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12-05-2014 08:11 AM
12mile Great write up and information,

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12-05-2014 07:12 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by Av8tor2 View Post
A few questions about lifting that I am still confused about:

I have seen the diagrams and but I still do not understand them about "backspacing". I would prefer not to use a spacer, that is why I am thinking about the kit and wheels below...

I have on order a Rubicon HR 2dr 6sp. I want to do rock crawling with it on the weekends. But also use it during the week as a DD. I want to add a winch and larger tire carrier in the back.

I want to swap out the wheel for the AEV Pintler Wheels (Black).

I would like to run 35" tires, but I am will to consider a smaller size. I want to use the Metal Cloak JK Wrangler Game-Changer Suspension, 2.5"/3.5", ARB Edition. Either 2.5 or 3.5 inch kits, the one thing that I some what afraid of with a 3.5 inch kit it won't fit in my garage.

When you "order" that lift kit it asks: Backspacing? Wheels have more than 5.5" of backspacing or less than 5.5" of backspacing. There is where my understanding of backspacing is nil!

My understanding the MC Lift kits keep the same geometry of the stock set up and AEV wheels and they have JK specific offset. I am thinking this through correctly or am I way off base?

Also with the 3.5" lift kit you would recommend drive shafts?? And if so which brand? (haven't done any research on them yet)

Another question...

Would it be better to load up with jeep with winch, rock rails and tire carrier first before lifting?

I you guys think I need to do more research just say so... Which I am doing anyways...

I'm no lift expert, but my first mod intending to do some moderate and occasional wheeling was better rails for the Rubicon and some skid plates. If you're rock crawling, I would say skid plates are a must, esp for the oil pan and diff cover. For the rails, I went the Ace route and kept the Rubicon rails, and don't have a single complaint.
12-04-2014 05:03 PM
Av8tor2 A few questions about lifting that I am still confused about:

I have seen the diagrams and but I still do not understand them about "backspacing". I would prefer not to use a spacer, that is why I am thinking about the kit and wheels below...

I have on order a Rubicon HR 2dr 6sp. I want to do rock crawling with it on the weekends. But also use it during the week as a DD. I want to add a winch and larger tire carrier in the back.

I want to swap out the wheel for the AEV Pintler Wheels (Black).

I would like to run 35" tires, but I am will to consider a smaller size. I want to use the Metal Cloak JK Wrangler Game-Changer Suspension, 2.5"/3.5", ARB Edition. Either 2.5 or 3.5 inch kits, the one thing that I some what afraid of with a 3.5 inch kit it won't fit in my garage.

When you "order" that lift kit it asks: Backspacing? Wheels have more than 5.5" of backspacing or less than 5.5" of backspacing. There is where my understanding of backspacing is nil!

My understanding the MC Lift kits keep the same geometry of the stock set up and AEV wheels and they have JK specific offset. I am thinking this through correctly or am I way off base?

Also with the 3.5" lift kit you would recommend drive shafts?? And if so which brand? (haven't done any research on them yet)

Another question...

Would it be better to load up with jeep with winch, rock rails and tire carrier first before lifting?

I you guys think I need to do more research just say so... Which I am doing anyways...
12-04-2014 03:34 PM
DeAnda
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
1. Rancho kit 2. Sway bar links 3. MC control arms 4. MC front track bar and rear bracket 5. Brake lines 6. Springs and bump stops Building it out this way minimizes the affect on the suspension geometry, until your last step of adding springs. You'll slowly be fine tuning the system. In the end the only part that will be left over from the Rancho kit will be the two front springs and rear spacer, which you could consider as free items for the price you paid on the shocks.
Digging this write up! I went the Rancho Sport route! Actually picked it up brand new off of eBay for less than $200 shipped with 9000 series shocks! I'm just confused when it comes to the Sway bar links... Which ones/size/brand etc... should I go with? 08 JKUR. I'm currently running 33' tires, but plan to be in 35's by summer.
11-18-2014 07:19 PM
wrath0r This is an incredible thread. One thing I've noticed is that the Metal Cloak dual-rate 2.5” is now available for a 2-door JK.
10-10-2014 09:30 AM
arturonueve Just put on a Metalcloak 3.5 dual rate ARB kit with 35s on my 2013 jku. Took it wheeling here in Colorado mountains where I live and it works so good on and off road. Driveshaft will be the next step. Already ordered a Tatton 1310. My intention was to get the 2.5 but they put the 3.5 by mistake but I'm glad because I like it a lot. Putting on an aftermarket driveline is not going to be quite as big a deal as I thought it would be.

Here is a pic:
10-09-2014 04:24 PM
Matador That's awesome to read Mitch. Good luck and have fun.
10-08-2014 05:24 PM
Mitch17 I have read and re read pretty much everything I could find on the forum, and finally pulled the trigger on the Rancho Sport 2" lift.

Rides nice. Looks great. Works well with my current 33s but will have room for the 35s if they are in my future.

Thanks, Matador!

I'm looking forward to the first off road run this weekend ...
09-15-2014 11:43 PM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
It is but you should be fine for a long time. That's not an overly aggressive lift and you got a good amount of weight on it to bring it close to probably 3" of actual lift, which is well within the safe zone for the driveshaft.
Cool, thanks!
09-08-2014 02:27 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
I did the 2.5" TF coil lift on my 13' JKUR (still on stock bumpers) and got the tiniest bit of rubbing even with the bumpstops that came in the kit. The armorlite front bumper is very close to stock weight (depending on whether or not a winch is involved). Don't know anything about the 10a rear but I do have a 12x35 Toyo MT mounted on the back which is not a light tire. I've trimmed my fenders down so there's no rubbing at this point. I'm running Rancho 9000s and love the ride. As for the exhaust spacer, I've elected to skip it and let it ride. I'll replace the stock front driveshaft once it deteriorates sufficiently. From what I've read, an aftermarket driveshaft is the best solution anyway.
It is but you should be fine for a long time. That's not an overly aggressive lift and you got a good amount of weight on it to bring it close to probably 3" of actual lift, which is well within the safe zone for the driveshaft.
09-07-2014 11:36 AM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
If you plan on running the stock fenders then I would suggest some bump stops to limit the amount of travel and avoid the tires making contact. You can scrape by with the 2.5" kit on 35's but the added weight of the bumpers might cause some problems whenever you hit a bit of flex. You might actually rub going over train tracks or steep driveways. Just something to keep in mind.
I did the 2.5" TF coil lift on my 13' JKUR (still on stock bumpers) and got the tiniest bit of rubbing even with the bumpstops that came in the kit. The armorlite front bumper is very close to stock weight (depending on whether or not a winch is involved). Don't know anything about the 10a rear but I do have a 12x35 Toyo MT mounted on the back which is not a light tire. I've trimmed my fenders down so there's no rubbing at this point. I'm running Rancho 9000s and love the ride. As for the exhaust spacer, I've elected to skip it and let it ride. I'll replace the stock front driveshaft once it deteriorates sufficiently. From what I've read, an aftermarket driveshaft is the best solution anyway.
09-02-2014 02:53 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by FootSoldier View Post
Thanks! I sure appreciate the effort you all have put into this thread. As a newb, I am learning a lot all over this site.

Thanks again!

Steve
I'm glad that its helpful Steve. I remember being overwhelmed with information at first and things started slowly making sense. Just ask questions and read what you can, it will eventually click.
09-02-2014 02:45 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Kraka46 View Post
There's a lot of great info in this thread fellas. I have a JKUR with a LOD armor lite front bumper and a 10A rear bumper. I'm pretty settled on the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift with Bilstein 5100s. I'm going to run 35" Duratecs. My question is what else should I get that doesn't come with the kit? I know I need the exhaust spacer. It's my daily driver and doesn't see much more than the occasional fire road.

Thanks!

If you plan on running the stock fenders then I would suggest some bump stops to limit the amount of travel and avoid the tires making contact. You can scrape by with the 2.5" kit on 35's but the added weight of the bumpers might cause some problems whenever you hit a bit of flex. You might actually rub going over train tracks or steep driveways. Just something to keep in mind.
09-01-2014 11:04 AM
FootSoldier Thanks! I sure appreciate the effort you all have put into this thread. As a newb, I am learning a lot all over this site.

Thanks again!

Steve
08-30-2014 10:34 AM
Kraka46 There's a lot of great info in this thread fellas. I have a JKUR with a LOD armor lite front bumper and a 10A rear bumper. I'm pretty settled on the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift with Bilstein 5100s. I'm going to run 35" Duratecs. My question is what else should I get that doesn't come with the kit? I know I need the exhaust spacer. It's my daily driver and doesn't see much more than the occasional fire road.

Thanks!
08-01-2014 12:24 PM
TJ Lyons Thanks Lou. Knowing I can improve as I go is a big deal for my budget and lifestyle. My Jeep was stored for years shortly after purchase. This is my second user on here. Manual X, 28,013 miles, only been run the last 2 years. Rather than buy new, go in debt, and still not have what I need, I am completely rebuilding from ground up. Life is a lot more fun when you don't have big payments! So much info to absorb that it will give you a nose bleed. I can find info for on road use, at least partial, or beasts, nothing in between, which is where I fall. I was getting pretty frustrated not finding the info I need, but thanks to this thread I have a start. I based height and tire size on experience. I drive on old contour strips, mountaintop removal sights, valley fills, sippy holes, hills, back roads and in the woods 3 - 6 days a week. Clearance is needed. Unless I cut the fenders, AKA gravel catchers, a 2.5" with 35s does rub on this terrain. 4+" is the norm here, too tall for me. After a lifetime of trucks, I wish I had of gotten a Jeep sooner.
Thanks again!
07-30-2014 10:03 AM
Matador The Jeep looks great Terrabit, enjoy.


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Originally Posted by TJ Lyons View Post
I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
Lyons, first let me say that I totally understand what your saying. When I first bought my Jeep I was overwhelmed with conflicting information and didn't know which approach to take. To be honest, there really is no one direction that is the best, mainly because how you use your Jeep might be different than how I use mine. So you need to find a direction that works for you.

I like this "lifting in steps" idea because its a great economical approach that slowly introduces you to Jeep Modding. As you progress, you'll realize what works for you and what doesn't. If on the other hand, you don't want to bother with progressional improvements and would prefer to go straight with the entire kit, then I would consider either Metal Cloak or Rock Krawler. They are both really well suited for predominantly off-road Jeeps. I tend to favor Metal Cloak a bit more personally for several reasons but you might find RK to be a better fit for you. I would start with that approach first.
07-29-2014 11:43 PM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
terrabit— I would first take a look at the shocks you plan on getting. When choosing the shocks try to think a little further down the road. Do you plan on going with a larger lift later? If your looking for more travel, then getting longer shocks, minimizing the bump stop size and cutting your fenders will do the trick. Honestly, I'm surprised your able to run 35" tires and keep your stock fenders on just a 2.5" kit. The first inexpensive step I would take if I were you would be to trim the fenders. After you do that, take it out on the trail and see how it handles, that might be enough for what your doing and you can call it a day.
Thanks! I actually just cut the fenders and replaced the shocks/extensions with some Rancho rs9000xl 29/30s.

I'm still interested in reducing as much bumpstop as possible. Thanks again for the reply.
07-29-2014 05:30 PM
mommymallcrawler
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Originally Posted by TJ Lyons View Post
I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
I see you are newer to the forum. Have you read the tire and lift info in the Tech sticky? All of it? You dont need a 3.5 inch lift to run 35 inch tires - 2.5 will work fine. Most of the better kits calculate that assuming after you add steel bumpers, winches and etc. If playing on rocks with 35 inch tires and you do not have a Rubicon with the D44 front (your post doesnt say) look at trussing your axles as well, especially the front D30. Over 2.5 you have possible drive shaft issues so the closer to that you can stay, should be able to buy you a little time before needing a new front drive shaft.
07-29-2014 05:06 PM
TJ Lyons
More Confused

I am more confused than ever!!!! I am not grasping all of this. I have an 07 2 door, 29,000 miles, 80% plus off road use, some very rough, lots of rocky roads and hills. Thought I knew what I wanted, TF 1256202, but I may have to add more $ and may not achieve my desired 3-3 1/2 inch lift with full weight is added. I find that MK has an upgradable kit with springs that will improve handling, and I can use my stock shocks until Nov (anniversary gift) but I will get so much height I would end up paying extra $$$. And it seems everyone has a different idea on what needs added and when. ARGGGG!!!!! I thought a $2000 budget would get me a decent, usable completed kit to run up to 35 inch tires. I am used to old pickups that if you gut them, you just go to the junkyard for replacements. My brain is dead from all of the reading! Please Help?
07-29-2014 08:32 AM
Matador
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
Sir Matador, first, thank you for your contributions. I read lots of stuff on this site and others and always appreciate what you have to say.

I have a 13' JKUR auto on 35" Toyo MTs with a 2.5" TF coil lift and track bar. Still using the stock Rubi shocks with TF extensions and the bump stops that came in the kit. It drives fine but I'd like to increase the travel a bit - I'd like to chuck the extra bumpstop if I can. Can I do that with the right shocks and cut fenders? I understand I'd get more down travel with MC or synergy springs.
terrabit— I would first take a look at the shocks you plan on getting. When choosing the shocks try to think a little further down the road. Do you plan on going with a larger lift later? If your looking for more travel, then getting longer shocks, minimizing the bump stop size and cutting your fenders will do the trick. Honestly, I'm surprised your able to run 35" tires and keep your stock fenders on just a 2.5" kit. The first inexpensive step I would take if I were you would be to trim the fenders. After you do that, take it out on the trail and see how it handles, that might be enough for what your doing and you can call it a day.

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Great read
thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Godfada View Post
So Matador is it safe to say that the AEV Dualsport XT 2.5” is my best bet for a 2014 JKU that will be doing 100% city and freeway? Will I need anything else keeping in mind that it will not off road? Will run 35" and aftermarket wheels, probably aftermarket bumpers to.

On our previous 2010 JKU we went all the way on a 4" lift kit, it was a mix of OME, long arms, adjustable everything and we hated it. The kit was around $2500...It was like driving a boat on the road... we want to make sure it doesn't happen again
The AEV kit is a pretty complete kit but I would look at adding the geometry correction brackets. I never understood why they don't throw that into the kit. I would also pick up the AEV procal to reprogram the ECU and take into account your larger tires. Finally, depending on where you live, the Bilstein shocks don't weather well in the northeast climate.
07-28-2014 09:19 PM
Godfada So Matador is it safe to say that the AEV Dualsport XT 2.5” is my best bet for a 2014 JKU that will be doing 100% city and freeway? Will I need anything else keeping in mind that it will not off road? Will run 35" and aftermarket wheels, probably aftermarket bumpers to.

On our previous 2010 JKU we went all the way on a 4" lift kit, it was a mix of OME, long arms, adjustable everything and we hated it. The kit was around $2500...It was like driving a boat on the road... we want to make sure it doesn't happen again
07-13-2014 09:19 PM
whis9 Great read
04-22-2014 09:02 PM
HK_Runner Put together some stuff I had and some stuff I ordered. Some of you know I was pretty unhappy with my RK lift on my JKR. It got better with time and replacing the RK stuff. This time (and it is a 4-door) I went with 3" Synergy springs, AEV drop brackets, Rancho 9000 XL shocks, etc. The ride is night and day (better). I may just switch shocks to the 5100s and see what it does but the Synergy coils and Rancho 9000 XL shocks, along with the AEV brackets, are fantastic.

This pic is not the best- the white makes the dark tires/wheels/asphalt blend in on the phone. Glad I went with the 3" coils.

04-22-2014 08:53 PM
terrabit Sir Matador, first, thank you for your contributions. I read lots of stuff on this site and others and always appreciate what you have to say.

I have a 13' JKUR auto on 35" Toyo MTs with a 2.5" TF coil lift and track bar. Still using the stock Rubi shocks with TF extensions and the bump stops that came in the kit. It drives fine but I'd like to increase the travel a bit - I'd like to chuck the extra bumpstop if I can. Can I do that with the right shocks and cut fenders? I understand I'd get more down travel with MC or synergy springs.
04-22-2014 05:21 PM
mittenman Thanks Matador, if I decide to go with Metal Cloak how long can I reasonably expect to drive without subjecting the other component to excessive wear before upgrading? The jeep is a manual transmission Rubicon so should have the 4.10 gear ratio.
04-22-2014 04:32 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by mittenman View Post
I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
First, let me ask you want gear ratio your running? 35" tires are a strain on a stock drive train, especially a Jeep that's 7 years old. Assuming your drivetrain can handle 35's lets talk about your lift choices.

You want something that can clear 35's, work with factory wheels, comfortable for city driving and capable for occasional off-roading... all while keeping the price down.

Believe it or not you have a very common wish list. If your on a budget, I would suggest lifting your Jeep in steps like I described, starting with a Teraflex leveling kit. Its not going to handle better but if you chop your fenders it will clear 35's.

If you want to invest some more money than you will want to look at kits with at least a 2.5" lift. I personally like Metal cloak, their dual rate spring system seems to fit your city comfort requirement while giving you great articulation off-road.
04-22-2014 01:22 PM
mittenman Bump
04-20-2014 10:03 PM
mittenman I recently bought a 2007 JKU Rubicon that I want to put 35' tires on. I had an 03" TJ a few years back that I put an OME lift on and 33" tires. I had the stiffer suspension kit with tire carrier and bumper on the back but stock fron bumper with half doors and soft top. The ride was firmer on city roads than I wanted but handled great doing light off roading. After reading thru this whole thread I have no idea what to put on JKU? I was leaning towards the TF lift but the Jeep has brand new tires and I cannot afford new wheels rright now. I want a suspension lift that will give me 2.5"-3" will work with factory wheels and be used primarily for in town driving. I want to minimize parts wear and have great handling around town with some upgrade in occasional off roading. What is the best lift to do that while keeping price down? Any ideas from the more experienced members is greatly appreciated.
03-31-2014 06:46 PM
Granite Rooster Just thinking out loud here. Current setup is the TF 2.5" coil lift with Bilstein 5100's and 315 Duratracs..
Plan is to eventually add bumbers and winch. I know the TF coils are soft enough that I will lose some height. So now the brainstorm starts...

1. Add just enough spacer to get it back to current height(shouldn't need add'l parts)
2. Upgrade to Metal cloak 2.5" springs because the get nearly 3.5" without added weight(may need track bar and control arms here)
3. Go up to 3.5" Metal cloak springs for badassery factor(will definately need the TB's and CA's here with possiblity of high steer kit)

What say the experts???
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