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07-16-2013 03:22 PM
JakeBreen
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Originally Posted by All Terrain TJ View Post

Nice looking wheel and tire combo.
Here is another style Ion Alloy with 33x12.5x15 GY Duratracs.
I'm usually not a fan of black, but to be honest I really like those wheels. Good choice
07-16-2013 03:21 PM
JakeBreen
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Originally Posted by flipmeover View Post

Love those tires with the ion rims! Have you seen any variants of that rim in a brushed aluminum look? That's the style I like but I prefer matte over polished (no chrome to keep it company).

I spoke with discount tire this afternoon and if I go with the 10.5s I could be out the door with the KOs and similar rims (all 5 wheels) for ~1500. Spent about 4 hours tonight researching and couldn't find a better price online. The only hold up I have now is the rims... well, and cash but when has that ever stopped a mod?
Go to ion alloy .com (www.thewheelgroup.com) they have all kinds of options!
07-16-2013 05:15 AM
All Terrain JK
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
Ion alloy wheels and bfg 33 12.5 r15
Nice looking wheel and tire combo.
Here is another style Ion Alloy with 33x12.5x15 GY Duratracs.

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07-15-2013 11:08 PM
flipmeover
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
Ion alloy wheels and bfg 33 12.5 r15

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Love those tires with the ion rims! Have you seen any variants of that rim in a brushed aluminum look? That's the style I like but I prefer matte over polished (no chrome to keep it company).

I spoke with discount tire this afternoon and if I go with the 10.5s I could be out the door with the KOs and similar rims (all 5 wheels) for ~1500. Spent about 4 hours tonight researching and couldn't find a better price online. The only hold up I have now is the rims... well, and cash but when has that ever stopped a mod?
07-15-2013 10:48 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
I think the wheels were... $400? And the tires were $840 (mount/balance) included
I think you made a wise decision.
07-15-2013 10:44 PM
JakeBreen I think the wheels were... $400? And the tires were $840 (mount/balance) included
07-15-2013 10:38 PM
TJMichael
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
They look good together
I think so, too!
07-15-2013 10:29 PM
JakeBreen They look good together
07-15-2013 10:02 PM
TJMichael
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
Ion alloy wheels and bfg 33 12.5 r15
Those are the exact same tires and wheels I am running, except I have the white letters turned in. They ride and drive well so far.
07-15-2013 09:16 PM
JakeBreen Ion alloy wheels and bfg 33 12.5 r15

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07-15-2013 02:41 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
Well, the facts up here say that everybody around here runs a 12.50.
A big reason why most run 12.5" wide tires is due to availability. Another reason too is just because you have a lot of people who run them just due to looks, not because they perform or integrate better necessarily. Personally, I could care less how "cool" my LJ looks, especially when Im inside driving when I can't even see em. My first concern is total integration and performance.........looks are very low on my totem pole.

The big downside with 10.5" wide tires is the fact that there are limited choices. 33" tires its not a big problem finding them. But 35"s and larger its almost non existent. My 10.5" wide 35" tires were $$$ to the tune of $350 each.......which is why I run them only when needed.
07-15-2013 02:34 PM
Ironhead Jed 10.5's are better in certain situations, but def not all. it depends what you will be doing. i hate mud and love the rocks, so a 12.5 is great for me. fenders dont limit my uptravel so thats not an issue. i am currently undergeared for my tires at 4.10s but am piecing together parts for 5.38, added to the 4:1 TC, and 12.5's fit my rig perfectly. the question is what fits your rig and your location
07-15-2013 02:12 PM
JakeBreen Well, the facts up here say that everybody around here runs a 12.50.
07-15-2013 02:08 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by JakeBreen View Post
Yeah, but




A: 12.5 float more in mud, and leave a bigger footprint

B: less chance of roll over beacause you are covering more clearance width wise

C:you dont really need bumpstop extensions unless you're going to do some serious bottoming out

D: its all in everyones own opinion.
A. You don't want to float in the mud. Reason why mud rigs use skinny tires.

B. Nope, that all depends on total track width/backspacing of rim and COG of the vehicle. You can run narrower tires and have a track footprint just as wide as wider tires. The track on my LJ is about 4-5" wider than a stock rig since I use rims with 3.5" BSing.

C. When you stuff one tire up a narrower tire has better overall clearance under the fender and flare, especially if you're running stock fenders. In my case though it doesn't matter since my up travel is not limited by the fenders.

D. Some things are opinion based(looks for instance), some points though are just facts.
07-15-2013 01:42 PM
JakeBreen Yeah, but




A: 12.5 float more in mud, and leave a bigger footprint

B: less chance of roll over beacause you are covering more clearance width wise

C:you dont really need bumpstop extensions unless you're going to do some serious bottoming out

D: its all in everyones own opinion.
07-15-2013 01:22 PM
Beachcomber I have the BFG KO's and have no complaints they ride smooth and no road noise to speak off and seem to last forever. I drive mostly on the road and sand. I have not used them in the mud but I can see how they may get clogged up. If I had to do it again I would by them again.
07-15-2013 11:45 AM
Los57 Firestone Destination A/T's handle just fine in the rain and mud. I ran them for a year before going to BFG's. My first trip in the Jeep was up to northern AZ because they had a bunch of rain & I wanted to go play. The treads will pack with mud a bit but I never got stuck and never completely lost traction. Driving ability and picking your routes plays a big factor there, though. The downside is they won't last as long as a BFG. You'll probably get 40-50k miles out of them with proper rotation but that seems to be about half of what the KO's get on average.
07-15-2013 11:24 AM
geoffmarton
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Originally Posted by flipmeover View Post

I agree. The hard part for me is reframing everyone's opinions in a way that applies to me. I really appreciate everyone's insights, but it's hard to discern what are real issues or non-issues because environment, terrain, and driving style have to factor in. For instance, where I'm at in central Florida, I couldn't care less about snow performance, but I really need to have good rain performance.

Comments about specific problems are definitely helpful though. Like Bone-Saw's comment about hydroplaning on large puddles gives me something to think about. What I'd love to see is a side by side comparison of tires under fixed conditions like from on off road magazine.

Oh well... I should probably just stop whining and pull the trigger. I always choose wrong before I chose right, so keep an eye out on the 'for sale' forum and maybe you can buy my mistakes on the cheap
I will likely be able to give you a first-hand report on the Destination A/Ts in FL rain tonight. 38 mile drove from work, mostly highway. We'll see what Mother Nature has in store.
07-15-2013 11:01 AM
NJO ^ Read the last 2 posts #46,47........
07-15-2013 10:58 AM
Ironhead Jed
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
A. 12.5" wide duratracs make more noise than my 10.5" AT KO's.......I know this directly. My next door neighbor runs 12.5" duratracs on his JK unlimited. Enough so where its noticeable........the 12.5" wide BFG AT KO's make even more noise than the 12.5" duratracs.....I know and agree.....I used to run em. One big reason why I swapped em out to the 10.5" wides.

B. And offset rim can take care of most on road steering rubbing sure, but 10.5"s actually gain more clearance under the fender when flexing on uptravel and steering during uptravel, require a bit less lift/bumpstopping to fit properly. Again big picture kiddo.

C. Yes its minor.....but as I said.....small things add up. Big picture, remember that.

D. Read C.

Personal attack? Nothing useful to say? Really? Debating your points hasn't been hard, and Im sorry your skin is thin. I forgot you have no issues being part of some rib poking as long as its not directed at you.
hahahaha, well once again you are giving whats best for your jeep. your opinion was stated on the first page, yet you feel the need to fight anyone that has a different one, claiming yours is the only correct one. and making insanely wild claims throughout your rants. its all good bro, doesnt matter to me one bit. the only reason i posted in this thread was to give the op a difference of opinion as reading your posts is like watching a michael moore documentary
07-15-2013 10:55 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by All Terrain TJ View Post
Not trying to get in a pissing match here. I wheel my Jeep pretty hard and she ain't been on her lid yet. Knock on wood.....
No pissing match at all. I consider this friendly banter......and honestly we ALL can learn things here. Again, different points of view and debates are GOOD and all this info can only benefit the people who are reading it with interest. To know that my input and input of others(whether its my point of view or not)has helped make another member make a well informed buying decision for THEIR OWN NEEDS is good enough for me.
07-15-2013 10:52 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
which is another thing you left out when claiming that your rig on 33x10.5 bfg at's was passing guys on 12.5" mtr's and bfg mt's

its all in the details
I didn't leave out anything, in fact it was mentioned. Obviously though, your reading skills lack.

But I'll requote what I said:

Quote:
In all fairness though, some of this is also due to the fact as well that my LJ has a bit more weight and better suspension geometry as well compared to some of those TJ and XJ's. But that is where careful "big picture" planning on upgrades etc. comes into play.
07-15-2013 10:49 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
a. please tell me how much road noise a 12.5" duratrac makes. i'm on my second set and they are and always have been silent. My old set of 12.5" kide bfg at's made some noise, but i account that to the ancient design

b. this is a moot point for most, aftermarket rims take care of the rubbing, and flare laws are only in a few states.

c. very minor in reality, unless you are running 3.07 gears or a 4 banger

d. this is true, but again, minor. its not like a 10.5" tire is a super skinny pizza cutter



ahhh, personal attack, i knew you sounded familiar. that always comes out when you have nothing useful to say


all of these things may be best for your scenario, but there isnt a single best flavor for a jeep, as you are trying to display.

all of those minor things in certain situations do not outweigh the benefits in others for the wheeling that i do
A. 12.5" wide duratracs make more noise than my 10.5" AT KO's.......I know this directly. My next door neighbor runs 12.5" duratracs on his JK unlimited. Enough so where its noticeable........the 12.5" wide BFG AT KO's make even more noise than the 12.5" duratracs.....I know and agree.....I used to run em. One big reason why I swapped em out to the 10.5" wides.

B. And offset rim can take care of most on road steering rubbing sure, but 10.5"s actually gain more clearance under the fender when flexing on uptravel and steering during uptravel, require a bit less lift/bumpstopping to fit properly. Again big picture kiddo.

C. Yes its minor.....but as I said.....small things add up. Big picture, remember that.

D. Read C.

Personal attack? Nothing useful to say? Really? Debating your points hasn't been hard, and Im sorry your skin is thin. I forgot you have no issues being part of some rib poking as long as its not directed at you.
07-15-2013 10:49 AM
All Terrain JK
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Really? What if your A/BO/D angles aren't the limiting factors? What about higher COG, stability, AS/AD #'s etc? And suspension travel/flex? Highly questionable. Its all in the details.
Not trying to get in a pissing match here. I wheel my Jeep pretty hard and she ain't been on her lid yet. Knock on wood.....
07-15-2013 10:46 AM
Ironhead Jed
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Really? What if your A/BO/D angles aren't the limiting factors? What about higher COG, stability, AS/AD #'s etc? And suspension travel/flex? Highly questionable. Its all in the details.
which is another thing you left out when claiming that your rig on 33x10.5 bfg at's was passing guys on 12.5" mtr's and bfg mt's

its all in the details
07-15-2013 10:45 AM
All Terrain JK Also if you are concerned about tire coverage get wider flares. As you can see in my above pic, my tires are fully covered and legal in any state. Again I'm not trying to make up anyone's mind just stating my opinion (as is the threads title). I love my Jeep and I have made it my own.
07-15-2013 10:41 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by All Terrain TJ View Post
Other than approach, break over, departure angles, and suspension travel (flex).
Really? What if your A/BO/D angles aren't the limiting factors? What about higher COG, stability, AS/AD #'s etc? And suspension travel/flex? Highly questionable. Its all in the details.
07-15-2013 10:40 AM
Ironhead Jed
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
So which claims and benefits I state are you questioning?

A. Narrower tires have less road noise compared to wider counterparts
B. Narrower tires have less issues with clearance, rubbing, or staying inside the fender flares
C. Narrower tires are lighter(more power transmitted to the road, and easier to stop, less wear and tear on components)
D. Better snow/wet/mud traction(smaller, narrower contact patch means more weight per square inch)


All of these granted "small" benefits add up. I originally swapped out my 12.5" AT KO's for the 10.5" counterparts and the day to day difference overall was very noticeable and worthwhile. And I didn't lose any performance in the dry rocks and terrain.
a. please tell me how much road noise a 12.5" duratrac makes. i'm on my second set and they are and always have been silent. My old set of 12.5" kide bfg at's made some noise, but i account that to the ancient design

b. this is a moot point for most, aftermarket rims take care of the rubbing, and flare laws are only in a few states.

c. very minor in reality, unless you are running 3.07 gears or a 4 banger

d. this is true, but again, minor. its not like a 10.5" tire is a super skinny pizza cutter

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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
That's probably because you think that bigger ='s better. Your wife/SO got you self conscious?
ahhh, personal attack, i knew you sounded familiar. that always comes out when you have nothing useful to say


all of these things may be best for your scenario, but there isnt a single best flavor for a jeep, as you are trying to display.

all of those minor things in certain situations do not outweigh the benefits in others for the wheeling that i do
07-15-2013 10:35 AM
All Terrain JK
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
You can spend thousands of dollars more on a built up TJ with 35's and 37's etc and gain NOTHING whatsoever for off road potential, but lose a lot in terms of a DD.
Other than approach, break over, departure angles, and suspension travel (flex).
07-15-2013 10:31 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
this has me questioning your logic
That's probably because you think that bigger ='s better. Your wife/SO got you self conscious?

People can disagree with any of my claims and opinions and choose what they want for their rigs, but the opinions given will allow others to take things into consideration ideas and reasoning they might not thought of.
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