spend a lot of time in traffic, may be starting a family in the near future, and its just cheating on steep climbs. I do miss driving a 6-speed sometimes though.

I started with a bone stock sport with no intentions of driving over the obstacles that I have been seeing lately. that went out the window quick!
06-13-2013 09:25 PM
Rockland
Considering buying a Jeep - Have questions!

Hello guys,

As the title says I'm considering purchasing a Wrangler. I'm interested in getting a bare bones Sport model and have a few questions. I'm more or less a complete novice, having only gone offroading 3-4 times ever. I would want to have the ability to do "most" trails offroad. It won't kill me if I can't do extreme rock crawling or anything crazy like that. Plus, I figure I could upgrade it to be able to if I really wanted. So here are my questions:

1) Are the tru-lok front and rear axles on the Rubicon and special 4WD system a "must have" or will I be able to make do without them for my purposes stated above?

2) How is Jeep regarding warranties? If modifying my Sport would void my warranty, I feel I would probably be better off starting with a Rubicon and calling it a day.

3) Is there much to be gained from having the A/C delete in the power department? Where does the jury stand on this? If it is marginal, I think the comfort of A/C probably outweighs the power gain.

4) I'm 99% sure I want a manual. Is there any compelling reason to get an auto aside from ease of use in traffic?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

-Rockland

EDIT: I should have added this would be my second/weekend car.

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