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06-21-2013 08:56 PM
JelloJeep Chassis Saver from napa. once you get to real bad spots taken care of this will take care of the rest
06-21-2013 08:51 PM
krisbman
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Originally Posted by JimsJeep View Post

I am a qualified welder (high pressure piping systems) who has been welding 43 years and know what heat and penetration is, I can blow thru a jeep frame no problem. Not talking about a commercial operation here and Never said it would match a 185.

It's just a good all around hobby/garage machine
In the hands of a skilled welder yes i agree it will work, however most people arent and shouldnt tackle frame welding/ repair with a light duty welder in my opinion. Bird shit welds+ frame= bad juju. Im not really disagreeing with you just if i had a choice im going to the 185 on anything other than sheet metal.
06-21-2013 08:42 PM
JimsJeep
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Originally Posted by krisbman View Post
Too each his own but i can gaurantee that we wouldnt use one on anything frame related. Its just not going to get adequate penetration. 110 just wont get hot enough and turned all the way up they still wont match the 185/ 220 volt
I am a qualified welder (high pressure piping systems) who has been welding 43 years and know what heat and penetration is, I can blow thru a jeep frame no problem. Not talking about a commercial operation here and Never said it would match a 185.

It's just a good all around hobby/garage machine
06-21-2013 08:25 PM
krisbman Too each his own but i can gaurantee that we wouldnt use one on anything frame related. Its just not going to get adequate penetration. 110 just wont get hot enough and turned all the way up they still wont match the 185/ 220 volt
06-21-2013 08:20 PM
JimsJeep
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Originally Posted by krisbman View Post
A 140 110volt machine is too light duty for frame welding. At minimum you would want a 185 220 volt machine. A miller 185 is a good compromise between both worlds. It will weld all but the heaviest stuff but on a vehicle theres nothing it couldnt handle. MIG... Metal Inert Gas.
For the OP thats an easy fix, we tackle stuff like that on a regular basis at my shop. $800 seems awfully high. We charge $50hr and i wouldnt think that would take less than a days labor total.
The 140 performs just fine welding a frame, I would not suggest it for everyday commercial work but for a garage machine it is quite suitable.
06-21-2013 08:00 PM
krisbman
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Originally Posted by JimsJeep View Post

The buzz box is arc welding and that does require a lot of practice to perfect. The MIG (machine inert gas) is a great garage welder. I have the Hobart 140 which is a 110V machine. A lot of people prefer a 220 machine but I am very happy with what I have.
A 140 110volt machine is too light duty for frame welding. At minimum you would want a 185 220 volt machine. A miller 185 is a good compromise between both worlds. It will weld all but the heaviest stuff but on a vehicle theres nothing it couldnt handle. MIG... Metal Inert Gas.
For the OP thats an easy fix, we tackle stuff like that on a regular basis at my shop. $800 seems awfully high. We charge $50hr and i wouldnt think that would take less than a days labor total.
06-21-2013 07:39 PM
JimsJeep
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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman View Post
Is the gas the key? I tried a few cheap buzz boxes with no success. The welds were exceptionally poor.
The buzz box is arc welding and that does require a lot of practice to perfect. The MIG (machine inert gas) is a great garage welder. I have the Hobart 140 which is a 110V machine. A lot of people prefer a 220 machine but I am very happy with what I have.
06-21-2013 07:14 PM
RevCo666
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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman View Post
Is the gas the key? I tried a few cheap buzz boxes with no success. The welds were exceptionally poor.
MIG welding is the ticket. Problem is finding a good welding machine with enough amps to do the proper job on thick metal. Most of the little machines only do up to 1/4 steel. Personally, if it (the welding machine) can do up to 3/8th then that should be perfect.
06-21-2013 07:11 PM
RevCo666
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Better pic
Yep, that looks about right!
06-21-2013 04:15 PM
WVU Mountainman Is the gas the key? I tried a few cheap buzz boxes with no success. The welds were exceptionally poor.
06-21-2013 04:13 PM
JimsJeep
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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman View Post
Sure did. If only I could weld like that... I think I need to learn how.
Not to hard with some practice, I picked it up pretty quick some 40 years ago. Look around for a basic Mig setup (with gas) They can be had for a reasonable price.
06-21-2013 04:04 PM
WVU Mountainman
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Look Ma no rust. Nice Job, That worked out great.
Sure did. If only I could weld like that... I think I need to learn how.
06-21-2013 03:48 PM
JimsJeep Look Ma no rust. Nice Job, That worked out great.
06-21-2013 03:18 PM
WVU Mountainman Better pic
06-21-2013 03:17 PM
WVU Mountainman Quality work. I'm very pleased. I like the idea of the safety cap as well. I will look into it for future needs.
06-21-2013 03:11 PM
dlm32067
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Originally Posted by RevCo666 View Post
Another less costly option:

Safe-T-Cap - Auto Rust Technicians
I'm glad you found a reasonable solution, but I second the comment about the Safe-T-Cap. It's a great product. My frame looked a lot like yours when I bought mine.

David
06-21-2013 11:00 AM
WVU Mountainman
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Originally Posted by RevCo666 View Post

Awesome man, nice to be able to save a few bucks and not sacrifice quality work.
Absolutely!!!
06-21-2013 09:37 AM
RevCo666
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Originally Posted by WVU Mountainman View Post
I just found a local guy who is going to do it for $200. I think this a a great deal. He is going to have it all done today. I will post a picture of the finished patch
Awesome man, nice to be able to save a few bucks and not sacrifice quality work.
06-21-2013 09:36 AM
JimsJeep That sounds more like it.
06-21-2013 09:34 AM
WVU Mountainman I just found a local guy who is going to do it for $200. I think this a a great deal. He is going to have it all done today. I will post a picture of the finished patch
06-20-2013 03:00 PM
All Terrain JK I did the safty-cap repair on my son's TJ from the front body mount all the way back both sides for about $650. Took him and I several days and a lot of sweat.


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06-20-2013 02:39 PM
RevCo666
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Originally Posted by Crby77 View Post
I have my jeep with them as we speak. 2200 for the entire right side, partial left, and floor to frame brackets.
Ok, but my point is the OP appears to have as much work to do to his jeep then yours, as a result, the costs should be a lot lower then 800$
06-20-2013 12:55 PM
Crby77
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Originally Posted by RevCo666 View Post
Another less costly option:

Safe-T-Cap - Auto Rust Technicians
I have my jeep with them as we speak. 2200 for the entire right side, partial left, and floor to frame brackets.
06-20-2013 08:27 AM
RevCo666 Another less costly option:

Safe-T-Cap - Auto Rust Technicians
06-20-2013 08:21 AM
DarrenT Jeeps are like Land Rovers, welding goes hand in hand with ownership......
From some rather questionable welding abilities a few years ago, I have gained much experience and now find myself looking for an opportunity to weld
06-20-2013 07:56 AM
UnlimitedLJ04 buy this:
Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP - MIG Wire Welder - GMAW - Miller Welding

and this:
Heavy Duty 4-1/2" Angle Grinder

grind all the paint off, clean up the rust, cut the holes open until you get to solid steel, then weld patches in place.

Jeep Frame repair - YouTube
06-20-2013 07:30 AM
DarrenT $800 isn't steep.... It's daylight bloody robbery!!!

To remove the control arm bracket completely, clean up, patch and replace bracket I'd expect no more than three hours of work..... Chuck in maximum $80 for materials and I'd expect a shop to charge around $300 all in, certainly no more.
Unfortunately, as I learned the hard way, Jeep frames rust like a real SOB. But there is no way on god's delightfully green earth that repair would cost you $800. He's clearly throwing out a high price because he doesn't want the work.
06-19-2013 07:31 PM
WVU Mountainman
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Originally Posted by JimsJeep View Post
Except for that spot the frame looks good, maybe you could search craigslist for a mobil welding service. I know there are quite a few in my area. $800 is pretty steep.
Thank you. I will look. The rest of the frame looks really good except for surface rust under the transfer case skid. I need to scrape that off and paint as well.
06-19-2013 07:13 PM
JimsJeep Except for that spot the frame looks good, maybe you could search craigslist for a mobil welding service. I know there are quite a few in my area. $800 is pretty steep.
06-19-2013 07:02 PM
WVU Mountainman
Frame rust help.

Well I found some rust on my frame today. First time I have seen it actually it must have been hiding as Ive spent more time underneath it than driving it . No shops locally in WV will repair it or welding shops due to liability issues. The only shop I did find quoted my $800 to do it as a side job. I feel this is too much. What are my options? Just to help everyone get oriented, the picture shows the front lower control arm mount passenger side. Drivers side has no issues.

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