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06-26-2013 05:25 PM
michiganadam The astro was a very nice machine. The leafsprings were fiberglass though and the engine was too big and in too small of a compartment, cracked heads pretty bad.

It was literally a minivan though. It was a van, miniaturized.


Mine got 17mpg.
06-26-2013 04:54 PM
TOK
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
If someone truly needs a van, vans do the job without looking hideous. Checy astros looked good until the mid 90s though.
I always put the Astro in a different category... I guess it does fit the definition of a minivan, but it was rear wheel drive and on a frame. Way more of a truck than the Chrysler. Ford did that with the Aerostar too. Then abandoned the category.

I have a 2011 E-250 as a work van, but I'd consider the Nissan NV if buying today. Its ugly as hell, but Nissan has thought out the full size van better on their first try than Ford and Chevy have done with 50+ years of experience. Inside is huge and load area is flat, plus you can get a hightop right from the factory.
06-26-2013 04:37 PM
michiganadam If someone truly needs a van, vans do the job without looking hideous. Checy astros looked good until the mid 90s though.
06-26-2013 08:49 AM
RoadiJeff
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post

Theres no excuse for minivans to exist. You can thank chrysler for those ugly things.
Plenty of reasons for them to exist.

Plus, Chrysler's minivan was the big money-maker for the company for a number of years, not to mention several million dollars I earned from working for Chrysler because of the minivan.

I'm sure a lot of those profits went into R&D on Jeep technology.
06-26-2013 07:25 AM
O_M_Jeep
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
Theres no excuse for minivans to exist. You can thank chrysler for those ugly things.
And the JK.



That's what your neighbors are buying, that list. I see that list and then I think about every new American made car I've ever seen, and it's requisite trips back to the dealer to get "fixed" at least 3 to 5 times the first year and I don't doubt that list a bit
06-26-2013 07:05 AM
BlueRidgeYJ I'd take a Tundra over an F150 any day. But at least those rust bucket GM trucks didn't make it.

+1 on an American worker being FAR more important than some CEO making 400 times what his workers do.

And remember, Toyota stock trades in NY, same as Tokyo. It isn't like the money just goes to Japan.
06-26-2013 04:55 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by matthew87 View Post
I know right. they make one car then brand three different ways with subtle differences. the Pontiac version of the chevy equinox always made me laugh.


the Honda odessey isn't bad if u need a family van
See the chevy astro and gmc safari. Gmc yukon and caddilac escalade. Chevy monte carlo and oldsmobile 88. Chevy camaro vs pontiac firebird. Firebirds are better even though i almost died in one once.

Theres no excuse for minivans to exist. You can thank chrysler for those ugly things.


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Originally Posted by Mindlesschunk View Post
I'd rather be homeless than buy any one of those cars
Hahahaha i agree.
06-26-2013 01:02 AM
Owen_TJ
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Lol, there's the F-150 and then a list of crap I'd never buy.
exactly what i was thinking...
06-25-2013 07:19 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by Flyfisher76 View Post
I don't think sales should factor in very highly as parent companies that are not US based get the profits.

But i agree, the only vehicles i would consider are the f150 and the acadia.
I'd rather American workers get money and foreign CEOs over foreign workers and domestic CEOs
06-25-2013 07:18 PM
fan of fanboys Isn't there a list of most American just based on where it's made? I thought I'd seen that.
Tundra, I think, more American made than any other full size truck based on that. I think, going off memory
06-25-2013 07:17 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by Mindlesschunk View Post
I'd rather be homeless than buy any one of those cars
Acadia and ilk are nice family vehicles for surbanites.
06-25-2013 07:15 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Lol, there's the F-150 and then a list of crap I'd never buy.
A lot of crap made in America it seems
06-25-2013 06:39 PM
Mindlesschunk I'd rather be homeless than buy any one of those cars
06-25-2013 06:36 PM
Old Dogger
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Lol, there's the F-150 and then a list of crap I'd never buy.
X2, I wonder how they would perform in a Rock crawling event...........
06-25-2013 06:11 PM
DIXIEDOG
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Originally Posted by LewdDude View Post
So those ten are more American then this???? Lol


Yes they are but don't let that get you down....you're Fiat is still prettier
06-25-2013 05:55 PM
clayps Actually a big fan of the new Chevy Traverse's. Much more classy looking than the awkward looking model of years past.
06-25-2013 05:44 PM
matthew87
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Aren't all 3 GM's on the list basically the same vehicle with cosmetic differences? They could be rolling down the same assembly line for all I know.
I know right. they make one car then brand three different ways with subtle differences. the Pontiac version of the chevy equinox always made me laugh.


the Honda odessey isn't bad if u need a family van
06-25-2013 05:33 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by LewdDude View Post
So those ten are more American then this???? Lol
Chrysler vehicles are about as american as an american flag made in china.

Jk, I don't know.
06-25-2013 05:32 PM
LewdDude So those ten are more American then this???? Lol

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06-25-2013 05:31 PM
traitor08 Didn't see anything on that list I would buy.
06-25-2013 04:13 PM
THW
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Originally Posted by dawhitesJKU View Post
5 of those are not American brands.
Neither is Jeep!
06-25-2013 03:58 PM
Flyfisher76
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Originally Posted by live_slow View Post
If you look at the methodology of "cars.com" you will not put any faith in their list. I think it's getting worse, but I don't doubt Ford's F150 would be near the top of any list, for now.

It's more marketing than science.

If anyone is interested, check out the methodology used by Kogood/American University.

Kogod Made in America Auto Index | Kogod School of Business, American University, Washington, DC
  • Profit Margin: Where the automaker's global headquarters is located
  • Labor: Where the car is assembled
  • Research and Development
  • Inventory, Capital, and Other Expenses: Location of assembly
  • Engine and Transmission: Location of production
  • Body, Interior, Chassis, Electrical, and Other: Location of production
  • National Highway Traffic Safety Administration AALA "Domestic Content" Score
By their methodology, there are several ties near the top, Jeep Wrangers are number 4.

However, since cars.com buys (and sells) quite a bit of print and airtime, theirs will spread through for-profit media like wildfire.
That's the study i was looking for but couldn't find.
06-25-2013 03:14 PM
live_slow If you look at the methodology of "cars.com" you will not put any faith in their list. I think it's getting worse, but I don't doubt Ford's F150 would be near the top of any list, for now.

It's more marketing than science.

If anyone is interested, check out the methodology used by Kogood/American University.

Kogod Made in America Auto Index | Kogod School of Business, American University, Washington, DC
  • Profit Margin: Where the automaker's global headquarters is located
  • Labor: Where the car is assembled
  • Research and Development
  • Inventory, Capital, and Other Expenses: Location of assembly
  • Engine and Transmission: Location of production
  • Body, Interior, Chassis, Electrical, and Other: Location of production
  • National Highway Traffic Safety Administration AALA "Domestic Content" Score
By their methodology, there are several ties near the top, Jeep Wrangers are number 4.

However, since cars.com buys (and sells) quite a bit of print and airtime, theirs will spread through for-profit media like wildfire.
06-25-2013 02:46 PM
TOK
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Originally Posted by MacCTD View Post
Pretty funny that the F150 only has 75% domestic content, probably the lowest of the group and the minimum required to be considered for this list.
Aren't all 3 GM's on the list basically the same vehicle with cosmetic differences? They could be rolling down the same assembly line for all I know.
06-25-2013 02:38 PM
MacCTD Pretty funny that the F150 only has 75% domestic content, probably the lowest of the group and the minimum required to be considered for this list.
06-25-2013 02:30 PM
michiganadam Funny thing...go to a yota dealer and look at the parts content percentage sticker on an import (hell my hyundai had a permanent sticker in the window for it! Theyre proud!). Then look at gm ford or chryslers.

Imports have a "us and canada" parts percentage. Domestics have "north american". What a cop out....
06-25-2013 02:23 PM
Flyfisher76 I don't think sales should factor in very highly as parent companies that are not US based get the profits.

But i agree, the only vehicles i would consider are the f150 and the acadia.
06-25-2013 02:22 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by dawhitesJKU View Post
5 of those are not American brands.

It's based on sales, construction location, and sourcing of the parts.
06-25-2013 02:20 PM
dawhitesJKU 5 of those are not American brands.
06-25-2013 02:17 PM
mhilbush When I look at this list, other than the F-150, the word that comes to mind for me -- BORING.
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