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06-28-2013 10:52 PM
Up Hill Bill
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgurjar View Post
Hey Bill,

... So is that top portion on the picture you have shown an auxillary factory installed Transmission cooler?

Yes. It's in front of the radiator. All 3.6L autos have them.


Quote:
So if one has that on their Jeep they do not need to be worried about purchasing an additional cooler because it is already equipped with one?
Nope, your good!


p.s. longer answer sent by PM
06-28-2013 04:09 PM
kgurjar Hey Bill,

I swear you are the Guru of Wrangler wisdom. Everytime I am looking for an answer I find an answer from one of your posts. I have a 2013 JK Auto 2 door. I am towing a 800 lb Uhaul trailer with about maybe 500-700 lbs of cargo total distributed between the trailer and inside of the Jeep from Washington DC to Western Colorado (driving up and down through the rockies). I was worried that I needed to install an Auxillary Transmission Cooler. When I called Chrysler they could confirm whether or not the Jeeps come with a cooler or not.

I took a look at my JK inside the grill and it looks just like the picture you have taken. I understand that there is a transmission oil cooler integrated into the radiator that is not visible by just removing the grill. So is that top portion on the picture you have shown an auxillary factory installed Transmission cooler? So if one has that on their Jeep they do not need to be worried about purchasing an additional cooler because it is already equipped with one?


12-02-2012 04:35 PM
damndirtydog I just asked my Service rep at the dealership about a month ago regarding warranty issues. I was specifically told that adding a tranny cooler will not void your warranty. "Although" if it is deemed by Chrysler that damage to your transmission was due in fault to a failure of the cooler or a failure of installation, then Chrysler can deny your warranty claim.
So it could be a gray area, it may depend on the demenor of the dealership you take it to. My local dealer is great to Wrangler customers even with extensive modifications, and tend to try to help out with warranty repair issues as much as possible.
When my 09 was recalled over ayear ago, I asked if they would install a cooler free of charge if I purchased it, but they refused and installed an idiot light instead. That said, a B&M 70268 cooler is on the workbench waiting for me to install.
12-02-2012 04:15 PM
proyham
JK Pentastar auto transmission cooler lines

My 2012 JK Rubicon dumped its full load of automatic tranny oil during a gentle run on The Red Canyon Jeep Trail, just east of Indio. CA.
This was caused by a two-bit plastic hanger that's supposed to hold the cooler lines between the automatic tranny and the cooler. It's basically a 1/4" dia. pencil thin post that friction fits into a hole in the crankcase flange. My JK had not been off road before and this was its inaugural run.
Part way along the narrow ridge crest trail, I spotted a big red puddle inside of the front left-hand wheel. (Details of extraction and expletives deleted here.)
Anyway, after an 18 mile tow to black top by a 4Runner (blush!), a flat deck to Indio, and the JK to Crystal Chrysler Jeep, Cathedral City, what could have been a disaster was narrowly averted.
On the hoist the next day it was clear that the cause of the failure was the broken plastic hanger, which allowed the cooler tubing to drop onto and rub against the power steering tubing; soft aluminum against steel, no contest.
The Rubi has 5k on it, and had an oil change a couple of months before performed by a Jeep service facility. But it was clear that the tube had been rubbing for some time, and was NOT caused by the desert run we were on. Back home there was oil on the concrete where the Jeep should have been parked.
The service manager says the failure of the hanger could have been caused by Roadmaster, the people who manufactured and installed the tow plates for the Jeep to be towed behind our motorhome. Really unlikely!!
Service checked how many of these parts Chrysler provides in an attempt to show that self destruct was unlikely. However, their own records show that there are on average 41 of these parts replaced, WEEKLY! Oooops....
However, I still had to pay the repair bill ($540) before I could get it out of the shop.
As it stands, the "service" manager has had a week to come up with a response from HQ, but no word as yet that Chrysler will accept that they have a problem.
I suggest anyone with a JK Pentastar powered Jeep with an auto transmission get under and have a look at the hanger. It is pathetically weak, and the tubing itself is also quite exposed to inward flying rocks from the front wheels.
My last '07 Rubi never had a wrench on it, so for Jeep to have its flagship model made so vulnerable by bad design, and for the engineering department to not respond to what must be by now flagged as a weak component, seriously undermines their credibility.
05-17-2012 03:34 AM
BPJK
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Originally Posted by CalienteDookie View Post
X2 I did the same. Started a case with Chrysler. Took a couple of days & now they will be installing my Mopar cooler on Thursday for free.
How does one go about starting a case? Took mine in and they said because I have oversize tires (35s) it puts added strain on the tranny. Cost was a little over $600.
05-01-2012 10:54 PM
CalienteDookie
Quote:
Originally Posted by fawsty
I have a 2011 JKU, and had the "hot Oil" light come on several times. I ordered the B&M 70268 cooler, but was told by the dealer not to install it....would void the warranty....

I called Jeep, started a case file against them, and they agreed to fix the problem by installing a new Mopar Trans cooler for free. Just took me a few calls, and two days to set it up, and I was on the road again.

Jeep knows of the problem, they are just playing the odds that only a few people will complain about the problem, and so they fix only those who call.

The Mopar sure looks good, very good design. They don't tap into the existing rubber lines, they replace them with all new stuff in the kit. If buying it from them, it's over $600.00.

I have not been able to duplicate the "Hot Oil" light since, but I have not been able to get into the mountains where I usually have the incident occur either.

Steven
X2 I did the same. Started a case with Chrysler. Took a couple of days & now they will be installing my Mopar cooler on Thursday for free.
04-20-2012 08:59 AM
RedBones I might wait to see what comes out of this fire investigation.
Thinking that they might decide to fix the Jeep overheating with adding a transfer cooler.
Maybe get one added under a recall. :-/
04-20-2012 08:43 AM
Mach2Plus 2011 JKU Automatic. I had a B&M 70268 installed last month. I am reading my trans temps with a ScanGauge. Glad I did it.
04-16-2012 08:03 AM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by RedBones View Post
Do you guys think the ORW cooler is worth the extra 190.00 bucks???
Probably not but then again it depends on how you look at it. By the time I ordered the Earl's AN fittings and measured for the lines, ordered the stainless steel lines along with the rubber isolators for the mounting bracket there is about $50-$65 dollars. Their mounting bracket is a nice lazer cut bracket that a person could make depending on skills and equipment. Then the time involved with gathering all the parts & pieces.

All in all it would still be less expensive to go the B&M route but I will admit the overall quality of the kit is very good. I am sure I could have saved a few dollars but I don't have any regrets about purchasing the ORW kit.

Mike.
04-12-2012 07:35 PM
RedBones Do you guys think the ORW cooler is worth the extra 190.00 bucks???
04-12-2012 10:34 AM
JIMBOX My aux cooling sys uses two, but it's not a good idea to stackem, the radiator already has enough airflow limits in front--


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Originally Posted by Dusthol View Post
I believe that plug is the air temp sensor for the dash. Now back on topic. ...what about stacking trans coolers? Will adding another help?
The second is kinda redundant, but I added mine for towing off-road and very low speeds-otherwise, you don't need one !



JIMBO
04-12-2012 10:29 AM
VASYLfromUKRAINE I HAVE Automatic Transmission SuperCooler #70268 WORKS PERFECTO
04-12-2012 10:26 AM
Dusthol I believe that plug is the air temp sensor for the dash. Now back on topic. ...what about stacking trans coolers? Will adding another help?
04-12-2012 10:00 AM
termite
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
Yeap. No tranny cooler listed on my build sheet either.

But, here it is:

Attachment 113122

Every auto tranny 2012 JK/JKU has one!

Way off topic, but I was about to start a whole new thread on it.

Does anyone know what that electrical pug is on the bottom right of the above picture? I noticed it when I was installing my hood lock.

My stock cooler looks exactly like Up Hill Bills and is also not on my build sheet. I had figured it was part of the Tow package.
04-12-2012 08:47 AM
JIMBOX I don't blame you for not liking the brass barb conns, Z, but


Quote:
Originally Posted by zmotorsports View Post
I have used both the B&M Supercooler and the ORW kit. Quality of the cooler itself is the same, they are both a stacked plate style. I like the quality of the brackets and lines/fittings that came in the ORW kit.

I am not a huge fan of the push on barb style fittings. On the last couple of B&M coolers that I have installed on other vehicles I cut the ends off and TIG welded an AN/JIC bung on both inlet and outlet of the cooler and then used AN fittings. I was going to do the same on my Jeep when I ran across the ORW kit which already was set up for AN fittings. By the time I bought s/s braided lines and AN fittings and the cooler it still would have been cheaper but I have been happy and impressed with the ORW kit. It is a bolt on kit and really is a well thought out one at that.

Mike.
My aux cooling on my JKUR is a little "involved" and I used the Brass Barb fittings for all conns (10) and if they're applied dry and with full penetration--they're fine-

Mine have operated almost three years/w no leaks-and

If you're adding an aux cooler to a 07 thru 11 jeep--the size or mfg of the aux cooler isn't that important--ANYTHING will improve over the A/C condenser POS cooler that Chrysler installed as stock on these jeeps-

Mine operates at avg 150*° F and gets to 200° under load, in climbs--generally in 4hi-off-road

JIMBO
04-12-2012 08:42 AM
fireron Seems funny that almost every detail on the build sheet shows up but that one. You would think it would be on there but I'm glad it is, or I would have to add it. I read plenty of articles stating it was included along with the worry of hitting the hard line going to the cooler, but couldn't find it on Jeep's site. Must have missed it.
04-12-2012 08:15 AM
zmotorsports
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBones View Post
I think I am going to go with the B&M.
I am looking at the one from ORW for 260.00 it looks like a real nice kit.
Don't know witch one yet, any thoughts?
Thanks.
I have used both the B&M Supercooler and the ORW kit. Quality of the cooler itself is the same, they are both a stacked plate style. I like the quality of the brackets and lines/fittings that came in the ORW kit.

I am not a huge fan of the push on barb style fittings. On the last couple of B&M coolers that I have installed on other vehicles I cut the ends off and TIG welded an AN/JIC bung on both inlet and outlet of the cooler and then used AN fittings. I was going to do the same on my Jeep when I ran across the ORW kit which already was set up for AN fittings. By the time I bought s/s braided lines and AN fittings and the cooler it still would have been cheaper but I have been happy and impressed with the ORW kit. It is a bolt on kit and really is a well thought out one at that.

Mike.
04-11-2012 11:41 PM
Up Hill Bill
Quote:
Originally Posted by fireron View Post
I see an engine oil cooler on my build sheet, but no transmission oil cooler.
Yeap. No tranny cooler listed on my build sheet either.

But, here it is:

Attachment 113122

Every auto tranny 2012 JK/JKU has one!
04-11-2012 11:14 PM
CalienteDookie
Quote:
Originally Posted by twxsby
I would be curious to know what your dealer says about voiding warranty if aux cooler added. Mine told me it would be voided if I added an aux cooler. I haven't given up.
They are feeding you a bunch of BS. My light came on a few times so I took it to the dealer & they gave me the run around. One of the guys on here gave me some great info so I thought I pass it along. I called Chrysler today and raise some stink about the whole deal with the oil temp. They started a case & the a case mgr called me this evening. To make a long story longer Chrysler has agreed to furnish the Mopar cooler at there expense and my dealer will supply the labor. Chrysler knows all about this problem and is really starting to worry about all the claims. Give them a call you might be surprised. .
04-11-2012 11:02 PM
MarineHawk Automatic transmission coolers are for panzies. Everyone knows that real Jeepers have manual transmission coolers.
04-11-2012 10:56 PM
fireron I see an engine oil cooler on my build sheet, but no transmission oil cooler.
04-11-2012 10:31 PM
Up Hill Bill
Quote:
Originally Posted by jofish View Post
I was under the impression that a transmission cooler was standard epuipment on a 2012?
Correct.
04-11-2012 10:04 PM
RedBones I don't know?
It should be, I got a 2011 sport and don't have one.
04-11-2012 09:23 PM
jofish I was under the impression that a transmission cooler was standard epuipment on a 2012?
04-11-2012 07:36 PM
termite The mopar kit looks like the one installed with the towing package. Or at least it does on mine.
04-11-2012 07:26 PM
RedBones Could some onE tell me if there is a difference between the Mopar and the B&M.
Would one be better them the other??
Thanks.
04-11-2012 04:52 PM
RedBones I think I am going to go with the B&M.
I am looking at the one from ORW for 260.00 it looks like a real nice kit.
Don't know witch one yet, any thoughts?
Thanks.
04-11-2012 04:23 PM
rics1997 That is ridiculous. I am amazed sometimes at what some factory items cost. I bought my B&M for around $70 and even paid someone to do it and they charged me another $70. Wish I could bend over again. I hate paying for something so simple but the $70 labor was well worth the pain I didn't have.
04-11-2012 04:17 PM
RedBones None. That is for one.
04-11-2012 01:54 PM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by RedBones View Post
Just got back from getting a quote from my local dealer.
It is 662.72 just for the parts. Lmao.
How many did you order?

Mike.
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