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08-16-2013 07:50 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Big Fran View Post
Well after putting it off for far to long I installed the AEV drop brackets today. I loved how my Jeep drove and that's why I went back and forth about doing them or not.

OK right away I noticed that the bumps are less harsh then they were. It seems to drive smoother and steering response feels a bit quicker to me. I'm glad I finally installed them. If not for this thread I would never have got them.

Thanks kjeeper10.
08-16-2013 04:22 PM
Big Fran Well after putting it off for far to long I installed the AEV drop brackets today. I loved how my Jeep drove and that's why I went back and forth about doing them or not.

OK right away I noticed that the bumps are less harsh then they were. It seems to drive smoother and steering response feels a bit quicker to me. I'm glad I finally installed them. If not for this thread I would never have got them.

Thanks kjeeper10.
08-15-2013 11:16 AM
gorillahydrographics I had the AEV drop brackets prior to get the upper and lower arms. They made a difference and improved ride, however, they did nothing for the rear. At a miniumn I would recommend at least upgrading the upper rear arms as well.
08-15-2013 10:28 AM
tabber02
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Remember ..some folks have the luxury to either trailer their jeep or live close to their wheeling spot. I have to travel a good distance to wheel. Driving a poorly riding jeep is no fun.

The best part of modding a jeep, you can do what ever you please. Choose any lift manufacturer you want or mix and match parts like I did. You are always going to have naysayers, web wheelers that want to steer you in one direction or another.
Do your research and make your own decisions and don't listen to a lot of crap spewed on the forums.
boy you got that right....
08-15-2013 04:15 AM
kjeeper10 Remember ..some folks have the luxury to either trailer their jeep or live close to their wheeling spot. I have to travel a good distance to wheel. Driving a poorly riding jeep is no fun.

I think AEV gets a bad rap not just because of the brackets but retention of stock parts and cost,
Control arms/track bars and even a RHD drag link w/ their high steer.

I truly believe the drop brackets make the AEV lift drive as good as it does. More so with the coils and 5100's (I hated fwiw)

The best part of modding a jeep, you can do what ever you please. Choose any lift manufacturer you want or mix and match parts like I did. You are always going to have naysayers, web wheelers that want to steer you in one direction or another.
Do your research and make your own decisions and don't listen to a lot of crap spewed on the forums.
08-15-2013 12:04 AM
KurtVW
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Originally Posted by Dollar View Post
I am running AEV's 2.5 with the brackets and have indeed banged my brackets. Lost clearance is lost clearance. But like I said when I posted the pics, without the brackets, I may have banged my stock mounts. Or the frame. Or whatever that damn rock felt like hitting.

But yeah, AEV's use of brackets is quite the sore spot for the haters. When i upgrade to the MC 3.5, chances are I'll keep these brackets and use them both.

And my brackets weren't the only thing that suffered that day:

You know what they say.. Haters gonna hate.

Yeah, I know you can bang those brackets. And obviously 1 inch lost is 1 inch lost...

But for pretty much 98% of the people, that bracket is never going to hit anything. So why suffer the crying?

There is this big man jerking your dong out crud on this site that would have you believe that every jeep owner is up to his ankles in tall rocks every day. And really, most of us work for a living. Because of ... Gotta buy parts!

Then you have the crowd that actually DOES wheel 'em a little hard a few times a year. Then you got the dirt road runners, and so on... Then you got the guys who brag that they mounted the underglow lights (no joke, I really saw that a few days ago.. Have a nice mall crawl).

My point is, that anyone that is HONESTLY in the deep rocks regularly isn't buying an AEV drop bracket. And the people that really are buying the drop brackets REALLY do need them, and they are the right solution for them. I have them, and I run hard trails... but I'm not doing any rock walk stuff, for cripes sake its a JKU on a 3 inch lift, thats all you need to know haha.. This is not a hard crawler.

Oh, I should end this rant.. Anyhow, the short version is that nobody who does hard crawling is thinking about drop brackets, and nobody thinking about drop brackets is a hard crawler, and maybe everyone ought to just stop shaking their nut sacks around... You know?
08-14-2013 11:47 PM
Dollar
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post

NO JOKE!

I installed the drop brackets back in March, they made a massive improvement.. You come in here and people bitch and cry about the 1.4 inches of lost clearance at a place directly behind the front wheels where you're about 99 percent certain never to hit a rock unless you're crawling boulders which isn't AT ALL the supension solution that AEV is selling. Overland and Rock Crawl are not the same thing guys...


And I've mentioned more than once that ANYONE who is doing anything so extreme that they are going to bang these on the ground is sure as hell not running a 2.5 inch lift, they are running (or should be) more like 4 to 6.
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I am running AEV's 2.5 with the brackets and have indeed banged my brackets. Lost clearance is lost clearance. But like I said when I posted the pics, without the brackets, I may have banged my stock mounts. Or the frame. Or whatever that damn rock felt like hitting.

But yeah, AEV's use of brackets is quite the sore spot for the haters. When i upgrade to the MC 3.5, chances are I'll keep these brackets and use them both.

And my brackets weren't the only thing that suffered that day:


Attachment 286065
08-14-2013 09:52 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by mallaki View Post

Well, i have RK 2.5 max travel, but in reality i have gained closer to 3"
I would have to measure it again as i have dumped heavy PS bumper with front skid.
The Rancho brackets will work great at 3"
I'm at 3.5 with RK coils and taking a quick pinion measurement I'm around 5* caster. 3" should have you around 4.5* which is stock. Actually doesn't matter for you because of the adjustable LCA's
08-14-2013 05:11 PM
mallaki
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
How much lift you have ?
The hole in the Rancho bracket Is the same as AEV's 3-3.5

Well, i have RK 2.5 max travel, but in reality i have gained closer to 3"
I would have to measure it again as i have dumped heavy PS bumper with front skid.
08-14-2013 03:39 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by mallaki View Post
I was leading towards the Rancho as well simply for the installation ease as it’s a one piece, but wanted to make sure that there are no differences in the ride quality.

Also, since there are no holes like in the AEV for different heights, will Rancho be the best fit for my RK 2.5 lift??
How much lift you have ?
The hole in the Rancho bracket Is the same as AEV's 3-3.5
08-14-2013 03:22 PM
Knuckles65 Glad you're still liking the Rancho's.

If I ever go more than 2.5", I'd seriously consider going with them.
08-14-2013 03:21 PM
mallaki I was leading towards the Rancho as well simply for the installation ease as it’s a one piece, but wanted to make sure that there are no differences in the ride quality.

Also, since there are no holes like in the AEV for different heights, will Rancho be the best fit for my RK 2.5 lift??
08-14-2013 03:08 PM
kjeeper10 I like the Rancho brackets. Built stronger and easier to install. Ride is about the same. They both do the same thing.
08-14-2013 02:34 PM
mallaki so, If the price does not play any role here, which is the better product here?
quality, easier installation, durability, maintenance, comfort??

You tried both, any preferences there??

Thanks again!
08-14-2013 02:09 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by mallaki View Post

Bottom line, having 2.5 RK max travel lift installed and 35” tires, which would give me a better (more comfortable ride) AEV or Rancho??

Thanks
Either. You have lower arms so you can fine tune caster to whatever you like.
08-14-2013 01:53 PM
mallaki
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
This ain't right lol
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ran...ts-261294.html
If not seen by anyone here
Bottom line, having 2.5 RK max travel lift installed and 35” tires, which would give me a better (more comfortable ride) AEV or Rancho??

Thanks
08-14-2013 04:21 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by KurtVW View Post

NO JOKE!

I installed the drop brackets back in March, they made a massive improvement.. You come in here and people bitch and cry about the 1.4 inches of lost clearance at a place directly behind the front wheels where you're about 99 percent certain never to hit a rock unless you're crawling boulders which isn't AT ALL the supension solution that AEV is selling. Overland and Rock Crawl are not the same thing guys...

I don't get it.

And I've mentioned more than once that ANYONE who is doing anything so extreme that they are going to bang these on the ground is sure as hell not running a 2.5 inch lift, they are running (or should be) more like 4 to 6.

AEV haters are just people that don't own any AEV stuff. I love mine, and I make it do plenty of hard stuff. But then M-thru-F its my commuter and it kicks ass at that too.
I obviously don't run AEV but agree. I posted these pics before. Mike is running 37's and I believe 3-4" lift. stock control arms lengthened in the rear for pinion angle. AND...... AEV drop brackets. This guy wheels hard and not afraid of anything. You can see the axle steer going on with the stock arms. That's the only draw back running them.
08-14-2013 04:14 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post

Yep that's why I want to run the MC arms. More flex and also slightly better ride from a slightly more cushioned vs. stock joint apparently. So it sounds like their arms would be a good match with the brackets. Just have to decide AEV vs. Rancho. Since the holes on the Rancho are just one set, I suppose having the adjustability via aftermarket CA's would be a bonus for dialing in axle centering and caster/pinion.
Last paragraph nails it,

What wasn't right .. Posting "my" Rancho link in "my" AEV thread lol
08-14-2013 01:38 AM
flyinion
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Originally Posted by gsn View Post
Running a set of aftermarket arms with better joints will also allow your suspension to flex more. So its a win-win if you decide to run brackets and adj arms.
Yep that's why I want to run the MC arms. More flex and also slightly better ride from a slightly more cushioned vs. stock joint apparently. So it sounds like their arms would be a good match with the brackets. Just have to decide AEV vs. Rancho. Since the holes on the Rancho are just one set, I suppose having the adjustability via aftermarket CA's would be a bonus for dialing in axle centering and caster/pinion.
08-14-2013 01:34 AM
flyinion
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
This ain't right lol
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ran...ts-261294.html
If not seen by anyone here
What's not right? I think I'm missing something lol.
08-14-2013 12:09 AM
KurtVW
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Try getting this through the thick headed naysayers
NO JOKE!

I installed the drop brackets back in March, they made a massive improvement.. You come in here and people bitch and cry about the 1.4 inches of lost clearance at a place directly behind the front wheels where you're about 99 percent certain never to hit a rock unless you're crawling boulders which isn't AT ALL the supension solution that AEV is selling. Overland and Rock Crawl are not the same thing guys...

I don't get it.

And I've mentioned more than once that ANYONE who is doing anything so extreme that they are going to bang these on the ground is sure as hell not running a 2.5 inch lift, they are running (or should be) more like 4 to 6.

AEV haters are just people that don't own any AEV stuff. I love mine, and I make it do plenty of hard stuff. But then M-thru-F its my commuter and it kicks ass at that too.
08-13-2013 11:29 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by dawhitesJKU View Post
^ Changing shocks like underwear, now your gonna be doing the same with the geometry brackets. lol
Who says I change my underwear?
08-13-2013 11:26 PM
dawhitesJKU ^ Changing shocks like underwear, now your gonna be doing the same with the geometry brackets. lol
08-13-2013 11:24 PM
kjeeper10 This ain't right lol
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ran...ts-261294.html
If not seen by anyone here
08-13-2013 11:20 PM
kjeeper10 With both upper and lower arms, The lowers center the wheel in the well and uppers set caster/pinion. The brackets "fool" the jeep into thinking it only lifted a couple inches so these adjustments are not really needed. Then taking a step further altering the instant center geometry.

When long arms are installed the factory frame mounts are cut of and repositioned back. This allows for the longer arms that now run at a flatter angle. Short arms (manufacturers like to call them mid arms) can't do this. So you get a benefit of a long arm with factory arms.
08-13-2013 10:44 PM
gsn
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Originally Posted by joeuncool View Post
I think the question Flyinion had which is what I have. I have read that longer or adjustable lower control arms correct a flighty feel in steering over uneven pavement. If I am reading things correctly, these brackets do the same thing. Which method of correction is better?

I have read that due to the lift resulting in a change in geometry, the stock LCA's are "too short" and pull the axle back. Adjustable LCA's effectively allow you to put the axle back where it should be with more length. From what I understand, the brackets bring the LCA connection point back down to the factory location giving the same result. So, logically for correction of caster each method should be the same. Now, that being said, which do people think is the best method to correct caster? This is probably the wrong thread to ask with everyone's great results with the brackets.

Are there people who installed adjustable LCA's and were disappointed with the results?
Adjustable control arms give you the most flexibility when adjusting caster. Best method for caster correction is still adjustable control arms. You just only need one set of CAs, either lowers or uppers to adjust the caster.

These brackets are only included on AEVs or some rancho kits (the rancho ones obviously). If you look at everyone who has installed rock krawler, metalcloak, teraflex, you will see they are quite happy with the kits and their adjustable arms.

The drop brackets are supposed to be for comfort, an inexpensive mid-point between short arms and long arms, not quite the long arm setup, but still more comfortable than short arms alone. AEV just popped 2 more holes so they dont have to offer arms with their kits (as they are overpriced already lol...) and for people too lazy to adjust caster with control arms can do it with just the holes and end up in a reasonable range of caster. People with taller lifts are the ones that will notice the most difference when dropping the arms, considering they are the ones that have the most slope.

In my opinion, the best setup if you want to run the brackets is to also at least have a pair of adjustable arms, either lower or upper, basically run the brackets with adjustable arms. You can start with a pre-set place, then fine tune with the arms (considering no jks weigh the same, or use the same coils). Or if something happens to the bracket (which are more prone to damage than the arms themselves) you can still use the arms. But you can also just run them with stock arms and be done with it.

Running a set of aftermarket arms with better joints will also allow your suspension to flex more. So its a win-win if you decide to run brackets and adj arms.
08-13-2013 10:37 PM
New2012JEEP Other posts I've read say this is an alternative to adjustables
08-13-2013 10:27 PM
joeuncool I think the question Flyinion had which is what I have. I have read that longer or adjustable lower control arms correct a flighty feel in steering over uneven pavement. If I am reading things correctly, these brackets do the same thing. Which method of correction is better?

I have read that due to the lift resulting in a change in geometry, the stock LCA's are "too short" and pull the axle back. Adjustable LCA's effectively allow you to put the axle back where it should be with more length. From what I understand, the brackets bring the LCA connection point back down to the factory location giving the same result. So, logically for correction of caster each method should be the same. Now, that being said, which do people think is the best method to correct caster? This is probably the wrong thread to ask with everyone's great results with the brackets.

Are there people who installed adjustable LCA's and were disappointed with the results?
08-13-2013 10:05 PM
HK_Runner Yup, any adjustable arms will work, as long as they go down to stock size or really close.
08-13-2013 09:45 PM
gsn
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Originally Posted by Thore View Post
I may be blind here but I'm having trouble finding the flat circles on the pumpkin. Any help?
They are two circles (or holes in the shape of a circle for that matter) when looking from the front, one on each side of the pumpkin (not the differential bolts). You can also measure at the pinion flange and just subtract.
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