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07-21-2013 06:13 PM
Dollar That's why I mentioned camping along the White Rim. This time of year, you can pretty much pick your spot. Spring and fall requires you to book months in advance. Last year we showed up and had our pick in July. We got picked White Crack, which is their most popular and sought after sight. It was open for all of July and Aug. LOL!
07-18-2013 04:24 PM
jadmt
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You should know though - you can't camp just anywhere along the White Rim. There are, I believe, five designated campgrounds and you'll need an assigned spot in one of those if you're driving the White Rim. Probably not very difficult to get one if it's really hot.
I know at the end of June getting camping spots was a non issue.
07-18-2013 11:52 AM
Terex Great info everyone!! We're getting a VMI off-road trailer built and plan to be hitting these areas, and many others, over the coming years. We were just talking about how much fun it's going to be to visit Yellowstone.

I especially appreciate the info on areas where you can/can't camp.
07-18-2013 09:42 AM
kgg
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Originally Posted by Dollar View Post
Or hit the Island visitor center, pay $30 for a backcountry permit, pick a site along the White Rim and knock out some great views, 4x4 roads and camping all in one shot.
You should know though - you can't camp just anywhere along the White Rim. There are, I believe, five designated campgrounds and you'll need an assigned spot in one of those if you're driving the White Rim. Probably not very difficult to get one if it's really hot.
07-18-2013 12:06 AM
The General
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post

Waterton canada? 3 hikers got struck by lightening in Glacier today.
Ya, the Canadian side of Glacier. There was a storm watch here today but it turned out to be quite a minor storm, the clouds to the south were definitely darker. That's awful about the hikers
07-17-2013 09:54 PM
DaisyCutter I just got back from Moab.

A skilled hand can do #5 Rated trails on 31" tires (I needed to air down). Camping is good In Canyonlands National Park. I also like Camping in Goblin Valley, a few hours West of Moab, enroute to Zion National Park

My Moab Vids:

Poison Spider Mesa, Moab 1 of 4 - YouTube

Poison Spider Mesa, Moab 2 of 4 - YouTube

Poison Spider Mesa, Moab 3 of 4 - YouTube

Poison Spider Mesa, Moab 4 of 4 - YouTube


Amazing place!! I'll be back soon!
07-17-2013 09:42 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by The General View Post
Hey that would be great man. As of right now it's looking like around the 9th. It will depend on how many stops I decide on along the way.

There have been lots of great ideas offered and I'm still working on an itinerary....which is difficult as I'm in Waterton camping for 2 weeks with poor wifi and 3G service.
Waterton canada? 3 hikers got struck by lightening in Glacier today.
07-17-2013 08:33 PM
Utahpete To give you some idea about mountain biking in Moab look at this

Utah Mountain Bike Trail Index Page

and click on Moab

There are a great variety of trails and more being built all of the time.
I can suggest some nice intermediate trails, but would suggest you stay away from some with exposure to severe drop offs

Pete
07-17-2013 07:29 PM
The General
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Originally Posted by Utahpete View Post
Moab is hot now 95-105 during the day and lucky to get down to 70 by morning.
Monsoon season has started so there could be afternoon wind and thunderstorms daily. Not great if you are in a tent
Some trails and washes are impassable if wet, no joke.
Let me know when you are going to be in Moab as I do a lot of mountain biking and hiking and know some great trails and would be happy to show you some as time permits

Pete
Hey that would be great man. As of right now it's looking like around the 9th. It will depend on how many stops I decide on along the way.

There have been lots of great ideas offered and I'm still working on an itinerary....which is difficult as I'm in Waterton camping for 2 weeks with poor wifi and 3G service.
07-17-2013 02:30 PM
Utahpete Moab is hot now 95-105 during the day and lucky to get down to 70 by morning.
Monsoon season has started so there could be afternoon wind and thunderstorms daily. Not great if you are in a tent
Some trails and washes are impassable if wet, no joke.
Let me know when you are going to be in Moab as I do a lot of mountain biking and hiking and know some great trails and would be happy to show you some as time permits

Pete
07-17-2013 02:11 PM
NFRs2000NYC Don't know much about em, but maybe you can buy 2 cheap beadlock wheels, that way you can just have a spare tire (no wheel) for the trailer and can easily change it out on the trail.
07-17-2013 02:08 PM
The General
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Originally Posted by unusedusername View Post

It's a bit costly but if you match the tires on the trailer with the tires on the Jeep then you can share a spare between them.
Ya that was my initial plan but you're correct, it's not cheap or simple. New hubs, spacers, fenders and a SOA swap. 2 new Pintlers and duratracs make the cost as much as the trailer and the work to date. Hence, why for the time being I'm sticking with stock M101 wheels and looking for a spare.
07-16-2013 02:26 PM
unusedusername
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Originally Posted by The General View Post
Ya no spare for the trailer. I just finished it but need a few things for completing it...like a spare. Lol
It's a bit costly but if you match the tires on the trailer with the tires on the Jeep then you can share a spare between them.
07-16-2013 01:33 PM
damndirtydog When in Moab, be sure to go to Deadhorse state park. It's like being in the Grand Canyon. Not sure where access points are but there's several dirt roads that run along the Colorado river that you can see from Dead horse point.
As u come into Moab there's a large RV and tent campground that has a lot of amenities. We always stay at the Arches Inn right down from the campground.
Best time that we have found for Yellowstone is the end of May. The place is practically deserted. It's still cold at night, but days have cool pleasant temps and lodging and campgrounds are easy to book. We quit going in the summer all together. If you hike, bear activity is lower in the in the spring and the animals are all at the lower elevations feeding, due to the higher areas still have snow. So you'll see tons more buffalo, elk, deer.
07-16-2013 01:09 PM
PRWhitby All great suggestions/comments. I'm actually heading out tomorrow to hit Glacier and Yellowstone. First real stop is Teddy Roosevelt NP in Western N. Dakota.
07-16-2013 01:05 PM
WininUtah We've done Moab and Yellowstone over the last couple of years. Folks are right about the Beartooth Pass and Chief Joseph Hwy, both are incredible. Cooke City is neat little town at the NE Entrance, try Miner's Saloon for pizza or burgers.

If you can stand the heat Moab will be great. Not sure how much hiking you'll do but there is a lot to see even on short ones. Arches is amazing and just spending an evening there would be great. Needles is remote, there is a campground outside the entrance, just be nice to Terry.

I'm big on having books on where I travel, these are good:

Yellowstone Trails by Mark Marschall (got it a VC in Yellowstone)
Canyonlands and Vicinty by Michael Kelsey at Amazon All Kelsey's books are good!

Win
07-16-2013 11:37 AM
Off Pavement South of Yellowstone on the east side of Jackson Hole is national forest land you can camp on for free, it's close to Jackson, and there is really easy wheeling in the area. Send me a PM if you need to know more info than the maps shows exactly how to get to the designated free area...



This is our old RV camped at the location...



The Gros Ventre (pronounced grow vont) campground inside Grand Teton National Park is never completely full as far as I know and you should be able to stay there as well.

If you go this route, the Mangy Moose in Teton Village is a fun place, and you should not miss the Million Dollar Cowboy Bar across from the town square in Jackson. If you need a motel in town, you might try the Antlers a block south of the town square. Jackson has daily gunfights and almost daily rodeo. The boardwalk sidewalks are a nice touch as is the antler passageways into town square.

I don't recommend the Microtel in Moab, unless you really like small rooms as in microscopic. Was clean though!

If you go to Moab, be sure to head out to Dead Horse Point. Just before the entrance station for the state park, a road takes off to the left and drops down to the Green River near Moab. It's an easy 4x4 trip, is a wide self road most of the way down to the bottom, and something you will not soon forget! Here is a link you will want to see... Long Canyon Road

While your in the Moab area, another easy scenic trip is in Canyonlands National Park. The specific trail I'm recommending has no official name that I'm aware of, but it starts near the Needles entrance to CNP at the campground if I remember correctly. The trail heads out to the confluence of the Green and Colorado rivers. After about a 4 or 5 mile 4x4 road, the confluence requires about 1/2 mile each way easy hike. If you go this time of year, It's going to be HOT! The rangers will direct you to the trail head.
07-16-2013 11:06 AM
Seginus We stayed off-park at Yellowstone in early June. Best campground was Upper Coffee Pot. Right on the river (literally 30 feet away) and in amongst the trees. Saw a lot of birds and there is an Osprey aerie on the other side of the river.

About 20 miles south of the West entrance but well worth the drive in.

Facility Details - UPPER COFFEE POT, ID - Recreation.gov
07-16-2013 06:07 AM
Dollar I'll add my .02 for Colorado as well. Durango is 3 hours from Moab. Go to SKA Brewery (better than Moab brew, BTW). Head north from Durango on 550 for 1 hour and you're in Silverton. Then drive the Alpine Loop. You can camp at Grizzly Gulch (free) or American Basin (free) and go hike a 14er (Handies for example).

Drive Imogene Pass.

OK. I'll stop now.
07-16-2013 06:03 AM
Dollar Bah to all you saying its too hot. I go TO Moab to get away from the heat and humidity. LOL! With that said:

I've been every year for the past 4 years during July. I got back two weeks ago and am going back this week in our Grand Cherokee.

Hotel. I've had luck with the La Quinta in town. Always clean and friendly and no issues at all.

Camping. I'm guessing tent camping? BLM land along the CO river is first come first serve and can fill up. Sand Flats area has camp grounds and you're right there for Fins and Things and Hells Revenge. Horsethief Campground is BLM, 15 bucks a night and a few miles from Island in the Sky and I guarantee that it won't be full. They have over 50 sites. You'll have at least 40 to choose from. Or hit the Island visitor center, pay $30 for a backcountry permit, pick a site along the White Rim and knock out some great views, 4x4 roads and camping all in one shot.

Food. Moab Diner is good. So is Zax Pizza. Stay away from Eddie McStiffs and the seafood places. I tries Eddies twice and it sucked and this last time a local told me to stay away as well.

Hiking. Island in the Sky has plenty. As does Needles, but it's further south, so plan to do it on the way to or from Moab if you go that way. Arches NP has some hiking as well.

Mountain Biking. Bringing your own or renting? If renting, I recommend Chili Pepper bikes. As for trails, LOL! Moab is the Mecca of mtn biking so the possibilities are endless and depends on your level of skill.

If you have specific questions, ask away. There's a wealth of knowledge here and I'll help if I can. My travels there include off roading, mountain biking, hiking and rappelling.
07-16-2013 12:55 AM
jkmohican
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post

only good wolf is a dead wolf.
...as Liam would say.

Moab is awesome and great and everything but as others have said, this time of the year, it will be scorching and wouldn't be as enjoyable as if you were to go in early spring. That not to say that it won't be a blast, just won't be as good as it could. Yellowstone is my vote, but if you were seeking off road adventures (serous ones), Colorado is the place to be. My dream trip that I promised my self I would take before I get a girlfriend is a cross country trip from Michigan to Moab, and stop in Colorado for a couple days, and stay in Moab for a week, and go back to Colorado again. It would be a 2-3 week trip, and a trip I think every Jeeper (who lives in the lower 48 )should take. Good luck with your decision and have fun! And remember, pictures!
07-16-2013 12:21 AM
jadmt
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The Chief Joe is amazing as well. I was gonna post some of my pics from last year and a pdf of my area map, but Im too lazy tonight. The Griz are thick as flies this year, theres usually 5-6 yearly in the Red Lodge area, this year they've counted more than 30....but the wolves are getting to be a bigger problem in the area. Last year we had a pack of about 12 around our camp...a little unnerving in the back country.
only good wolf is a dead wolf.
07-16-2013 12:19 AM
LVCapo
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
Both Beartooth and Chief Joseph are truely must do especially on a motorcycle. I hit them every year either coming or going to Sturgis. Never get tired of them. I usually recommend carrying a large bag of bacon grease with you when hiking so you will get a good photo op with the bears...
The Chief Joe is amazing as well. I was gonna post some of my pics from last year and a pdf of my area map, but Im too lazy tonight. The Griz are thick as flies this year, theres usually 5-6 yearly in the Red Lodge area, this year they've counted more than 30....but the wolves are getting to be a bigger problem in the area. Last year we had a pack of about 12 around our camp...a little unnerving in the back country.
07-16-2013 12:10 AM
The General
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

You don't have a spare for the trailer or the Jeep? If the trailer, get a can of fixaflat and a puncture kit. Should cost you no more than 20 bucks. I cannot stress water enough. You need 2 gallons per person per day AT LEAST, which means you need to have 3 gallons per person. also, have extra gas, at least 4 gallons (I prefer 8 or 10.) Get a box of high calorie candy bars/protein bars. Have a tarp and 550lb paracord (100ft.) Have a 10 pack of emergency blankets. Have a first aid kit, if traveling with a female, female products. Have a bottle of peroxide. Have a bottle of bleach or water purification tablets. If you can spare the money, buy a steri-pen, an invaluable item I think any traveling jeeper MUST have. Have a fire extinguisher. Top off your washer fluid. Make sure you have an air compressor, you WILL need to air down or you'll lose all your teeth. Have a cooler with ice, and buy blocked ice, not cubed ice. Also, buy a pack of bungie cords to tie all your luggage down. On those trails, everything will bounce around. Any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'm heading out to Ouray CO thursday night! Im putting 15000 miles on my JK this year JUST on adventures alone, but it's what the Jeep was made for.

BTW, I don't mean to dent your vacation plans, but IF you are in a time crunch, I would advise you to go to the San Juan mountains in colorado instead of yellowstone. Yellowstone is pretty, but as far as jeeping goes, Colorado, especially that part, is unbeatable.
Ya no spare for the trailer. I just finished it but need a few things for completing it...like a spare. Lol

I sincerely appreciate the advice as I haven't done a trip like this before. I'm an avid adventure racer so I'm familiar with wilderness safety and survival but never in the desert. I've done jungle treks in Thailand but always with a guide.

Ill definately do some research on the San Juan mnts. The trip is as much for hiking and mnt biking as it is for jeeping. Just need to find a balance within the time I'm away.
07-16-2013 12:06 AM
jadmt
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Yellowstone is awesome. The Lamar Valley and NE section is relatively tourist free, which is crazy because thats where a majority of the wild life is. Outside the NE Gate, past Cooke City is Beartooth Pass....IMO the most beautiful road in America. There are literally hundreds of glacial lakes full of trout, numerous hiking and biking trails, and a few nice offroad trails. I've spent years in the area (my family lives in (Red Lodge), and will be there in three weeks fishing a few lakes near Top Of The World, Mt.
If you check out the area, make sure you have a few people, make lots of noise, and carry bear spray......LOTS of grizzlies in the area.
Both Beartooth and Chief Joseph are truely must do especially on a motorcycle. I hit them every year either coming or going to Sturgis. Never get tired of them. I usually recommend carrying a large bag of bacon grease with you when hiking so you will get a good photo op with the bears...
07-16-2013 12:03 AM
The General
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 View Post
I've been to Yellowstone the last 3 summers. Best Natl Park in lower 48. Glacier is good to hike across. Moab, this time of year, will be as hot as the sun. From Yellowstone go thru Flaming Gorge, shoot down Colorado 139 then 550 (million dollar hwy), do the trails near Ouray and Silverton, cut across to Moab (if you must) via Durango. Moab is better in April or October.
Thanks. I appreciate the route recommendations bud. I realize that it's better when it's not so hot but I have 25 days off and want to go so ill have to deal with the heat.
07-15-2013 11:58 PM
LVCapo Yellowstone is awesome. The Lamar Valley and NE section is relatively tourist free, which is crazy because thats where a majority of the wild life is. Outside the NE Gate, past Cooke City is Beartooth Pass....IMO the most beautiful road in America. There are literally hundreds of glacial lakes full of trout, numerous hiking and biking trails, and a few nice offroad trails. I've spent years in the area (my family lives in (Red Lodge), and will be there in three weeks fishing a few lakes near Top Of The World, Mt.
If you check out the area, make sure you have a few people, make lots of noise, and carry bear spray......LOTS of grizzlies in the area.
07-15-2013 11:48 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 View Post
I've been to Yellowstone the last 3 summers. Best Natl Park in lower 48. Glacier is good to hike across. Moab, this time of year, will be as hot as the sun. From Yellowstone go thru Flaming Gorge, shoot down Colorado 139 then 550 (million dollar hwy), do the trails near Ouray and Silverton, cut across to Moab (if you must) via Durango. Moab is better in April or October.
Funny how if a person lives close to a park it is no big deal as I am spoiled. I have been to YS no less then 20X's over the years as it is close by as is GNP. I will take Glacier any day but to enjoy Glacier you need to hike so by car YS is better but this time of year it is insane with tourists. I agree on Ouray, Silverton and Durango. I used to do Moab every year in March on the mountain bike and it is a great time to be there but I found it nicer the end of June as nobody was out on the trails.
07-15-2013 11:47 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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I just got back the end of June and it was awesom buy the book by Wells as was mentioned. I will say his trail rating is conservative. His easy rated trails are more then doable in a vw passat and his medium trails that I went on were pretty easy. Next time I go back I will explore some of the more difficult trails. I went solo and had no issues. It did get over 100* but no big deal as it is a dry heat lol. It cooled down fine at night and we camped and there is lots of free camping in the area.
What ever you do and I mean what ever you do go to the Moab brewery and have some of the over the top hefi beer. Perhaps the finest in existence.
Some are conservative, but it depends on conditions. Hurrah pass went from "passat easy" to 6" lifted truck on 35s getting swallowed by runoff. Also, a lot of trails are super easy (or easy) with one difficult obstacle (ie top of the world.) Some are difficult due to terrain (ie la sal pass.) Those rocks are small, but will easily shred a tire. The book should be treated as a guide (like GPS systems.) It is NOT a replacement for your brain. I would have been in very serious trouble (almost was) on La Sal pass because the book rated it moderate but I didn't account for conditions.
07-15-2013 11:42 PM
jadmt I just got back the end of June and it was awesom buy the book by Wells as was mentioned. I will say his trail rating is conservative. His easy rated trails are more then doable in a vw passat and his medium trails that I went on were pretty easy. Next time I go back I will explore some of the more difficult trails. I went solo and had no issues. It did get over 100* but no big deal as it is a dry heat lol. It cooled down fine at night and we camped and there is lots of free camping in the area.
What ever you do and I mean what ever you do go to the Moab brewery and have some of the over the top hefi beer. Perhaps the finest in existence.
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