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07-07-2013 09:05 AM
HK_Runner Probably 32 to start with.
07-07-2013 03:18 AM
Jeep Rat The Duratracs 265/75 R/17 are damn nice. I swear my Jeep drives better.

With 2 mountainbike on the rear, I maxed out at 20.2 MPG HWY.

What PSI should I be running? The max says 50?
07-04-2013 01:39 PM
TheDesertOutlaw
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
People were searching all over the country for a vendor that might still have some KMs on the shelf. Offroad magazines were running ads "KMs still available in X sizes!"
That's probably how I got to sell mine off so fast. Their sidewalls weren't yet upgraded, leading me to purchase another set of Interco TrXus MTs with a smooth, quiet ride, and better sidewall protection.

07-04-2013 12:56 PM
Jeep Rat I just got my Duratracs. I love em' but the Goodyear shop scratched 4 of my rims!! (See my other thread )

Well here's the before and after...
07-03-2013 04:48 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
Apparently you haven't been around very long.
Only about 25 years.


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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
I guarantee that if you looked at sales numbers, the KM2 has never sold more units in a single year than what the KM was selling.
I will take that bet.

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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
The first 3-5 years after the KM2 came into production, the offroad community threw a fit about the KM2 sucking and not being as good as the KM. People were searching all over the country for a vendor that might still have some KMs on the shelf. Offroad magazines were running ads "KMs still available in X sizes!" It was like the saddest day ever. The KM had the biggest following of any tire I can remember.
07-03-2013 03:58 PM
Hail Caesar I don't have but 4k on my DT's but they seem no louder than the OEM tires. Actually I can't hear either of them. The DT's look good and pulled me out of some serious mud. I actually never put them in 4x4 till it got really nasty. I wonder if anyone has had DT's and Nitto Trail Grapplers, and how did they compare?? If the Nitto's are not as quiet and long lasting as the DT's I wouldn't consider them.
07-03-2013 01:01 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
Uh.. well, considering that's what they did, yeah I'd say they would.

Apparently you haven't been around very long. The first 3-5 years after the KM2 came into production, the offroad community threw a fit about the KM2 sucking and not being as good as the KM. People were searching all over the country for a vendor that might still have some KMs on the shelf. Offroad magazines were running ads "KMs still available in X sizes!" It was like the saddest day ever. The KM had the biggest following of any tire I can remember.

The KM2.. well.. it was just an attempt to generate hype by releasing a new design. Which is funny, because it wasn't new. It was a tweaked Krawler made for the street.

I guarantee that if you looked at sales numbers, the KM2 has never sold more units in a single year than what the KM was selling.

The JK version of the KM is slightly different and has a slightly different tread compound also, so they won't go the distance. But the original KMs would last forever on a midsize truck or Jeep. And I could never follow my buddy when he had KMs. Those things worked great.


I have owned the KMs. I have never had them on my jeep, but I had them on my dually. I thought they were a decent tire. I almost got 40k out of them. When it was time for new tires I was going to get them again, but was told they didn't make them anymore. So I got the KM2. I have over 50k on this set and they are still going.

So from reading your posts, it seems your buddy is the one that owned the KMs. How can you possibly have any input on this, if you haven't owned them? It has been in my experience when someone starts off a sentence with "My buddy", you better put your rubber boots on. Because its fixing to get deep.
07-03-2013 12:30 PM
WXman
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Originally Posted by Rubi513 View Post
Follow your own advice. Because you are wrong. Most people prefer the KM2 over the KM. That's why BFG doesn't sell them anymore. Do you seriously think BFG would quit making a tire that was "more popular"?
Uh.. well, considering that's what they did, yeah I'd say they would.

Apparently you haven't been around very long. The first 3-5 years after the KM2 came into production, the offroad community threw a fit about the KM2 sucking and not being as good as the KM. People were searching all over the country for a vendor that might still have some KMs on the shelf. Offroad magazines were running ads "KMs still available in X sizes!" It was like the saddest day ever. The KM had the biggest following of any tire I can remember.

The KM2.. well.. it was just an attempt to generate hype by releasing a new design. Which is funny, because it wasn't new. It was a tweaked Krawler made for the street.

I guarantee that if you looked at sales numbers, the KM2 has never sold more units in a single year than what the KM was selling.

The JK version of the KM is slightly different and has a slightly different tread compound also, so they won't go the distance. But the original KMs would last forever on a midsize truck or Jeep. And I could never follow my buddy when he had KMs. Those things worked great.
07-03-2013 10:31 AM
TheDesertOutlaw
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
The KM2 is total trash. I ran a set for 3 days and ditched them. Heavy, loud as hell, and no traction.

Moral of the story: New does not always = Better
You should see what they can do on Cleghorn Road after a winter storm, in muddy conditions. I am not sure where you gather your testing data, but from the variety of locales I have traveled, they appear to hold their own.

Laguna Salada Creek - Baja, Mexico


Pole Line Road - Baja, Mexico
07-03-2013 09:22 AM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
No, actually if you read the web you'll see that most people agree with me.

Why is it only 1 size? Because it's the American way...everybody is ready for that next big new thing. But Jeep, being wise, convinced BFG to keep making the KM for the Rubicon (until 2014).

The KM dug hard, wasn't super loud on the pavement, and would last forever. I would not believe 80K or more from a MT unless I had seen it with my own eyes.

The KM2 is total trash. I ran a set for 3 days and ditched them. Heavy, loud as hell, and no traction.

Moral of the story: New does not always = Better
Follow your own advice. Because you are wrong. Most people prefer the KM2 over the KM. That's why BFG doesn't sell them anymore. Do you seriously think BFG would quit making a tire that was "more popular"?
07-03-2013 08:52 AM
WXman
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Originally Posted by Rubi513 View Post


Your are definitely in the minority with your logic. If the KM is so good, why do they only offer it now in 1 size?
No, actually if you read the web you'll see that most people agree with me.

Why is it only 1 size? Because it's the American way...everybody is ready for that next big new thing. But Jeep, being wise, convinced BFG to keep making the KM for the Rubicon (until 2014).

The KM dug hard, wasn't super loud on the pavement, and would last forever. I would not believe 80K or more from a MT unless I had seen it with my own eyes.

The KM2 is total trash. I ran a set for 3 days and ditched them. Heavy, loud as hell, and no traction.

Moral of the story: New does not always = Better
07-02-2013 04:48 PM
99tdr Hi, new to the forum here...
been looking for tires for my wife's JK, next year she'll need new tires...

I've had several sets of KM and loved them.
I've never owned KM2's.

A few weeks back I spent a day out at Rausch creek with one of the trail guides / instructors and the whole tire thing came up.
We went down the list...
He's run both the KM (had them on the Cherokee he had that day) and has KM2's on a built Wrangler he has, and has had worked with the Goody MT/Rs a lot.

While he had nothing bad to say about the KMs, like myself ( I've had 3 sets in total in the past, and now 1 set on my Rubi), he really felt the KM2s were an improvement over the KMs on and off road.

BUT seemed really high on the MT/R's and their Kevlar construction.

Here's a guy that sees trail rigs day in and day out.... been thru many tires himself... and came to enjoy the discussion and his input and trust it... veyr knowledgeable gent... so what I got out of the discussion....he felt it was a choice of KM2s vs the MT/Rs, but felt the MT/Rs had stronger sidewalls.

I've had cuts on my side walls of my past KMs, but never in their life did the cuts bubble out.. they held their thru their life.
He mentioned he's gotten a lot of cuts on his sets of KMs and KM2s...
but seemingly he hasn't seen any of the MT/Rs get cut up like the BFGs....

I was always a BFG MT fan... but lots of good conversation got me thinking of what todo for my next set on my Rubi. (still have plenty of time, by the time I need them it'll probably be a set of 35's , not stock size anyway).

My wife's JK wont ever see a trail, and I've never got a flat on a BFG...so still torn. But being a BFG fan... probably the KM2s.

I've had great luck with E rated Toyo Open Country MT's and was considering them. The trail guide said, "funny", the one place he used to work for had a team sponsored by Toyo, and they ran their MTs, great tire, but much heavier than the other two.
On a JK I see his point with the unsprung weight he was getting at, but on a 1 ton 9Klb oil breathing tow rig.. the E series and it's weight, it is what it is and never considered them heavy,, but only used them the Dodge 4x4 tow rig.

So still have time to make up my mind, but yea the KM2 Vs the MT/R's is where I'm headed for my wife's JK. So started doing some lurking and came up on this thread..
...

edit, yea, I've never considered the BFG's MT (originals back from the early 80's when they first came out is when I first got them, up thru the 90's still now on my Rubi) to be a noisy tire.. always well behaved and considering no sipping, I've never had problems with them in the rain and great life too.. I've even used them for snow tires on my 2x4 Van.

So was sort of hard to believe that they came out with a "better" MT... but all I've heard , it is.. on every level.. but never owned them...

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Interesting...I really liked the stock KM. Was fantastic off-road and relatively quiet for a MT (especially compared to the MTR Kev)
Also never lived with the MT/Rs either (nor have a friend with them)... they are a bit noisier or a lot more noisier?
07-02-2013 02:43 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
Sometime around 2000, my buddy put 33x12.50 BFG KMs on his Tacoma. He was just over 100,000 miles. Around 2009 or so, he finally retired them with about 185,000 on the odometer. He beat the absolute piss out of them during that time and I was there when a lot of it happened. Excellent tires.

The KM2 is garbage compared to the KM.


Your are definitely in the minority with your logic. If the KM is so good, why do they only offer it now in 1 size?
07-02-2013 02:42 PM
HK_Runner Interesting...I really liked the stock KM. Was fantastic off-road and relatively quiet for a MT (especially compared to the MTR Kev)
07-02-2013 02:38 PM
Jeep Rat
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
Sometime around 2000, my buddy put 33x12.50 BFG KMs on his Tacoma. He was just over 100,000 miles. Around 2009 or so, he finally retired them with about 185,000 on the odometer. He beat the absolute piss out of them during that time and I was there when a lot of it happened. Excellent tires.

The KM2 is garbage compared to the KM.

The Duratrac is a better all around tire...but it's not going to last nearly as long as other ATs on the market simply because it's so aggressive.

So the Mud-Terrain T/A KM will out last the Duratrac?
07-02-2013 02:26 PM
HK_Runner I am only running MTs on the Jeep but I need a tough sidewall and something that can handle the rocks and sandy/granite trails. I have cut two ATs so they will never see my Jeep. I do run ATs on my 4Runner but I also don't take it to the trails that have sharper rocks. Just gives me a little peace of mind. If you are not really offroading, you should be on an AT, and you may still never come close to pushing it to its limit. I like the Hankook RF10 and the Toyo AT2. The DuraTrac would also be nice but GY tires just suck at balancing.
07-02-2013 12:19 PM
WXman Sometime around 2000, my buddy put 33x12.50 BFG KMs on his Tacoma. He was just over 100,000 miles. Around 2009 or so, he finally retired them with about 185,000 on the odometer. He beat the absolute piss out of them during that time and I was there when a lot of it happened. Excellent tires.

The KM2 is garbage compared to the KM.

The Duratrac is a better all around tire...but it's not going to last nearly as long as other ATs on the market simply because it's so aggressive.
07-01-2013 07:38 PM
Jeep Rat I think I'm going with the Duratracs. My local shop said $1107 for 5 installed. Not bad.
07-01-2013 06:59 PM
RedSurveyor
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I don't know what's with the sales rep. My duratracs are on my dd zj. On my last rotation I was pushing 20+k miles and was at half tread. I'm gonna pull 45-50k out of mine. I check the pressure and rotate every 6-7 months.
X2
I have run the duratracs and got 30k on them before they were half done. If I hadn't had a couple of pretty bad flats I'd still be running them. They were even on a 3/4 ton work truck. I can only imagine what I will get when I finally put them on my jeep.
07-01-2013 06:42 PM
Ghostface408
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I was at the Goodyear store today. The sales rep said max 30k from the Duratracs. He was pushing me to buy Silent Armor. That's why I leaned towards the BFGMT or AT.

The Duratracs are sick looking.
I don't know what's with the sales rep. My duratracs are on my dd zj. On my last rotation I was pushing 20+k miles and was at half tread. I'm gonna pull 45-50k out of mine. I check the pressure and rotate every 6-7 months.
06-30-2013 09:19 PM
Anautigirl I went with the Duratracs as well. My Jeep is my daily driver and I'm not off roading every weekend. The off roading I will be doing wont be hardcore so I didn't have a tremendous use for m/t's (although I tend to like the looks of them better). Not to mention I wanted something good in the snow. I see you are in PA so that is something to consider.
06-30-2013 08:47 AM
weaponx24 I would go with the AT's unless your going to go wheeling every weekend. And the duratracs are also your best bet! Very solid tire!
06-30-2013 08:38 AM
WininUtah If you're mostly on road go with ATs. We do a lot of barely maintained or unmaintained trails and I like MTs because they clear stones. Take a look at Hankook ATm, I use these on my Pilot and they're great.
06-30-2013 02:39 AM
Owen_TJ I prefer an AT over an MT just for the overall "purpose" of the tire...i get a lot more out of an AT

MT's look great of course...

just got new AT's today, actually.
06-30-2013 01:42 AM
DavidW954 I fitted Mud Terrain tyres and I'm regretting the decision if I'm honest. They look good but I should have gone for an AT because my driving is on road mainly.
06-29-2013 07:59 PM
Utm18 Toyo at2
06-29-2013 07:23 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by joeinajeep View Post
I have gotten 50k+ out of the bfg AT and the MT km2's. I liked both very much. I siped the MT and they were better on ice after that. My $0.02....
Have the km2 on my dually and jeep. Over 50k on the dually and I would say they have 10k remaining. Have almost 40k on the jeep with a little less than half tread remaining.
06-29-2013 07:11 PM
joeinajeep Just checked my logbook. I got 58k on the ATs, and 78k on the MTs. Yeah, 78k. Granted, they were practically bald by then...
06-29-2013 06:56 PM
Jeep Rat I was at the Goodyear store today. The sales rep said max 30k from the Duratracs. He was pushing me to buy Silent Armor. That's why I leaned towards the BFGMT or AT.

The Duratracs are sick looking.
06-29-2013 06:27 PM
joeinajeep I have gotten 50k+ out of the bfg AT and the MT km2's. I liked both very much. I siped the MT and they were better on ice after that. My $0.02....
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