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07-02-2013 06:57 PM
Tweak Deleted
07-02-2013 06:46 PM
Silverton34
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
I truly do not have a problem with the front to back angles that result from uneven weight. My problem is with the side to side angles for which there is no explanation. There was no "JK lean" with stock springs. How would the addition of springs from another manufacturer result in a lean? My assumption is inconsistent spring rates - in effect, poor quality control.
Swap the springs side to side and see what you get. If it leans the other way call Teraflex, if it leans the same as now call Jeep.
07-02-2013 06:40 PM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post
I truly do not have a problem with the front to back angles that result from uneven weight. My problem is with the side to side angles for which there is no explanation. There was no "JK lean" with stock springs. How would the addition of springs from another manufacturer result in a lean? My assumption is inconsistent spring rates - in effect, poor quality control.
x1000. Funny how "jk lean" was caused by aftermarket springs.
07-02-2013 03:32 PM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by Silverton34 View Post
Can you imagine how difficult it is for a retailer, (Teraflex in this instance) to dial in a front and rear set of springs without even the basic knowledge of how much weight the owner is going to hang on the front,,,,, or rear,,,,, or both,,,,,, or leave it stock? All this with the desire to not have an unhappy customer in ANY of these scenarios? My front bumper and winch weigh 190lbs, my rear bumper is stock (so far) and could go 250 lbs with bumper, spare tire carrier and larger wheel and spare.

Good job Teraflex, your packages are always REALLY close to perfect!
I truly do not have a problem with the front to back angles that result from uneven weight. My problem is with the side to side angles for which there is no explanation. There was no "JK lean" with stock springs. How would the addition of springs from another manufacturer result in a lean? My assumption is inconsistent spring rates - in effect, poor quality control.
07-02-2013 02:06 AM
Tweak have you thought about the RK spring angle wedges? they should give you a tiny bit in the back and help with any bowing.
Rock Krawler Suspension RK02659 - Rock Krawler Rear Coil Spring Correction Wedges for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

plus they are like $25 so if that doesnt fix it who cares.
07-01-2013 11:43 PM
JK10A
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Originally Posted by Silverton34 View Post
Can you imagine how difficult it is for a retailer, (Teraflex in this instance) to dial in a front and rear set of springs without even the basic knowledge of how much weight the owner is going to hang on the front,,,,, or rear,,,,, or both,,,,,, or leave it stock? All this with the desire to not have an unhappy customer in ANY of these scenarios? My front bumper and winch weigh 190lbs, my rear bumper is stock (so far) and could go 250 lbs with bumper, spare tire carrier and larger wheel and spare.

Good job Teraflex, your packages are always REALLY close to perfect!
Spot on...

I have the teraflex on my Jeep 10A. It sags in the rear, but Teraflex could not account for the solid steel bumpers, 35x12.50 spare, and heavy tire carrier. I'm off about 1.5" from front. Also, I will be installing a 1" coil spacer in rear to compensate. easy fix!
07-01-2013 11:17 PM
n3tfury
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Originally Posted by Silverton34 View Post
Can you imagine how difficult it is for a retailer, (Teraflex in this instance) to dial in a front and rear set of springs without even the basic knowledge of how much weight the owner is going to hang on the front,,,,, or rear,,,,, or both,,,,,, or leave it stock? All this with the desire to not have an unhappy customer in ANY of these scenarios? My front bumper and winch weigh 190lbs, my rear bumper is stock (so far) and could go 250 lbs with bumper, spare tire carrier and larger wheel and spare.

Good job Teraflex, your packages are always REALLY close to perfect!
Great point and well said.
07-01-2013 08:20 PM
Silverton34 Can you imagine how difficult it is for a retailer, (Teraflex in this instance) to dial in a front and rear set of springs without even the basic knowledge of how much weight the owner is going to hang on the front,,,,, or rear,,,,, or both,,,,,, or leave it stock? All this with the desire to not have an unhappy customer in ANY of these scenarios? My front bumper and winch weigh 190lbs, my rear bumper is stock (so far) and could go 250 lbs with bumper, spare tire carrier and larger wheel and spare.

Good job Teraflex, your packages are always REALLY close to perfect!
06-30-2013 05:44 PM
brianb
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Originally Posted by J33P4M3 View Post
lookin good Brian
Thanks buddy, I only get to drive it every once in a while. I bought it for my wife to haul the kiddos around. I keep telling her I'm gonna trade her my f250 but she says it isn't gonna happen.
06-30-2013 04:25 PM
J33P4M3 lookin good Brian
06-30-2013 01:09 PM
brianb Attachment 267092
06-30-2013 12:37 PM
brianb All I can say is Dammit. I put a 1/2" spacer in the back as well as 1.25" body lift with my 2.5" teraflex coil lift, and this thing looks awesome. One spot I'm not crazy about is the rear bumper between it and the license plate, but I'm changing the bumpers out at the same time I do the flat fenders and it will be fine.

Attachment 267083
06-24-2013 02:58 PM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf View Post
A body lift can do what you want...within reason. To me, they don't look good on a JK, and they carry a risk beyond a certain height.

I understand the reasoning for them, but wouldn't install one on my Jeep. My advice: buy a lift that puts your Jeep where you want it to be in the first place...

To my mind, if you bought a lift, and subsequently want more height, you either didn't do your homework, or you're just going by dick length. Neither of which is good.

driveshafts trackbars and control arms, make that big lift expensive to do right. I also bought my jeep with a 2.5 inch lift and didnt get to choose it. And apparently it doesnt even sag i just need different fenders
06-24-2013 12:47 PM
Barmanvarn At least he's honest.
06-24-2013 12:45 PM
kjeeper10 Ahhhh
06-24-2013 12:17 PM
TeraFlex LOL, I know, it was her Jeep and she choose the lift and wanted the 3 link. She did buy it before I started working here.
06-24-2013 11:13 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by TeraFlex View Post
By "settle" we mean they will shorten in height as weight is added to the Jeep. However, the Jeep should never sag below 2.5" of lift when measured to the bottom of the frame, on a 2.5" lift kit. Also remember guys the front and rear fenders are not the same shape, all lift measurements have to be take at the frame for this reason.

The JK lean happens on all sorts of lifts. My best friend has Metal Cloak his leans passenger, My wife runs Rock Krawler her's has a lean and even my stock 2 door with 1500 miles on it leans to the passenger side on stock springs, but it is much harder to tell. As I mentioned before there is always a chance for something to slip past QC and we will happily warranty out items that are no longer performing the way they should.
Your wife runs what

Sorry.... I had to :P
06-24-2013 10:02 AM
legitposter edit: never mind. Just drive your jeep and enjoy it. A lean is a lean is a lean.
06-24-2013 09:17 AM
TeraFlex By "settle" we mean they will shorten in height as weight is added to the Jeep. However, the Jeep should never sag below 2.5" of lift when measured to the bottom of the frame, on a 2.5" lift kit. Also remember guys the front and rear fenders are not the same shape, all lift measurements have to be take at the frame for this reason.

The JK lean happens on all sorts of lifts. My best friend has Metal Cloak his leans passenger, My wife runs Rock Krawler her's has a lean and even my stock 2 door with 1500 miles on it leans to the passenger side on stock springs, but it is much harder to tell. As I mentioned before there is always a chance for something to slip past QC and we will happily warranty out items that are no longer performing the way they should.
06-23-2013 10:56 PM
Flint_Holbrook
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Kudos on digging out the HS physics book, but those equations are all for "ideal" components, which you will not find in real life. If everything worked according to hooks law there would be no need for replacement springs.

The facts of life are:
1) springs can be over compressed or tensioned
2) metal fatigues
3) the base and top of the spring aren't "springs" per say, so that portion may deform (read: flatten to the perch) and cause the spring to shorten.
I acknowledge these real world issues but not for springs 3 weeks old! I follow you on the wear and tear on the springs especially over years of use. I have a set of front springs on my 2003 super duty with 405K miles that will need to be replace soon. I understand your points. The OP says the springs he installed have been in use 3 weeks.
06-22-2013 07:54 PM
brianb
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Originally Posted by terrabit View Post

Why is it that my 13' JKUR did not have the "dreaded JK lean" until after installing Teraflex coils? It had the same gas tank before the lift. I don't buy this explanation and I'm not at all happy with the end result. If this is so common, why isn't there any mention of it in your literature? It wouldn't be so disappointing if I had any inclination that this might occur. I'm tempted to pull all the TF tuff off and install a Metalcloak lift of the same dimensions just to see if the "dreaded JK lean" occurs with their springs.
I am very pleased with the ride from my Teraflex, but if I change it, I too will be installing a Metalcloak lift. I kinda wish I would have went that route, but the Teraflex will do for now.
06-22-2013 07:40 PM
terrabit
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Originally Posted by TeraFlex View Post
While bad springs do happen my first inclination is to look at the lean. The front to rear differences happen from the shape of the fenders. The left to right difference is def. in line with the dreaded JK lean. Unfortunately there isn't a solid way to fix this as there are so many factors that go into the lean, the largest of which is the gas tank.
Why is it that my 13' JKUR did not have the "dreaded JK lean" until after installing Teraflex coils? It had the same gas tank before the lift. I don't buy this explanation and I'm not at all happy with the end result. If this is so common, why isn't there any mention of it in your literature? It wouldn't be so disappointing if I had any inclination that this might occur. I'm tempted to pull all the TF tuff off and install a Metalcloak lift of the same dimensions just to see if the "dreaded JK lean" occurs with their springs.
06-22-2013 07:21 PM
brianb
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Originally Posted by Vin View Post

I think we need a wider shot of the whole side., but I think it's like I said and you are used to seeing the same distance between the tires and fenders instead of it being totally level.
Your probably right. I'm going to put the spacers in the rear and that should fix it. Thanks for all the replies fellas.
06-22-2013 06:22 PM
Vin
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Originally Posted by brianb View Post
Rear
I think we need a wider shot of the whole side., but I think it's like I said and you are used to seeing the same distance between the tires and fenders instead of it being totally level.
06-22-2013 06:20 PM
Vin
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Originally Posted by J33P4M3 View Post

that looks perfectly fine to me
Thanks. Keep in mind I do have a winch and there is more room between my front fender/tire than the rear. I think the OP's rug is the same, maybe a bit taller up front because there is no winxh.
06-22-2013 05:45 PM
J33P4M3 fact is he bought a Teraflex lift that wasn't supposed to create a reverse rake.
06-22-2013 05:40 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
What is the jk lean? This is the first time i have ever heard of this. Why would a side to side lean ever be normal?

I have a reverse rake on my JK. I hate it. I don't know what lift kit i have though, was planning on going to a 4" lift in the near future to fix it.



I had a dealership that used to be a jeep dealer until a couple of years ago (but all the same people still work there, even though its a mazda dealer now), tell me that i "only" had a suspension lift and that i should "upgrade" to a big body lift. I was seriously looking into a 1 inch body lift to improve clearance though. With a 4 inch spring lift and a 1 inch body lift would have 5 inches of lift.
A body lift can do what you want...within reason. To me, they don't look good on a JK, and they carry a risk beyond a certain height.

I understand the reasoning for them, but wouldn't install one on my Jeep. My advice: buy a lift that puts your Jeep where you want it to be in the first place...

To my mind, if you bought a lift, and subsequently want more height, you either didn't do your homework, or you're just going by dick length. Neither of which is good.
06-22-2013 04:44 PM
brianb Rear
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06-22-2013 04:44 PM
michiganadam Rear?
06-22-2013 04:39 PM
brianb Front.

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