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03-22-2014 12:34 AM
GunnOne Soooo....whatever happened when you took it out? I have been debating on whether or not to try this lift out. But I have so much money in my sua. I was hoping to see some flex shots, and see if rro soa is worth it?
03-05-2014 01:02 PM
YJkiddo ATX. Share some pics and also a possible update on this buold?
01-26-2014 04:09 PM
ATX-RENEGADE I have been running this kit since 2006 without any issues...all though Im a mall crawler.
I added 4-5" lift springs as well.
10-31-2013 03:04 PM
theYeti You take it out anymore? Any new pics?
10-14-2013 12:02 PM
Gothere
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Originally Posted by theYeti View Post
You get to take it out this weekend?
Well got the locker in and working correctly, still looking for the right shocks to use.

I did get it out on the street to test drive it a few miles, didn't get it in the dirt yet, bummer! The ride on the street wasn't too bad, but with no shocks yet. I was afraid the ride would be very stiff with little flex, while it wasn't a buckboard ride it wasn't as soft as I had hoped for for flex. Looking for the right shocks to put under it this week and trying to get some guys together for next weekend to take out to a local trail for its first real test. Would love to find an RTI ramp around here to check on the flex of it, I may get it out later today and find some area to place it on an angle though.

Will take pics and post up if I get it out today.
10-13-2013 03:51 PM
theYeti You get to take it out this weekend?
10-10-2013 08:27 AM
Gothere Well got the shear pins from the 4x4 shop here, it's looking like soonest to get it back installed is Friday after work....still pushing to get it out on the road this weekend...
10-08-2013 08:35 PM
theYeti
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Originally Posted by Gothere View Post
Got the rig completed and was backing it down the drive I noticed the rear tires were screaching and screaming on any little turn. Pulled it back in and jacked up the rear pulled the new lock right, all 4 shear pins were sheared, don't know why this would happen on a new unit, but a little delay before the test of the lift kit. Will probably have new shear pins on Wed. Hopefully still out on a trail by the weekend...
I know the feeling man, I feel like every time I pull out the driveway there's something I need to fix.
10-07-2013 10:54 PM
Gothere Got the rig completed and was backing it down the drive I noticed the rear tires were screaching and screaming on any little turn. Pulled it back in and jacked up the rear pulled the new lock right, all 4 shear pins were sheared, don't know why this would happen on a new unit, but a little delay before the test of the lift kit. Will probably have new shear pins on Wed. Hopefully still out on a trail by the weekend...
10-07-2013 08:30 PM
OverkillYJ
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Originally Posted by banks316 View Post

Yea im easy on my jeep cause there is no reason to be rough with it. I walk through 95% of the stuff in my area. Also I dont live in a dry area. Here in the Pacific Northwest it rains 300 days a year.
Ah. You said Moab so I figured you were closer then 1000 miles to it. Btw, it rains just as much in pa and ny in regards to inches, you guys just never see the sun. Either way, I hit deep water and mud constantly, cv joints do not like that. Any driveline shop will tell you not to sink them in crawl or they will fail. If you trailer your rig you can get away with it a lot more since your driveshaft isn't hot as hell when you get on the trail, but the heat from driving to the trails thins the grease a bit and makes them suck water in quite a bit more.
10-07-2013 05:05 PM
banks316
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Originally Posted by OverkillYJ View Post

Yeah, you are in a dry area and light on the skinny pedal. I beat the living crap out of my Jeep, hit lot of deep mud and water. The center joint on the CV shaft is a weak spot. Once they get hot they suck in moisture. There is nothing special about that joint. It is the same as a Ujoint Cap setup. If you beat it it will die. My angle is well under 30 degrees too. I have spent too much time and money in this department. The biggest problem with that center cap though is that there is a relief hole in it for when you grease it. That hole is where the water comes in. After switching to marine grease this one has lasted the longest, but is getting closer to dying.

I should also say if you are SOA without a traction bar and have no axle wrap you are definitely pretty easy on it. I startedi getting axle wrap after about 500 miles after doing an SOA setup before I fabricated a traction bar and redid the springs.
Yea im easy on my jeep cause there is no reason to be rough with it. I walk through 95% of the stuff in my area. Also I dont live in a dry area. Here in the Pacific Northwest it rains 300 days a year.
10-07-2013 03:51 PM
OverkillYJ
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Originally Posted by banks316 View Post
You must be doing something wrong. I have my 1310 CV for over 3 years with no issues and im running 37's with no traction bar. I wheel my jeep 2-3 times a month on 90% rocks and its still my DD. Hell Ive made two tips to Moab, including the 2100 miles round trip on the pavement, and one trip to the Rubicon. Im starting to get alot of axle wrap now the springs are broke in. But still havnt even rebuilt my CV.

Also on another note RRO has some sh!!ty customer service
Yeah, you are in a dry area and light on the skinny pedal. I beat the living crap out of my Jeep, hit lot of deep mud and water. The center joint on the CV shaft is a weak spot. Once they get hot they suck in moisture. There is nothing special about that joint. It is the same as a Ujoint Cap setup. If you beat it it will die. My angle is well under 30 degrees too. I have spent too much time and money in this department. The biggest problem with that center cap though is that there is a relief hole in it for when you grease it. That hole is where the water comes in. After switching to marine grease this one has lasted the longest, but is getting closer to dying.

I should also say if you are SOA without a traction bar and have no axle wrap you are definitely pretty easy on it. I started getting axle wrap after about 500 miles after doing an SOA setup before I fabricated a traction bar and redid the springs.
10-07-2013 11:26 AM
Gothere Next up, how dos the kit perform?

Well this may be a week or 2 before I get time to test it out, good thing is temps here in AZ are getting cooler and going out to wheel here right now is tolerable temp wise. I will post up on how it performs as soon as I get out.

Hope this last write up helps someone to make an informed decision on this product???
10-07-2013 11:19 AM
Gothere Customer service is O.K. IMO.

Lets start at the ordering of the kit. I read a few posts by some and I was leary of the company, but after I decided to order the kit I wanted to make sure I wasn’t waiting 2 months to get it.

Didn’t order it from internet site, I called and talked to them about the order. I specifically mentioned that I did not want to wait for parts on backorder. If anyone plans to order this kit, call and ask if all components are in and ready to be shipped. RRO was up front with me about this, while ordering he checked to see if all components were in.

I was planning to get the shocks with the kit, but RRO mentioned that the shocks were on backorder for 2-4 weeks and that would hold up shipping of the kit until the shocks came into RRO. My choices were order and wait for shocks, order and get the kit in one shipment and shocks in another (paying for extra shipping cost), or not getting the shocks. I didn’t get the shocks.

Once the ordering is done keep RRO honest. I ordered on a wed. and by Fri. I still had no tracking #, called to see what was up, seems that they were waiting on brake lines??? Thought he said all parts were in??? I was told they got them in and it would ship out on Mon. It did and I received my stuff on Fri. of that week. Don’t know how much was and wasn’t B.S. but in the end got my stuff sooner than I was bracing for.

Were they helpful during the install?

Well I called RRO a handful of times on tech issues, no real ground breaking advice, just a reaffirmation of what I thought I had to do on a particular problem.

On getting some missed parts (bolts etc..) I got to say they worked hard to replace them in a timely manner at no cost or shipping fee’s. RRO’s customer service at this level is O.K. to good, but if I had a larger complaint, such as when RRO told me to grind a part down, if you do something like that and the part becomes unserviceable, I would suspect that even after following RRO’s directions, the customer would be out of luck with RRO sending you a replacement part.

RRO could have a good little thing going here if they just worked on these area’s.
Better tech advice, stand 100% behind their product, better instructions, and drop the all bolt on crap, it is about 90-95% bolt on, but your gonna do some welding.

I noticed a lot of guys out there looking at this kit, but with RRO’s hesitancy to not really stand behind their product, people are rightly nervous about ordering this kit.
10-07-2013 10:42 AM
banks316
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Originally Posted by OverkillYJ View Post
Hope you didn't get a cv shaft. If you did I hope you are building a mall crawler. I am about to kill my 3rd one in a year. Going to put in a non cv shaft with 1350 joint after this one dies. Tired of spending money and driving home on the front wheels alone
You must be doing something wrong. I have my 1310 CV for over 3 years with no issues and im running 37's with no traction bar. I wheel my jeep 2-3 times a month on 90% rocks and its still my DD. Hell Ive made two tips to Moab, including the 2100 miles round trip on the pavement, and one trip to the Rubicon. Im starting to get alot of axle wrap now the springs are broke in. But still havnt even rebuilt my CV.

Also on another note RRO has some sh!!ty customer service
10-07-2013 10:23 AM
Gothere The install…
For the most part the install was O.K. There were 3 real issues with installing the overall kit, 2 on the lift, and 1 on the OTT.
On the lift,
1-RRO can you please spend a little more $ on your instructions! Not that anyone couldn’t figure it all out, but the last thing I want to do when installing equipment is to puzzle it together. Just replace the wordy directions with some friggin pictures, especially of the exact parts. This is not rocket science but you could cut the install time down quite a bit if you had more detailed pictures and less wordy instructions. After a little while the instructions were trashed.

2- Once the lift kit was fully installed I measured the angle for the driveline, hoping that it might be in tolerances to not have to rotate the pinion, or maybe it was just out and all I would need was some shims to correct driveline angle. NOPE! Called RRO to see what they recommended for driveline angle. RRO said to grind down the front portion of the lift so that the axle would rotate up. Well, not going to do that. Short of it was I ended up getting some welding done on relocating the rear spring perches in order to aling my rear pinion to point at the TC. RRO should stop telling people that this kit is 100% bolt on, luckily I also added a front tow bar to the jeep and I was able to tow it down to Desert Fab to get the welding done. I think RRO sets up their customers for failure by not telling them you will have to do this.

On the OTT.
If you look back at my earlier post on the OTT, you can see the issue I had on drilling out the steering knuckle to 5/8th. “ RRO put an elongated smaller hole in that location (probably only had a 3/8th. Bolt there originally), and now RRO wants you to basically bore a larger hole out. It was a pain in the A**. I ended up buying a grinding stone for the drill to get this job done. RRO HAS to go back and fix this problem at the manufacture stage, not pass it on to the consumer!
10-07-2013 10:21 AM
Gothere Hello all,

Finally got around to the write up section of this lift install, so without delay here we go…

OK, so lets take a look at the pricing of the kit. Total kit was $1079. Let’s break that down further.
SPOA Kit $489
OTT Steer $500
Steering Stabilizer $89

I did not get the shocks with this kit due to the backorder issue that I discussed earlier, the cost is about $200 more for this kit with shocks.

Additional costs for needed parts that were incurred directly from installing this kit.
SYE Kit $300
Drive Shaft $275
Shocks $175

Now based on how your garage/shop is setup with tools, you may or may not need to buy these. Some I had some I had to get.
A FRIGGIN Grinder, you will use this a lot, especially on the steer knuckles, and the lift itself. I had a grinder. $0
A 5/8th. Bit this cost me $20, since I only had a 3/8th. drill I had to purchase a bit with a reduced shank, that or go out and buy a 5/8th. Drill.

Other things I did while I had parts out of jeep, new clutch, fixed leaking seal, new oil pan seal, and a loc-right in the rear axle.

Now, for me the kit boiled down to one major issue. I wanted a kit that I could do in my garage with the tools I had. Like I said many times I don’t have a welder and didn’t want to go buy one then re-wire my garage for 220V and buy all the accessories for welding just for this lift. Would like to eventually get a welder, but not now.

So pricing out this kit vs a typical SOA. The lift was $489, it did come with all the pieces and parts I needed, even some I didn’t use, (mounts for the factory track bar and stabilizer bar). It also had the spring plates and bolts, extended brake lines, and the emergency brake bracket.

Pricing out a standard SOA project for this was a little less than the RRO kit. SOA kits for each axle was $100 ea. from M.O.R.E. , extended brake lines $100-150, and what to do for the e-brake? $350 ish….

Then add in welding costs??? $200-$300 or more???
10-07-2013 08:14 AM
Gothere
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Looking forward to it
Hey guys sorry for the long delay with this write up. I am planning to do a couple of these, one to discuss how the kit went on and want snafu's I hit while installing it, one going over RRO's customer service during this install, and finally a write up on how it performs in the rocks.

Trouble is life gets in the way, work, kids activities, and to do list around the house, so be patient.

Thx
10-06-2013 02:21 AM
theYeti Looking forward to it
10-04-2013 02:01 AM
Gothere Nope not a mall crawler, but I'm not going extreme either. Will be wheeling it on moderate trails, had to go with a CV for several reasons...

Busy week this week so I'm hoping that I will finally get to the brakes and be able to start running the jeep to finally get an update on this write up.

Looking to get the heep out on a trail next weekend sometime...After roughly 4 months I'm done with this mini build up, did the SOA, high steer, SYE kit, new clutch, new front seal, drained and replace brake fluid, relocate the spring perches, new driveline, and install a tow bar setup...

Not much for a mechanic with a shop, about 2-3 days, but in a 2 car garage with basic tools and on a weekend schedule...I'm glad its almost done...

I promise all a detailed write up on this lift kit is coming...
09-30-2013 10:49 PM
OverkillYJ Hope you didn't get a cv shaft. If you did I hope you are building a mall crawler. I am about to kill my 3rd one in a year. Going to put in a non cv shaft with 1350 joint after this one dies. Tired of spending money and driving home on the front wheels alone
09-30-2013 06:46 PM
Gothere Just got the new drive shaft in, what a pain...installed the Terra-Flex extreme short shaft kit in the TC, went to put the bolts in, bolts were too long, had to pull the pinion without a impact wrench...fun times! Anyway, done for the day, got to bleed brakes before first test drive sometime tomorrow.
09-30-2013 11:46 AM
Gothere
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How did the kit end up working overall? I want to do an soa but don't want to spend money on the welds etc. can you tell me how it went?
That is what I planned, since it was a "bolt on" kit, but i had to get the rear perches rotated to align the axle pinion to the TC. A place here in AZ (Desert Fab) charged me $80 to do the job. Kits installed and that was the only welding needed.

Look for an update on the product later tonight or tomorrow, sorry for the long lapse between updates...just got busy.
09-30-2013 11:41 AM
Gothere
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Originally Posted by OverkillYJ View Post
That usually means something went horribly wrong. Lol
OK sorry for the long delay in this write up. I planed to do this in a couple of weeks, but as you can see life got in the way, that and the 110* + temps here in AZ made it really miserable to be out in the garage wrenching. So the Jeep has been sitting in the garage for a couple of months, until last week when I finally got some time to take it to Desert Fab to get the perches moved to align the pinion to the TC.

Since this was a "bolt on" kit I wasn't planning to do any welding on it if possible. The one main hang up occurred after the kit install and the axle pinion needed to be aligned up to point at the TC.

Anyway, last Friday I was able to get the rear driveline ordered and will be installing it today, once that is done I will have to replace and bleed brakes, re-set the e-brake, order shocks.

Guess I owe you all an update on this, I plan to take it for a quick test drive tonight or tomorrow (without shocks) and get a more detailed update out to you all.
09-30-2013 11:27 AM
iowarooster I recently added some springs and got about 3 inches on my 93. The thing that was overlooked was the steering wheel. I have to figure out how to adjust the steering to move the wheel back to the neutral position. I'd love to hear any advice.

Another thing I found out is that when doing the rear end, my YJ didn't have the slack in the brake lines. That added a lot of work that I didn't foresee.
09-29-2013 09:56 PM
OverkillYJ
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You're really going to do a write up and then not follow up on how the product performed?
That usually means something went horribly wrong. Lol
09-29-2013 12:44 PM
theYeti You're really going to do a write up and then not follow up on how the product performed?
08-05-2013 08:32 PM
theYeti How did the kit end up working overall? I want to do an soa but don't want to spend money on the welds etc. can you tell me how it went?
08-04-2013 09:01 PM
theYeti Bump
07-22-2013 05:14 PM
theYeti Did you end up having any axle wrap?
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