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Today 10:59 AM
Beastmaster 2016 Wrangler Sport: No extras



2016 Wrangler Sahara: All the comforts



2016 Wrangler Rubicon: Go anywhere

Today 10:37 AM
blw2000 I lament all the people using JKs for daily driving as they keep pushing Chrysler to wussify the Wrangler. Why not get a Cherokee or some such? I actually prefer the older interior style of my 2010 than the new car-like interiors. And now the dash speakers face upwards on the new JKs! Think of all the crap that will accumulate in them.

Anyway, as long as the Jeep has a removable top and doors I will survive.
Today 10:11 AM
KC_Hawker
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Originally Posted by TOK View Post
I think the weatherproof interior is a write-off... Vehicles now have to have air bags and you can tell just from reading this forum that a lot of the Jeep hardcore want bluetooth, 6 speaker stereo's with subwoofers, and backup cameras with in-dash screens.

I think its going to keep getting worse with the gadgets, and its too expensive to make it waterproof.
I am one of the guys who want all the things you mentioned and I fail to see how they are contrasting ideals. With all of the electronics under the hood, how does having speakers or BT make it any less waterproof?

I be honest, I dont need water proof - its not a submarine. How often are you fully submerged? I want water resistant. No worrying about clocksprings, carpets or seats. I feel a marine grade radio/speaker/backup camera would be fine.

Edit - I also want the diesel, a better manual transmission, real bumpers stock (even if its just the Rubi X bumpers) and keep the doors removable and offer half doors with the premium top.
Yesterday 08:10 PM
snobnk Seriously.....
1...A design change to eliminate some of the water leaking issues(i know it a jeep but the older ones were a lot more water proof)

2...more comfortable back seat(angle and design)4 door

3...Factory mods reasonably priced with a warranty.

I bleed jeep and don't want to be nervous about buying a new one for 40 grand that has a 50 50 chance of leaking and we as jeepers mod the shit out of them..its what we do
Yesterday 07:47 PM
BigManAndy
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Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
I wonder how many are ordered without AC?
I ordered without AC. I never used it either of my previous 2 cars. When I went to sell them both had non functioning AC at that time. One just needed a recharge, the other had a dead compressor. So this time around I said screw it and went without it. But then again I plan on keeping it until the frame snaps in half from rot. Jeeps 3 years old and I never once said "man I wish I had AC."

I checked 2 boxes when I ordered, 3.73's and 5 speed auto.



But to stay on topic of this thread I just hope diesel is a viable option, and not some idiotic 5k add on. And solid axles remain with the low range transfer case. Oh yea the doors and top need to be removable.
Yesterday 05:31 PM
Jman197 Doing research trying to figure out all the "redesign rumors". Is the body redesign (which I believe will be the end of the Jeep we all love) on the 2016 or 2017 model?? I am trying to figure out if I am going to order a 2015 rubicon or possibly see if they put a diesel in the current JK for the 2016 with no body changes.
Yesterday 04:34 PM
TOK I think the weatherproof interior is a write-off... Vehicles now have to have air bags and you can tell just from reading this forum that a lot of the Jeep hardcore want bluetooth, 6 speaker stereo's with subwoofers, and backup cameras with in-dash screens.

I think its going to keep getting worse with the gadgets, and its too expensive to make it waterproof.
Yesterday 03:52 PM
Mikeybudo Hope no-one is upset by this post. This is just my humble opinion and I'm not a traditionalist.
Had a TJ for 8 years. Put 160,000 miles on it. Loved it. Go anywhere and it didn't matter to me if it got scratched, dirty or I hit a curb. When I needed a pick-up I traded the Wrangler for a Dodge Ram 2500. I miss the Jeep. I'm undecided about getting a JK or waiting for the next version. But that is a few years away plus I don't want to get the first year of a redesign.
The Ram is a good truck. It has solid axles and a diesel engine. However, it is big and heavy and gets pretty poor mpgs (on 35s). Turbo and transmission lag is horrible. But the torque is fantastic. I have sometimes thought that shortening the bed, chopping off the roof and putting a roll cage on it might make it almost the ideal vehicle for some on this forum. Maybe someone will try this.
I like some of the ideas presented but I think the Wrangler will continue on it's trajectory of being made more appealing to the mass market. I think it will still be off road capable.
Personally, I would have no problem with an independent suspension if it was still functional off road and inexpensive. Modernizing the exterior, perhaps as part of making the Wrangler more aerodynamic, would be fine too. I don't want a military looking truck and everything has to change at some point. I'm not a big fan of diesel but if there was no lag I might be interested. Some of the reports I see on twin turbos sound great.
My wish list would be:
- slightly longer 2 door version a la LJ for more space.
- more HP and more torque. And better MPGs....
- better built all round. My old TJ had a lot of small and not so small isssues and I hear the same thing about JKs. There's no excuse for poor build quality or poor engineering. That's not a Jeep thing.
- better manual transmission.
- weatherproof interior.
- lockable trunk space.
And, er, that's it. I'm looking forward to what Chrysler Fiat comes up with.
Yesterday 11:01 AM
happyfirst Our jeep is a DDer and not really for offroading, except beaches and simple trails.

- Better headlights
- Locking hood
- Nicer dash display with more modern lcd screen
- Deeper 2nd row seat
- auto up windows
- more usb ports. Seems like phone is plugged in, but still would be nice to also plug in a mem stick.
- Easier to close front door with hard top
- Standard mopar fuel lid with interior pull release
- slightly more raked front windshield
- 2nd row air bags


Now the crazy one, having researched lift kits. Maybe, do not weld the control arm mounts to the frame? Instead some bolt on mount such that aftermarkets could offer different bolt on mounts so that one could lift their jeep even 1" and get the castor fixed. Or maybe just some way to adjust castor to restore steering after a lift?
Yesterday 09:41 AM
Cens
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Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
Maybe I should. I have owned my current TJ for 11 yrs. without Air. Its my daily driver also, never really missed it. I maybe should this time?
I realized that my post was a bit negative sounding -- that wasn't my intent. I was remembering the misery of that A/C-less car when I was typing (I bought it in the Pacific Northwest and then moved across country to hot, swampy DC shortly thereafter). As others have said, the A/C does more than just cool. It can help dehumidify the interior and windows, and is almost a must now for resale if you decide to do that.
Yesterday 07:57 AM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
Maybe I should. I have owned my current TJ for 11 yrs. without Air. Its my daily driver also, never really missed it. I maybe should this time?
Definitely a good idea in case you ever get rid of it. It's not really a selling point but more of a selling expectation. Kinda like you expect the jeep to have heat and would be turned off if it didn't
Yesterday 07:26 AM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by Cens View Post
I've owned one car without A/C. Get it. I don't care where you live. Just get it.
+1 and if you ever decided to sell or trade it in w/o A/C you'll wish you had it.
09-30-2014 04:12 PM
mouse1
Ac

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Originally Posted by Cens View Post
I've owned one car without A/C. Get it. I don't care where you live. Just get it.
Maybe I should. I have owned my current TJ for 11 yrs. without Air. Its my daily driver also, never really missed it. I maybe should this time?
09-30-2014 03:39 PM
Cens While I've only owned my JK for about 12 days, and it is my first one, there are a few things I would like to see them add, most of which have already been mentioned:

-- Better headlights
-- Better door and freedom top seals
-- Better headlights
-- A lined floor/no carpet option
-- Better headlights

Chris
09-30-2014 03:37 PM
Cens
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
Coming from someone who doesn't have AC in their JK, GET IT! I've done this for 5 years and When it's hot and rainy it's uncomfortable to put the roof down as we don't have internal windshield wipers and you get wet. Same situation with the doors off. Keep in mind I live in New England and say this. Anywhere south of Alaska should have AC. After the boost in resale value, AC is only about a $50 option. It's well worth it
I've owned one car without A/C. Get it. I don't care where you live. Just get it.
09-30-2014 03:30 PM
jkjeeper06
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Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
I am about to order a Jk, the dealer thinks I am crazy I feel. My order consist of a Willys, No Ac, reg. soft top and no options. I like it simple.
Coming from someone who doesn't have AC in their JK, GET IT! I've done this for 5 years and When it's hot and rainy it's uncomfortable to put the roof down as we don't have internal windshield wipers and you get wet. Same situation with the doors off. Keep in mind I live in New England and say this. Anywhere south of Alaska should have AC. After the boost in resale value, AC is only about a $50 option. It's well worth it
09-30-2014 03:07 PM
demarpaint The 3.0L VM diesel from the Ram and GC.
09-30-2014 03:04 PM
copperhead_1
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Originally Posted by TOK View Post
He knows the lack of air will kill your resale by more than it costs to add it. If you plan to drive it till it dies, no big deal! Only two options I checked off was A/C and 3.73's. I don't use the A/C much (mostly top off from April-Nov), but I'm glad I ordered it.
True! I was all about finding a bare bones sport and modding it out. Ended up with pretty much every option you can get put on there. AC definitely comes in handy when going somewhere in the summer and are not trying to show up looking like you just got out a swimming pool (for all you major perspirers out there)!!
09-30-2014 02:56 PM
mouse1
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Originally Posted by TOK View Post
He knows the lack of air will kill your resale by more than it costs to add it. If you plan to drive it till it dies, no big deal!

Only two options I checked off was A/C and 3.73's. I don't use the A/C much (mostly top off from April-Nov), but I'm glad I ordered it.
I wonder how many are ordered without AC?
09-30-2014 11:22 AM
TOK
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Originally Posted by mouse1 View Post
I am about to order a Jk, the dealer thinks I am crazy I feel. My order consist of a Willys, No Ac, reg. soft top and no options. I like it simple.
He knows the lack of air will kill your resale by more than it costs to add it. If you plan to drive it till it dies, no big deal!

Only two options I checked off was A/C and 3.73's. I don't use the A/C much (mostly top off from April-Nov), but I'm glad I ordered it.
09-30-2014 11:02 AM
mouse1
Basic

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Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
And eventually; the JEEP as we know it will go away. As I stated, all the niceties could be options for the people that want them. If enough people bitch about the leaky roof, a non removeable roof will take its place eventually. If enough people bitch about the aerodynamics, it will get more streamlined, if enough people bitch about the solid front axle, it will be replaced with IFS. Just simple marketing. I didn't say a word about the capabilities of JK vs TJ vs YJ vs CJ. The JK in stock form is a VERY capable unit. I Just don't need nor want all the frills and it would be nice if it were available that way. All the plastic fascia's that aren't necessary, along with sound bars, sub-woofer and all other un-necessary stuff will eventually go away on mine, so why did I need to pay for it? I just wanted a JEEP! A new version of the CJ5 with JK suspension and EFI. The plain sport still has too much non weather proof electronics for this type of vehicle IMHO.
I am about to order a Jk, the dealer thinks I am crazy I feel. My order consist of a Willys, No Ac, reg. soft top and no options. I like it simple.
09-30-2014 10:25 AM
Boothill If anything....LESS! It's a Wrangler, make it simple and reliable as originally intended.

If you want more, buy a Land Rover!
09-30-2014 09:33 AM
mouse1
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Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
No nav
No radio
No heated seats
No auto lamps
No electric windows
No auto connect
No air conditioning
No plastic fascia's nor valance's
No plastic fender flares
Of course this stuff could all be optional for the hummer drivers that now want a JEEP; But then the options below would be worth having!
Dana 44's standard; D 60's option
35" tires standard; 37's optional
A real roll cage
A real choice of gearing options from 3.73 all the way thru 5.38
Selectable lockers optional on all trim levels
4:1 Transfer case optional on all trim levels
Manual tranny with a true low gear.
Just a damn JEEP with out all the lace and frills!!
I like the way you think! Ditto
09-30-2014 09:16 AM
Tactical Bacon
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Originally Posted by MattK View Post
A busted up TJ maybe. My nephew has one he has to use a pair of scissors to start...don't ask. Still has plenty of plastic and all the other crap.
At least it has the venerable Steel Grill & Fenders!
09-30-2014 09:14 AM
nighowl2000
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Originally Posted by KC_Hawker View Post
I thought Fiat was doing this with the Mini-Jeep based on the Fiat 500.
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09-29-2014 10:04 PM
MattK
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Originally Posted by Tactical Bacon View Post
Sounds like you want a TJ!
A busted up TJ maybe. My nephew has one he has to use a pair of scissors to start...don't ask. Still has plenty of plastic and all the other crap.
09-29-2014 10:00 PM
Tactical Bacon
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Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
No nav
No radio
No heated seats
No auto lamps
No electric windows
No auto connect
No air conditioning
No plastic fascia's nor valance's
No plastic fender flares
Of course this stuff could all be optional for the hummer drivers that now want a JEEP; But then the options below would be worth having!
Dana 44's standard; D 60's option
35" tires standard; 37's optional
A real roll cage
A real choice of gearing options from 3.73 all the way thru 5.38
Selectable lockers optional on all trim levels
4:1 Transfer case optional on all trim levels
Manual tranny with a true low gear.
Just a damn JEEP with out all the lace and frills!!
Sounds like you want a TJ!
12-19-2013 08:12 AM
Paul04tj
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Originally Posted by machz View Post
Federal mandate for one
Should be able to meet the Fed's with the current platform. No need for the new model yet.
12-17-2013 09:01 PM
romz26 I do plan on getting my jeep in 2015 but to the latest 2016 if they put a diesel in it. My list would be...

Diesel package(comes with d60 rear and d44 front, with option for free float d60 and 1 ton d60 front)
No carpet/bed liner.
Flat bottom(will help with aerodynamics)
Dual battery's
J30 top for an option
Tuffy security products.
12-17-2013 11:31 AM
jdyowa
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Originally Posted by Ramathorn40 View Post

I think it's funny that people who don't own an iPhone always have to make comments about people who do.

I thought this was a jeep forum, not a teenage cell phone bash...
Someone needs a Snickers
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