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08-03-2013 03:33 PM
Gunman97 Yea the yellow and blue wire are pretty thick and that's the only place that I could run them through
07-13-2013 10:11 PM
1jeeplvr Maybe a silly question but why a yellow & blue wire? Also they dont look like a thick enough gauge wire,not sure which is batt positive for a lot of amperage.Maybe its just the pix?
07-13-2013 09:38 PM
jherrington
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Originally Posted by gbendezu View Post
sorry jherrington, I know how much of a physics genius you must be and forgot to check with you on it. next time I need some help with physics i'll be sure to come looking for you in a jiffy!
Mark twain said it best. But, I just thought maybe you shouldn't lecture someone on a subject that you aren't comfortable with.
07-13-2013 09:26 PM
gbendezu sorry jherrington, I know how much of a physics genius you must be and forgot to check with you on it. next time I need some help with physics i'll be sure to come looking for you in a jiffy!
07-13-2013 09:15 PM
jherrington Just let him sit in his physics world by himself.
07-13-2013 09:12 PM
Mulvihill64
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Originally Posted by gbendezu View Post
think about it this way, a jeep weights about 3500 lbs, and for that you need an 8k lb winch due to dual sides pulling also known as newton's third law. (remember "every action has an equal but opposite reaction" from physics) basically when you pull against tree to pull yourself out youre gonna be pulling with about 3500 and the tree will be "pulling" just as much, equaling to 7000 lbs of force, however when starting the initial pull, because gravity has been pulling down on you its gonna be especially hard to start (remember being a little kid and trying to push a big drawer and having to push really hard initially but then it was smooth sailing? also being newtons first law. by using a snatch block (pulley) youre not DOUBLING your pulling strength (physics law of conservation of enery) basically, with a normal set up your machine will pull a rate of foot per foot. while with a pulley, while there is less load on the machine, it will pull at a rate of foot per half a foot. basically doing the same amount of work in the end. return the winch, save your paychecks and get a smittybilt xrc8000 winch GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY WHEELIN!
Yes, the forces are in equal and opposite directions, but that doesn't mean there is double the strain on the line. If you want to get technical the winch is just creating tension (Ft) on the line between the anchor point and the jeep. That tension is both acting on the jeep and the anchor, but since the anchor is in theory unmovable, the jeep moves. All newtons law is saying is that the force of the winch pull is applied both to the jeep in one direction and the anchor in the opposite.
07-13-2013 08:06 PM
Nissantech Ill have my xrc8 in a week!!!! Can't wait but still no lift or tires thought I would do those last I can pull myself up a tree with a winch, and my 2006 weighs 4,550
07-13-2013 07:46 PM
flflash
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Originally Posted by gbendezu View Post
think about it this way, a jeep weights about 3500 lbs, and for that you need an 8k lb winch due to dual sides pulling also known as newton's third law. (remember "every action has an equal but opposite reaction" from physics) basically when you pull against tree to pull yourself out youre gonna be pulling with about 3500 and the tree will be "pulling" just as much, equaling to 7000 lbs of force, however when starting the initial pull, because gravity has been pulling down on you its gonna be especially hard to start (remember being a little kid and trying to push a big drawer and having to push really hard initially but then it was smooth sailing? also being newtons first law. by using a snatch block (pulley) youre not DOUBLING your pulling strength (physics law of conservation of enery) basically, with a normal set up your machine will pull a rate of foot per foot. while with a pulley, while there is less load on the machine, it will pull at a rate of foot per half a foot. basically doing the same amount of work in the end. return the winch, save your paychecks and get a smittybilt xrc8000 winch GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY WHEELIN!
Enjoyed the read but that's not how winches are rated their rated by line pull.
07-13-2013 07:03 PM
1jeeplvr There has been many times (once last wk) when I had to either pull someone,or myself(doesent happen much being now locked front & rear) that the mud creates a suction,sort of like when you step in mud & your shoe stays but you pulled your foot out.It made my 8k Warn work really hard,put a lot of strain on my batt.I actually got a really good Sears batt after that.A 5k winch wouldent have done the job,Im sure.
07-13-2013 06:32 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by gbendezu View Post
think about it this way, a jeep weights about 3500 lbs, and for that you need an 8k lb winch due to dual sides pulling also known as newton's third law. (remember "every action has an equal but opposite reaction" from physics) basically when you pull against tree to pull yourself out youre gonna be pulling with about 3500 and the tree will be "pulling" just as much, equaling to 7000 lbs of force, however when starting the initial pull, because gravity has been pulling down on you its gonna be especially hard to start (remember being a little kid and trying to push a big drawer and having to push really hard initially but then it was smooth sailing? also being newtons first law. by using a snatch block (pulley) youre not DOUBLING your pulling strength (physics law of conservation of enery) basically, with a normal set up your machine will pull a rate of foot per foot. while with a pulley, while there is less load on the machine, it will pull at a rate of foot per half a foot. basically doing the same amount of work in the end. return the winch, save your paychecks and get a smittybilt xrc8000 winch GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY WHEELIN!
This just took my physics to a whole new level! Lol but anyway thanks for the advice
07-10-2013 10:29 PM
jherrington Facepalm at ^ and his physics lesson.
07-10-2013 08:20 PM
gbendezu think about it this way, a jeep weights about 3500 lbs, and for that you need an 8k lb winch due to dual sides pulling also known as newton's third law. (remember "every action has an equal but opposite reaction" from physics) basically when you pull against tree to pull yourself out youre gonna be pulling with about 3500 and the tree will be "pulling" just as much, equaling to 7000 lbs of force, however when starting the initial pull, because gravity has been pulling down on you its gonna be especially hard to start (remember being a little kid and trying to push a big drawer and having to push really hard initially but then it was smooth sailing? also being newtons first law. by using a snatch block (pulley) youre not DOUBLING your pulling strength (physics law of conservation of enery) basically, with a normal set up your machine will pull a rate of foot per foot. while with a pulley, while there is less load on the machine, it will pull at a rate of foot per half a foot. basically doing the same amount of work in the end. return the winch, save your paychecks and get a smittybilt xrc8000 winch GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY WHEELIN!
07-10-2013 05:41 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Gunman97 View Post
When I went to the store it was 300 and I found out it went on sale a few weeks after that
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07-10-2013 05:24 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
No way to swap out to even a true vehicle winch for like $70 more? This ones on sale, that extra 1000lb capacity would serve you well IMO: Off-Road Vehicle Winch with Automatic Load-Holding Brake
When I went to the store it was 300 and I found out it went on sale a few weeks after that
07-10-2013 05:21 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Yes that is true. Think about using a lever against something & how much more force you can apply the longer the lever is.

The radius (length of the lever) between the center of the winch drum & the top outer-most layer of winch rope is longer than is the radius (length of the lever) is between the center of the winch drum & first (inner-most) layer of rope. So a load pulling on the winch's hook has more leverage (a longer lever) against the winch & its motor when it is pulling on the top outer-most layer than it does when it is pulling on the bottom inner-most layer.

Kind of like it is easier to accelerate your Jeep when in 1st gear than in 5th gear. The winch will pull an unloaded rope with more speed when the winch rope is being pulled from the top layer, but it will have more power when it is pulling the rope from right next to the drum, its inner-most layer when the load it is pulling has the least amount of lever length available to it to work against the winch motor.
That makes sense to me lol.
07-10-2013 11:54 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Gunman97 View Post
My winch was 199.99. Ill just have to spool it out a ways and snatch block it. Maybe that will work a little better
No way to swap out to even a true vehicle winch for like $70 more? This ones on sale, that extra 1000lb capacity would serve you well IMO: Off-Road Vehicle Winch with Automatic Load-Holding Brake
07-09-2013 09:05 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Gunman97 View Post
I don't understand why it would be more on the last row of line but I heard about that before and didn't know if it was true.
Yes that is true. Think about using a lever against something & how much more force you can apply the longer the lever is.

The radius (length of the lever) between the center of the winch drum & the top outer-most layer of winch rope is longer than is the radius (length of the lever) is between the center of the winch drum & first (inner-most) layer of rope. So a load pulling on the winch's hook has more leverage (a longer lever) against the winch & its motor when it is pulling on the top outer-most layer than it does when it is pulling on the bottom inner-most layer.

Kind of like it is easier to accelerate your Jeep when in 1st gear than in 5th gear. The winch will pull an unloaded rope with more speed when the winch rope is being pulled from the top layer, but it will have more power when it is pulling the rope from right next to the drum, its inner-most layer when the load it is pulling has the least amount of lever length available to it to work against the winch motor.
07-09-2013 08:02 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by eddieb1965 View Post
If you bought that winch new it will have a manual that will tell you the greatest pulling power is at the bottom of the drum and will significantly drop as more cable is added. Read the manual carefully,there are some useful tips.If you are snatch blocking,you are going to have more cable out ,moreso than a single line pull.There are some pretty good quality winches out there for around 300.00 that would be more in range than the 5000 lb. winch you have.
My winch was 199.99. Ill just have to spool it out a ways and snatch block it. Maybe that will work a little better
07-09-2013 07:52 PM
eddieb1965 If you bought that winch new it will have a manual that will tell you the greatest pulling power is at the bottom of the drum and will significantly drop as more cable is added. Read the manual carefully,there are some useful tips.If you are snatch blocking,you are going to have more cable out ,moreso than a single line pull.There are some pretty good quality winches out there for around 300.00 that would be more in range than the 5000 lb. winch you have.
07-09-2013 07:37 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post

Remember....your winch can pull about 5k on the last row of line.......the first row(right when u pull it out)will have significantly less pulling torque.....that winch might not get you out of all situations.......
I don't understand why it would be more on the last row of line but I heard about that before and didn't know if it was true. I hope it will work for the small stuff tho
07-09-2013 07:32 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Gunman97 View Post
One more question does anyone know how much a tj actually weighs? Or a close estimate?
Remember....your winch can pull about 5k on the last row of line.......the first row(right when u pull it out)will have significantly less pulling torque.....that winch might not get you out of all situations.......
07-09-2013 07:23 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by RnEmOvr View Post
My jeep weighed 4006 pounds in this picture, at the time it had a 4cyl, 5spd 30/35 combo, those are 33s. When I weighed it, it had no doors or top, 1/4 tank of gas, no tools, me and a passenger.
Thanks for the info! And very nice lookin jeep
07-08-2013 07:59 PM
RnEmOvr My jeep weighed 4006 pounds in this picture, at the time it had a 4cyl, 5spd 30/35 combo, those are 33s. When I weighed it, it had no doors or top, 1/4 tank of gas, no tools, me and a passenger.

07-08-2013 06:42 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by travis_rt View Post
I believe the sticker inside the door jam reads about 3750 LBS if im not mistaken
Oh thank you I didn't know that was there
07-08-2013 06:25 PM
travis_rt I believe the sticker inside the door jam reads about 3750 LBS if im not mistaken
07-08-2013 06:21 PM
Gunman97 One more question does anyone know how much a tj actually weighs? Or a close estimate?
07-08-2013 06:01 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post

Round I hope. I hated stacking the square bails on the hayrack. Then having to stack them again in the barn.
Nope all square bails and if I'm lucky they won't be wet. Everytime I end up bailing I work at least a 12 hour day and put up around 1,000 bails. Thanks god I'm on the wagon most of the time
07-08-2013 05:56 PM
nick50471
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Originally Posted by Gunman97 View Post
Thank you all for the advice I don't plan on doin any super mudding but ill more than likely get stuck at some point. So I figured I needed at least a little winch to help out. And when I go back to work hay bailing ill put some money back for a new winch when this one takes a shit. Once again thanks y'all!!
Round I hope. I hated stacking the square bails on the hayrack. Then having to stack them again in the barn.
07-08-2013 05:48 PM
Gunman97
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Well, yes a snatch block will double its pulling capacity but if you start using that winch a lot, you'll start wishing for a heavier capacity model before too long. But if you bought that on your own at 16, well that's pretty darned good. Just start saving your $$$ for a higher capacity model winch later down the road.
Thank you! I work pretty hard for the stuff I put on my jeep. It was totally stock until I got ahold of it. Let the transformation begin
07-08-2013 05:43 PM
Gunman97 Thank you all for the advice I don't plan on doin any super mudding but ill more than likely get stuck at some point. So I figured I needed at least a little winch to help out. And when I go back to work hay bailing ill put some money back for a new winch when this one takes a shit. Once again thanks y'all!!
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