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Today 09:03 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Which bolts/nuts are you talking about? You probably need 1 5/16" then. It's a big wrench and kinda awkward but it ain't too bad. Assuming you've got currie steering?
Rubicon Express 3.5" super flex lift and Synergy tie rod with Fox steering stabilizer.
Today 08:17 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Zombiehunta666 View Post
13/16 and 21mm are pretty small for what's on mine. I have a 27 and 32 and neither one fit. Can't quite remember if the one I needed was bigger then 32 or between 27-32. Either way the adjustable wrench I tried to use was to big in terms of the handle.
Which bolts/nuts are you talking about? You probably need 1 5/16" then. It's a big wrench and kinda awkward but it ain't too bad. Assuming you've got currie steering?
Today 07:47 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Motorcycles get High speed Death Wobbles "Tank Slappers" It usually has to do with the Caster, Trail and Steering Head angles. It is usually cured by the addition of a damper. If you think a death wobble is scary in a jeep you ought to experience it at 130 on a motorcycle.
That and steering head bearings.
Today 07:46 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by JoeBot13 View Post
I can get a 3/4" drive needle torque wrench into the tight places ... I'll use that and a box wrench
13/16 and 21mm are pretty small for what's on mine. I have a 27 and 32 and neither one fit. Can't quite remember if the one I needed was bigger then 32 or between 27-32. Either way the adjustable wrench I tried to use was to big in terms of the handle.
Today 07:32 PM
Gunner Hahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ1srcQMa_0
Today 07:28 PM
HDgasser
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Motorcycles get High speed Death Wobbles "Tank Slappers" It usually has to do with the Caster, Trail and Steering Head angles. It is usually cured by the addition of a damper. If you think a death wobble is scary in a jeep you ought to experience it at 130 on a motorcycle.
Speed wobbles @ 100mph on a dirt bike in the middle of the desert.... Scariest moment of my life.

I might have even pooped a lil... Just sayin.
Today 07:25 PM
Gunner Well it is proper for a race bike so you have quick turn in on the corners. But on the long straights when you wind it up then the geometry is compromised for high speed. Then the damper comes into play. Some of the very best ones are tunable on the fly depending on your part of the track.
Today 07:16 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Motorcycles get High speed Death Wobbles "Tank Slappers" It usually has to do with the Caster, Trail and Steering Head angles. It is usually cured by the addition of a damper. If you think a death wobble is scary in a jeep you ought to experience it at 130 on a motorcycle.
Lol so I've heard but with proper geometry you wouldn't have to worry about the dampener like you said.
Today 07:14 PM
Gunner Motorcycles get High speed Death Wobbles "Tank Slappers" It usually has to do with the Caster, Trail and Steering Head angles. It is usually cured by the addition of a damper. If you think a death wobble is scary in a jeep you ought to experience it at 130 on a motorcycle.
Today 06:33 PM
JoeBot13
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Originally Posted by Zombiehunta666 View Post
I find that I cant get a big wrench on half that stuff. Maybe its a jk problem if your getting torque wrenches on...
I can get a 3/4" drive needle torque wrench into the tight places ... I'll use that and a box wrench
Today 06:10 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Zombiehunta666 View Post
I find that I cant get a big wrench on half that stuff. Maybe its a jk problem if your getting torque wrenches on...
I've torqued everything on mine before it's not that hard man. Even if you just do German torque specs (good-n-tight) and use big boxed end wrenches, 13/16 fits most of it, or a 21mm. Most the jam nuts I use, not factory stuff, are 1 5/16". That's for my rear control arms, what will be on my new 1 ton steering, and track bar.
Today 06:01 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post

Check all your steering joints with big channel locks. If you can compress the joint any significant amount (more that a 1/16", obviously the more movement the worse) keep an eye on it and probably time to start getting some replacements, drag link ends/tierod ends are what I'm talking about. Check the holes where the trac bar mounts and see if they are ovaled any and check the heim and bushing on the track bar. What I do to check is have someone in the driver seat with the engine running and turn from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock back and forth at a decent speed to look for any movement, then I grab the drag link first and see if it resonates thru it. Then the tie rod, and then the track bar. You might feel a clunk on any one of them or all of them. But if it's steering related you won't feel it in the track bar and vise versa. But also if you've got multiple worn out parts they can compound together. Best thing is check everything, then torque everything to spec, and then check it again using the person steering it while you feel and listen for loose or work components. When I mean everything that's control arms and all when it comes to torquing everything.
I find that I cant get a big wrench on half that stuff. Maybe its a jk problem if your getting torque wrenches on...
Today 05:38 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by RKCWLER View Post
Then, please, let us know. I have not had DW since I replaced the track bar. I have the RE track bar. I replace the axle side bolt about two months ago with a true 10mm. But I am getting a little bit now. Not much to worry about though. Everything is tight.
Check all your steering joints with big channel locks. If you can compress the joint any significant amount (more that a 1/16", obviously the more movement the worse) keep an eye on it and probably time to start getting some replacements, drag link ends/tierod ends are what I'm talking about. Check the holes where the trac bar mounts and see if they are ovaled any and check the heim and bushing on the track bar. What I do to check is have someone in the driver seat with the engine running and turn from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock back and forth at a decent speed to look for any movement, then I grab the drag link first and see if it resonates thru it. Then the tie rod, and then the track bar. You might feel a clunk on any one of them or all of them. But if it's steering related you won't feel it in the track bar and vise versa. But also if you've got multiple worn out parts they can compound together. Best thing is check everything, then torque everything to spec, and then check it again using the person steering it while you feel and listen for loose or work components. When I mean everything that's control arms and all when it comes to torquing everything.
Today 05:09 PM
RKCWLER
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
The steering dampener/stabilizer is to minimize bump steer. It's when you have worn out steering components or track bar issues that you start getting death wobble. I'm still waiting on stand to offer his expert opinion on how he diagnoses death wobble, shimmys, and shakes. Not starting a pissing contest, just trying to get accurate info out there to educate everyone else. Hoarding knowledge is useless.
Then, please, let us know.
I have not had DW since I replaced the track bar. I have the RE track bar. I replace the axle side bolt about two months ago with a true 10mm. But I am getting a little bit now. Not much to worry about though. Everything is tight.
Today 03:57 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I did a flipped Currie on mine with a Bilstein I believe. It works really good at high speed. I've hit serious ruts at 100 and it just ignored it.
The steering dampener/stabilizer is to minimize bump steer. It's when you have worn out steering components or track bar issues that you start getting death wobble. I'm still waiting on stand to offer his expert opinion on how he diagnoses death wobble, shimmys, and shakes. Not starting a pissing contest, just trying to get accurate info out there to educate everyone else. Hoarding knowledge is useless.
Today 03:44 PM
Gunner I did a flipped Currie on mine with a Bilstein I believe. It works really good at high speed. I've hit serious ruts at 100 and it just ignored it.
Today 02:29 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
You guys should have follow my lead and accept death wobble as part of life and enjoy a burrito and beer while you drive down the highway.
Haha. :2thumbsup:
Today 01:23 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by XJ_Phil View Post
I have a good time breaking stuff......we should get together
I work for beer and food lol nah the guys on post I don't mind helping just because we are so secluded from everything and half the time I'm teaching them about it, showing them how to do trail fixes and showing them how everything works. I ain't in it for the money, it's to build the sport and community.
Today 01:09 PM
XJ_Phil Maybe I should reword that.....seems like often times, when I have a really good time in the Jeep, something ends up getting broken
Today 01:06 PM
XJ_Phil
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Nah I enjoy fixing stuff lol

I have a good time breaking stuff......we should get together
Today 12:59 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
You guys should have follow my lead and accept death wobble as part of life and enjoy a burrito and beer.
Nah I enjoy fixing stuff lol
Today 12:19 PM
Ditchdoc You guys should have follow my lead and accept death wobble as part of life and enjoy a burrito and beer.
Today 08:27 AM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by JPi1 View Post
So jeep installs steering dampeners on new jeeps because they have extra parts laying around and they add that sophisticated look?
Stan tell me how you would diagnose his death wobble, such as the steps. After you give us your incite, I'll explain why you should NOT need a steering dampener.
Today 07:39 AM
JPi1
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Oh I totally agree the factory setups are a rich shy away from death wobble but Doug's jeep I went thru the front end and found some worn parts that are causing it. Going to a crossover style steering is the best route, and I believe TJs, XJs, ZJs, and LJs came with an inverted y-link which if done correctly isn't that bad. Once you lift it and cause a steep angle on the drag link you're screwed. Adding a beefy steering stabilizer or hydro assist will just hide worn parts, masking issues instead of fixing the worn parts. A correctly set up steering doesn't need a dampener.
So jeep installs steering dampeners on new jeeps because they have extra parts laying around and they add that sophisticated look?
Today 12:13 AM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by aw12345 View Post
The factory Jeep steering is a bandaid when the Jeep gets lifted and Zombie is right for once. Hydroassist is about the best steering dampner out there that money can by and guess what it makes steering a ton easier in the rocks. True hi steer makes a lot of this death wobble crap go away. I guees the stock Jeep steering is called inverted T and it's setup doesn't like it all that much when you make the angle of the draglink steeper. Look at YJ's they hardly ever suffer from death wobble
Oh I totally agree the factory setups are a rich shy away from death wobble but Doug's jeep I went thru the front end and found some worn parts that are causing it. Going to a crossover style steering is the best route, and I believe TJs, XJs, ZJs, and LJs came with an inverted y-link which if done correctly isn't that bad. Once you lift it and cause a steep angle on the drag link you're screwed. Adding a beefy steering stabilizer or hydro assist will just hide worn parts, masking issues instead of fixing the worn parts. A correctly set up steering doesn't need a dampener.
Today 12:06 AM
Lab Lover The emergency phone call from my daughter tonight had me thinking it was baby time. Unfortunately it was due to her beloved dog Flash being horribly injured. Looks like he was chasing something on the property and got caught on something, his entire side was ripped open. Thank god no internal organs were hit. A night stay at the emergency ER, a lot of stitches and $1,000. vet bill and he will be okay. Now to see if all the excitement causes Amanda to
go into labor. I think I better get some sleep while I have a chance.
Yesterday 11:55 PM
aw12345
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post
Bandaid and cause more damage?
The factory Jeep steering is a bandaid when the Jeep gets lifted and Zombie is right for once. Hydroassist is about the best steering dampner out there that money can by and guess what it makes steering a ton easier in the rocks.
True hi steer makes a lot of this death wobble crap go away. I guees the stock Jeep steering is called inverted T and it's setup doesn't like it all that much when you make the angle of the draglink steeper. Look at YJ's they hardly ever suffer from death wobble
Yesterday 09:39 PM
iwaxmyjimmy
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Originally Posted by Ditchdoc View Post
Death wobble is to complicated of a subject for me. I'm gonna go make a "everything burrito"
It's not that bad, he's got a heim on the track bar that's toast, the mounting holes are a little ovaled, drag link ends(that one is pretty shot the other is starting to go out), and that's about it. There are very easy ways to diagnose this stuff if you know what you're looking at and understand it.
Yesterday 09:34 PM
Ditchdoc
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Originally Posted by Zombiehunta666 View Post
Death wobble? Install hydro assist.
Death wobble is to complicated of a subject for me. I'm gonna go make a "everything burrito"
Yesterday 07:24 PM
Zombiehunta666
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Originally Posted by iwaxmyjimmy View Post

bandaid and cause more damage?
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